THE GOSPEL

[RenewedStrength316]

He purposed it but hid it til Paul

Doug, you just said “He purposed it but hid it til Paul.”

But Ephesians 1:4 doesn’t say God just purposed it—it says:

> “He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world.”



Chosen. Not concealed. Not hinted at. Chosen. In Him.

And verse 5 says:

> “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself.”



So let me ask you plainly:

If the adoption was predestined,
If the choosing was before time,
If the plan was laid in Christ before Paul ever drew breath…

How can you claim this salvation wasn’t revealed in Scripture until Paul?

Paul himself denies that idea:

> “But now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets… made known to all nations.” — Romans 16:26



That’s Paul talking, Doug. And he says the mystery is now revealed—not just by him—but by the Scriptures of the prophets.

So which is it?

Either Paul is telling the truth… Or your dispensational timeline is a lie.

You can’t hold to before the foundation of the world
and teach that the cross was hidden until Acts 9.

That’s not just a contradiction—it’s a betrayal of the cross.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Peter in referring back to when the Gentiles believed in Acts 10:45 said they all had faith and these Gentiles will be saved even as Israel by grace.....this doesnt mean they believed Paul's gospel of grace.....they all received grace by believing on the name of Christ.........[Act 10:43 KJV] 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins........grace is all thru scripture

Doug, read your own words.

> “They all received grace by believing on the name of Christ…”



Exactly. And Peter says “we [Jews] shall be saved even as they [Gentiles]”—not the other way around.

That flips your system on its head.

Peter didn’t say “they’ll be saved like us.”
He said we’ll be saved like them—through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
No mention of covenants. No distinction. No dispensational delay.

And you want to quote Acts 10:43?

> “To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.”



Great—because that proves the gospel wasn’t hidden.

“All the prophets.”
That includes Isaiah. That includes David. That includes Moses.

So again I ask:

If the prophets already witnessed to this grace...
If Peter says we’re saved just like the Gentiles...
And if remission of sins comes through His name—not through Paul’s pen...

Then what exactly are you defending?

You’ve created a system where grace needs permission to reach the nations.
But grace doesn’t ask for permission.
It bled through nails. It broke the veil. It tore your walls down.

 

[Doug]

@Doug = How many gospels are spoken of here in John 1:10-13

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

One gospel
Jesus and the twelve were to preach to Israel to believe on him for eternal life, to believe he was their Messiah, the Son of God

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Peter was referring to Acts 10 where in verse 45 the Gentiles believed his preaching and received the Spirit and were placed in the believing remnant
This is not saying there was no Jew or Gentile in the body

Doug, stop dodging what the text plainly says.

> “God made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.” — Acts 15:9



Peter didn’t say:
“They became part of Israel’s remnant.”
He said: “No distinction.”

That’s not a remnant clause—that’s a gospel declaration.

No distinction in heart purification.
No distinction in faith.
No distinction in salvation.

And if there's no distinction—
then your theology collapses, because your whole system is built on maintaining a division God already destroyed.

> “For He Himself is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us.” — Ephesians 2:14



You keep trying to resurrect a wall God shattered.
You keep reaching for a veil God tore in two.
You keep dividing what the cross already unified.

So ask yourself, Doug:

If God makes no distinction... why do you?
Because if your doctrine keeps separating what Christ has joined—
then it’s not rightly dividing.
It’s violently dismembering the body of Christ.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Ephesians 4:5-6 doesnt say one gospel

Doug, you're right—Ephesians 4:5–6 doesn’t say “one gospel.”

But it doesn’t need to.

It says:

> "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all,
who is above all, and through all, and in you all."



If there's only one faith—
Then there can’t be two gospels.

Because a different gospel creates a different faith.

Paul didn’t write, “multiple baptisms, different faiths, many lords.”
He wrote ONE.

So let’s walk this out:

If there's one Lord, then His body isn’t divided.

If there's one faith, then there's one gospel that births it.

If there's one baptism, then there's one Spirit who unites every believer—Jew or Gentile—into Christ.


And here's Paul—your own dispensational pillar—driving it home:

> “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles...”
— 1 Corinthians 12:13



No separate program.
No backup gospel.
No remnant-only plan.

One Spirit. One Body. One Gospel.

So either believe Paul fully— or admit you’re building a gospel he never preached.

 

[David in NJ]

One gospel
Jesus and the twelve were to preach to Israel to believe on him for eternal life, to believe he was their Messiah, the Son of God

To Israel only???

Does John 1:10-13 exclude gentiles???

 

[Doug]

> “And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.” — Galatians 6:16



Who is Paul talking to? Gentile believers. He just called them the Israel of God—those in Christ Jesus, not in Abraham’s DNA.

The Israel of God is not the body of Christ it is believing Israel of faith

 

[Doug]

If you’re not spiritual Israel,
you’re not saved.

The body of Christ is never said to be spiritual Israel.....this is error which is commonly expressed.....I can see why people think it but iits wrong

 

[RenewedStrength316]

MYSTERIES

1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. Paul is a minister of Christ and steward, or manager, of the mysteries. Paul states there are multiple mysteries. Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ...

