Let's Talk About Socialism and Marxism
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Mosheli
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I just meant that because I have long been stuck alone in a hell on earth situation and in recent weeks I have come realize that I have no other choice or hope but having to have faith (with works/confession) in God & Jesus & Cross. I have no other real choice or option because I am trapped by external and internal present and past wrongs, and this world (humans and devils) is not ever going to stop doing mean cruel hell wrongs to me (including fluoridation, housing crisis, refusing to stop the constant ringing sound in my flat, etc). So I am in essence forced to choose to have faith in Jesus that he will save me from this hell because I can not bear it all day every day for upto another 80 (or 102 yrs since they now say humans can live to a 150 not 120). Some people can choose what they believe but some can't choose; some people don't need to have extra faith because they aren't sick or suffering other things that need an answer from God.
Ziggy
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Jhn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Some people feel forced because they fear the "punishment" of not believing, and feel compelled to or face damnation.
That's a kind of self-inflicting punishment, in my opinion. Always living in fear to do the right thing.
Other's feel forced because of family or peers. They feel bullied into believing.
I was just wandering how you meant it.
The world is a tough place to live, that's for sure.
And all these "external" challenges can leave a heavy impression on one's soul.
A lot of people feel "trapped" and don't make the same choice.
I grew up in a city with fluoridated water. Meant to dumb you and slow you down.
Housing crisis created to make you feel abandoned and alone.
What's ringing in your flat? Can anything mask it, like background music?
Or is the ringing in your mind?
My mother-in-law swears she hears music coming from another apartment somewhere.
She has asked her neighbors, and they don't hear a thing.
She thinks she's going crazy. She is almost 86.
Now she has a metal hip, a metal femur, and two new shiny metal knees.
I told her, with all that reception power, she should be able to choose whatever channel to listen to..
I don't know what she hears. But she says it sounds like orchestra... and I don't doubt her.
The Lord knows she loves music. And since she lost her sight, maybe this is a way he sends comfort to her.
But ringing... where is it coming from? pipes, air ducts, walls, floors?
frustrating no doubt.
I don't feel "forced" to have faith. I do feel it is the only choice that holds truth and peace.
I wouldn't trade it for the world...
Hugs
and Thank You
Mosheli
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Jhn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Some people feel forced because they fear the "punishment" of not believing, and feel compelled to or face damnation.
That's a kind of self-inflicting punishment, in my opinion. Always living in fear to do the right thing.
Other's feel forced because of family or peers. They feel bullied into believing.
I was just wandering how you meant it.
The world is a tough place to live, that's for sure.
And all these "external" challenges can leave a heavy impression on one's soul.
A lot of people feel "trapped" and don't make the same choice.
I grew up in a city with fluoridated water. Meant to dumb you and slow you down.
Housing crisis created to make you feel abandoned and alone.
What's ringing in your flat? Can anything mask it, like background music?
Or is the ringing in your mind?
My mother-in-law swears she hears music coming from another apartment somewhere.
She has asked her neighbors, and they don't hear a thing.
She thinks she's going crazy. She is almost 86.
Now she has a metal hip, a metal femur, and two new shiny metal knees.
I told her, with all that reception power, she should be able to choose whatever channel to listen to..
I don't know what she hears. But she says it sounds like orchestra... and I don't doubt her.
The Lord knows she loves music. And since she lost her sight, maybe this is a way he sends comfort to her.
But ringing... where is it coming from? pipes, air ducts, walls, floors?
frustrating no doubt.
I don't feel "forced" to have faith. I do feel it is the only choice that holds truth and peace.
I wouldn't trade it for the world...
Hugs
and Thank You
You are right it should not be about force or fear but about love and grace and faith, and it is the only best way, and I am "trying" to have faith in him and his grace/mercy/love (Cross) but it is not easy with long ongoing constant daily mean cruel hell wrongs and no positives and I can't help feeling forced by the suffering. (I don't just mean choosing faith in him and his way, I mean more than that, extra faith that he will fix some of the worst hell wrongs.)
