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lets amend the scriptures

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by daniel2macarius, Aug 1, 2007.

  1. daniel2macarius

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    While meditating on the fact that there are many different interpretations of the scriptures resulting in an immense variety of denominations I thought to myself, “How can all these be inspired by the Holy Spirit if they either conflict with the Word of God or each other?” I concluded that obviously some are in error in at least some areas, however when they are shown the scriptures that prove that error I have found the majority explain the discrepancy away. As we all know, all Christians should base their understanding in line with EVERY WORD of God, so I decided rather than debate I might amend some of the scriptures to conform to man’s claims to see what reaction I would get. Please know that this is not intended to disrespect the Word of God, but rather draw attention to our disregarding of it. The following are some examples of those amendments; As Christians are called the Body of Christ in the scriptures yet today’s version of the faith varies dramatically with the original Church, I though that perhaps the following amendment might be appropriate. “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” Hebrews 13:8 Amend to “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, but may change sometime in the future.” Then I thought that some might argue the Holy Spirit has guided them in what they believe so to remedy this problem I propose the following alteration to the Word of God. “For I am the LORD, I change not…” Hebrews 3:6 Amend to “For I am the LORD, I change not unless I decide to later.” In reference to all the denominations today, all claiming their interpretations of the scriptures are the correct ones, regardless of how the Holy Spirit inspired the apostles to order the early Church, I though the next change might be suitable. “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:” Matthew 12:25 Amend to “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself serves me well; and every city or house divided against itself shall be blessed:” I then thought that we should consider what the scriptures say concerning those that left the original Church to follow their own interpretations so I propose the following alteration that those that have left the faith as it was in the beginning can be appeased. “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:18-19 Amend to “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that Holy men shall come, even now are there many Holy men; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they are Holy men.” These then gather to themselves new followings in the name of Jesus Christ so we must amend what the Word says in regards to these gatherings. This amendent I found especially hypocritical and lacks any common sense, but it does seem to apply to any who gather to something other than the original faith. “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.” 12:30 Amend to “He that is with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me gathers to me.” Of cause, we must consider whether the Lord has given His disciples the authority to make changes to the faith and practices He ordained in the Churches through His apostles. “The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.” Matthew 10:24 Amend to “The disciple is above his master, as the servant is above his lord.” Then there are some of the instructions given us through the Word that these claim we do not have to abide in, so we would also have to amend them. The following are two examples; “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” Mark 16:16 Amend to “He that believeth and is baptized, but only if they really, really want too shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” 1 Corinthians 14:34 Amend to “Let your women speak in the churches: for it is permitted unto them to speak; as they are not commanded to be under obedience, as saith the law.” Those who disagree with the original faith will no doubt claim that it is they that are inspired by the Holy Spirit, so it would also be necessary to change the following, “And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,” Acts 8:18 Amend to “And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given in this particular case, he offered them money,” To any that find my changing the scriptures to be offensive or inappropriate I can only say that you are correct, it is both offensive and inappropriate, but no more than changing the faith that is based on them. So which should it be, do we allow the Lord to conform our mind to His Word or should the Lord allow us to conform His Word to our mind? Blessings to all in the name of Jesus Christ daniel2macariuswww.ourchurch.com/member/t/Truth4Today/
     
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    Very thought provoking post
     
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    Yes indeed, it is very thought provoking post, but hey, it proves a point about denominations...everybody (who, not knowing God and Jesus) thinks their interpretations are correct...In reality, there is only one true interpretations...and that is the truth of God. So I rather have the mind of Christ rather than the mind of mankind...Lovest ye in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Dear super, Yes i would agree that there are many different interpretations of the scriptures and that not all are correct and there has been many false doctrines formed by false interpetation of scripture that is why we must teach as did the Apostles that also means to have the same interpretation as they did and a good way to find how the Apostles interpreted scripture is to read writings of those taught directly by Apostles and entrusted to shepard the flock after there departureGod Blessdaniel2macarius ps have got examples if interested
     
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    I was thinking... here we were condensing thousands of years of Christian historyinto a single page and single thoughts so complicated that something as simpleand petite as John 3:16 becomes totally irrelevant.
    Were you being facetious? If not I don't understand at all. Please expound as I am having a real hard time with that last one.
     
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    The post does make one think but what I thought of was kinda strange even for me.I was thinking... here we were condensing thousands of years of Christian historyinto a single page and single thoughts so complicated that something as simpleand petite as John 3:16 becomes totally irrelevant.
    yes can you please explain your meaning a little more for us we are interestedGod Blessdaniel2macarius
     
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    Wow, this is the first post I read since joining these boards. I know I'm home [​IMG]
     
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    Ok but I warn you I cannot express myself very well and I was not being facetious or mean spirited. I was actually thinking how John 3:16 makes everything Christian so simple... yet we or I was sitting here contemplating scripture on a scale that the average person never will. Thankyou for clarifying thatI have to have things simple... call me simple minded if you will but I have always accepted John 3:16 exactly as it is written and no matter what religion one may claim there is nothing else required other than what is written there. If you mean that all we have to do is believe in Jesus Christ to be saved they i would have to respectfully disagree for we are to take the biblr as a whole and not a scripture here and there so to show what i am saying i will post a few scriptures below that speak of salvation “He who believes and is baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16)“Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?” (Romans 6:3,4)“Now if we died with Christ, we believe we shall also live with Him” (Romans 6: 8)------------------------------------------------------------------------6:50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.6:52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?6:53 Then Jesus said to them, Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.6:54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.6:55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.6:56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.(John 6:50-56) 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? (1 Corinthians 10:16)these verses to start with and if you Except exactly how they are written you will believe the truth and not some modern day interpretation,lets get back to what the Apostles taught I have alway used that passage as a instrument of measurement in my studies. When I leave those bounds I have to turn around and start back. mayby we sometimes have to what Sual of Tarsus did to become the Apostle Paul turn and believe the truthI hope I have not made a mess of expressing myself. God Bless
    you did indeed and again thanksGod Blessdaniel2macariuswww.ourchurch.com/member/e/earlychurch/
     
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    Who in their right mind... You already have walked away. You have already denied him and his teaching in John 3:16. You have denied that which is stated in John 3:16.Your claim that understanding is all that is required not belief.
    If you remember correctly i have said that faith is the first step to salvation, so i am not sure where you have got the idear that i am saying we do not need belief or faith to be saved,and by me saying that the bible teaches that baptism is also needed for salvation is in no way denieing John 3:16 in fact it supports it as no one will get baptized unless they had faith. And i never claimed that understanding is all that is required, what i said was if someone did understand the wonderfull thing Jesus Christ has done for us they would be out of there mind to walk away from Him.
    Moreover it looks like you want everyone to join you in your understandings of the scripture without the need to believe. On that you will be alone.
    This is a false accusation, as i have never asked anyone to join with me and my understanding, what i have said is we should all believe the same as did the Apostles and on this i am not alone, I really do not know where you get the idear that i teach there is no need for faith.
    Understanding is futile without belief.
    This i can agree withMay i ask, do you hold to the scripture only theology and the faith only theology.May God Bless Youps let's be friends
     
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