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Doug, I went back and read your own post from May 2025—“MYSTERIES.”
And it’s clear: either you don’t remember what you wrote… or you’re hoping we don’t.

Let’s break this down publicly, plainly, and biblically:

You said:

> “The mystery reveals that there is now neither Jew nor Gentile, all are one in Christ (Galatians 3:28).”



But now you say:

> “Galatians doesn’t apply to the remnant.”
“There is no spiritual Israel.”
“The remnant is still just Israel.”



So which is it?
Are we one in Christ—or still divided by dispensational timelines?
You can’t affirm unity in May and deny it in June.


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You said:

> “The mystery reveals all that Christ accomplished by His cross.”
(Col. 4:3, 1 Cor. 1:18)



But now you claim:

> “Hebrews 2:9 doesn’t say what the cross accomplished.”
“Isaiah 53 only refers to Israel.”
“The prophets didn’t know about the cross’s full effect.”



You wrote that the mystery reveals the cross’s full power—but now you strip it down to “partial atonement,” limited to ethnic Israel, until Paul gets involved?

That’s not a mystery revealed—that’s the gospel disfigured.


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You said:

> “The mystery reveals the Gentiles are fellowheirs in the body of Christ.”
(Eph. 3:6, Gal. 3:29)



But now you say:

> “The Gentiles were grafted into the remnant of Israel.”
“Paul preached a different gospel.”
“The gospel of the kingdom isn’t the same as the gospel of grace.”



So why did Paul say he preached “nothing except what the prophets and Moses said would happen” (Acts 26:22–23)?

You can't claim Gentiles are fellowheirs in May… and now claim they're second-tier citizens until some delayed revelation.


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You said:

> “The mystery of the faith is salvation by grace through faith in Christ.”
“Salvation is apart from Israel, apart from covenants.”



But in the forums, you keep saying:

> “The Gentiles in Acts 10 were saved through the remnant.”
“They were brought into Israel’s blessings.”
“They didn’t hear Paul’s gospel.”



You can’t say salvation is apart from Israel and then spend two weeks arguing that everything hinges on Israel’s remnant.

That’s called contradiction.
And Scripture doesn’t contradict—it confronts.


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Doug, the mystery hasn’t changed. You have.

Your May post actually tells the truth:

One body.

One gospel.

One cross.

One Christ.


But now you’ve divided the message. Split the church. Gutted the unity of the faith with a scalpel of dispensationalism.

You wrote it yourself:

> “The mystery is the church revealing the wisdom of God.”



So why do you now defend a theology that hides, separates, and distorts that wisdom?

You’re not defending Paul. You’re chaining him to a system he never built.


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No more hiding. No more spinning. You wrote your confession in May.

And now the forum sees the fracture.

Repent of the divisions. Return to the fullness of Christ.
The mystery has been revealed. And it doesn’t bow to your timeline.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

ARE YOU CALLED?

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Paul was called or appointed by God to be the Apostle to the Gentiles and reveal the mystery of Christ (2 Timothy 1:11 Ephesians 3:4). The mystery was not made known before it was revealed to...

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Doug, you say:

> “Kingdom believers are those who are in Christ by faith.”



But then you divide them into “kingdom believers” (earth) and “grace believers” (heaven), as if Christ has two bodies, two brides, two hopes. That’s not Scripture—that’s system-building.


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CONTRADICTION 1: Paul’s Gospel Divided Against Itself

> “Kingdom believers... are in Christ by faith.”
“Grace believers... are in Christ by faith.”



So which is it, Doug? Are there two kinds of people “in Christ”?
Paul says no:

> “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles…”
—1 Corinthians 12:13



You can't claim "kingdom believers" are in Christ without admitting they are in the same body—because there's only one body (Ephesians 4:4).


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CONTRADICTION 2: The Called Are One, Not Two

You quote:

> “Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?” — Romans 9:24



Then you say:

> “The believing remnant of Israel is not Jews only, but Gentiles also…”



Doug, where in Romans 9–11 does it say those Gentiles became part of ethnic Israel? It doesn’t. Paul says:

> “There is no difference… the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.” — Romans 10:12



You’re twisting Paul’s point. He wasn’t merging Gentiles into a Jewish remnant—he was revealing that both are made one new man in Christ (Ephesians 2:15). No more walls. No more remnants. One body. One gospel.


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CONTRADICTION 3: Two Gospels? Then Why One Calling?

You try to wedge a split into the church by saying:

> “Saints... can be kingdom believers... or grace believers.”



But Paul declares:

> “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling…”
—Ephesians 4:4



ONE hope. Not two.
ONE calling. Not two.
ONE gospel. Not two.
There is no separate gospel for Jews and Gentiles anymore—just the gospel of Jesus Christ, revealed by the prophets, fulfilled by Christ, proclaimed by Paul.


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FINAL VERDICT: YOU’RE TEACHING ANOTHER GOSPEL

Doug, your post shows that you've:

Split the church into two hopes and two callings

Rejected the “one body” in favor of a man-made system

Contradicted Romans, Ephesians, and Galatians

And confused the simplicity of the gospel with dispensational scaffolding


> “There is neither Jew nor Greek… for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
—Galatians 3:28



You keep building fig-leaf doctrines to avoid the truth:
Christ came to save sinners—Jew and Gentile—by grace, through faith, into one body.

You’ve been shown the truth, Doug. Now the choice is yours:
Repent of your false divisions—or be exposed as a false teacher who refuses the unity of the cross.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

The body of Christ is never said to be spiritual Israel.....this is error which is commonly expressed.....I can see why people think it but iits wrong

Doug,

You say the body of Christ is never called “spiritual Israel.” That’s your defense?

Then answer this:

> “For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel... That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
—Romans 9:6,8



Paul draws a line in blood here. The true Israel isn’t ethnic—it’s spiritual, born of the promise, children of God.

And if you still think this excludes Gentiles, then read this:

> “If ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
—Galatians 3:29



You said we’re not spiritual Israel? Paul says we are the seed of Abraham—not genetically, but spiritually, by faith in Christ.

You cannot have the gospel of grace without the seed of Abraham, the children of promise, the grafted-in branches, and the new creation. That’s spiritual Israel—not ethnic, not national, but heaven-born.

> “And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”
—Galatians 6:16



The “Israel of God” are those who walk according to the rule of the new creation (Gal. 6:15), not according to the flesh, law, or earthly lineage.

So let’s be plain:

If you’re not part of spiritual Israel—
If you’re not a child of promise—
If you’re not Abraham’s seed by faith—
You’re not saved.

Because the gospel doesn’t create two peoples of God. It makes one new man (Eph. 2:15), one body (Eph. 4:4), and one holy nation (1 Peter 2:9).

Doug, your system divides what the cross unites.

But I’m not here for systems—I’m here for truth.
And the truth is this: God has only ever saved one kind of person—those who believe. And that people is spiritual Israel, the church, the body, the bride.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

The Israel of God is not the body of Christ it is believing Israel of faith

Doug, you're slicing Galatians 6:16 in half to protect your system. But Paul isn’t writing Galatians to unbelieving Jews or some national remnant—he’s writing to Gentile believers who were being tempted to return to law and circumcision.

> “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.” — Galatians 6:15



Then what does he say?

> “And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.” — Galatians 6:16



Who are “them”? Those who walk by the rule of the new creation, not the Law. That’s the Church—Jews and Gentiles made one in Christ (Eph. 2:14–16). Paul calls this united body the Israel of God—not according to the flesh, but according to faith (Gal. 3:7,29).

You say it’s only "believing Israel"? Then why is Paul writing to Gentiles in Galatia, rebuking Judaizers, and pointing them to their identity in Christ—not Moses? He’s not dividing the body—he’s proclaiming the true, spiritual Israel of God: those who are in Christ.

If the Church is not the Israel of God, then:

Who are the children of promise in Galatians 4?

Who are the heirs of Abraham’s seed in Galatians 3:29?

Why does Paul say we are the circumcision in Philippians 3:3?

Why are Gentiles called a holy nation and a royal priesthood in 1 Peter 2:9—titles once reserved for Israel?


You can't build walls where Christ tore them down. The blood of Jesus redefined the people of God—not by birth, but by new birth.

So here’s the final word:

If you’re not part of the Israel of God—you’re not in Christ.

Because there’s no salvation outside of Him, and there’s no “people of God” apart from the cross that made one new man.

> “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29



That’s the Israel of God.

And that’s the Church.

 

[Doug]

Because it was not necessary for the Holy Spirit to state that as it is a 'GIVEN'

why state the others?

 

[David in NJ]

why state the others?

Because of the DYNAMIC of Relationship between Jew & Gentile in the Gospel

 

[Doug]

Doug, you're right—Ephesians 4:5–6 doesn’t say “one gospel.”

But it doesn’t need to.

It says:

> "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all,
who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Then why state the others why are they needed

 

[Doug]

If there's only one faith—
Then there can’t be two gospels.

There can be one faith and that in Christ and more than one gospel
Why is more than one gospel so threatening

 

[Doug]

To Israel only???

Does John 1:10-13 exclude gentiles???

It says he came unto his own
Jesus didnt tell the disciples to go to the nations until his resurrection and they abdicated this in Galatians 2:9

 

[David in NJ]

It says he came unto his own
Jesus didnt tell the disciples to go to the nations until his resurrection and they abdicated this in Galatians 2:9

He came to His own ONLY???

Look again

10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God,
to those who believe in His name:
13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

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[Behold]

12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God,
to those who believe in His name:

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Absolutely.

Paul tells us in Acts 28:28, that He is taking the Gospel to the GENTILES.....because "they will hear it'..

IN Fact Paul said that GOD's SALVATION>........is sent to the GENTILES"... "in the Time of the Gentiles'".

The Cross of Christ is the UNIVERSAL OFFER of Salvation........to "all who will believer" or "whosoever"... John 3:16

 

[Doug]

He came to His own ONLY???

Look again

10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God,
to those who believe in His name:
13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

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as many as received him was Israel