The ringing sound is definitely not in my ears or head but it is low and hard to prove to local deniers/doubters because some people can't hear it only listening for a few seconds/minutes in day time. I'm sure it is either neighbours heat pump(s) or plumbing pressure leaking/running but it is hard to locate because attached and nearby neighbours been refusing to cooperate, and the authorities noise rules only act if it is over a certain amount of decibels and are able to locate the source. Its been stopping me being able to do my studies for 4 years now. I can't play music all the time and when studying. So I finally realized they are never going to stop it and the other things and so my only option is faith in Jesus that he will fix things (because if I have faith then God can't allow such mean cruel injustice and Jesus didn't suffer for no reason, not that everything will be perfect though). (I hope I haven't said too much since God won't answer if I don't control my mouth words in faith.)
Anyway sorry for the off topic. I do think politics are somewhat important but in the end no political system outside of God/Jesus is going to fix all problems and I have to be careful not to get to immersed in my past political interests. So I'll keep hanging out my red cord each day (red like Rahab not red like socialists).
Lots of brotherly love.
Ziggy
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The Lord perhaps feels you are worthy to suffer.
It is your patience and tolerance that are being tried.
Not everything is a "curse" , sometimes the practice is hard, but the end result makes you stronger.
There are positives. You have to find them.
Your looking for lilies among thorns.
Perhaps there are fruits in you that need some ferterlizer.
How to stay calm in the middle of a storm:
Phl4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
And earplugs... it doesn't sound like the problem is going to end all to soon.
You have to find a way to turn it to a blessing.
I'm not sure how, but you could pray about it.
Somebody has the answer, and He would be my first guess.
no appologies needed..
I'm mainly here to give hugs
HUGS
Social ? both right and left are social. One can never get away from the social aspect of such anyway regardless.
The right has it's idiots just as the left has it's idiots, due to ignorance or free will on could say.
I know a far right idiot mate of mine and his position well, it's people like him who truly create the left, but old mate does not understand that he and his madness is the cause of empowering the left views and not to mention many of such far left are much the same as him, blood sucking morons who are all about themselves in fact, like some sort of brat that is socially irresponsible and not mature enough to be part of a healthy community. Jury duty anyone ! yes watch them avoid such especially the left who even get payed a full wage regardless if you are a employee. what about if the were called up for to fight in a war . no they are always looking out for number one, not me .
Oh social justice issues well well, the left are good at wanting others to pay for them, what if everyone was like them, their would be nothing their to give. squandering money who does that best is that the left anyone ?
Not all people who are to the right on issues are rich, in fact I know many who are working their arse off year after year for less that I know others who are bludging on the dole, when you work out their expenses to what they truly are left in their hand to live on. and sucker punched day after day.
As to the left when they run out of other peoples money bleeding them dry, what do they do ? well they are up the creek without a paddle, unless they can kick off a war and steal of them or any other underhanded way of gaining such. my right wing mate was a hopeless builder and he got by on taking advantage of the trades, he had no regard at all for them ever, he claimed that they were making huge money regardless. what total ignorance ! I said on one job I made $6 an hour over 2 weeks work and he flat denied that I did and set off in a total huff. he does not follow that incompetent builders like him cost us money. nor could they care less. and that's when people look for help for unions come in to it, not because they want such but because they desperately need help, because of people like my builder mate. that they could not give a rats for your safety concerns as well, so they then had to deal with work place health and safety. and I could go on and on. but such is the game play that one has to endure, everything is an up hill event.
So to in political stage their is warfare and delusions set by cunning devils on both sides that are truly causing all the troubles in fact.
The way Grasshopper is through the middle ?
The right has it's idiots just as the left has it's idiots, due to ignorance or free will on could say.
I know a far right idiot mate of mine and his position well, it's people like him who truly create the left, but old mate does not understand that he and his madness is the cause of empowering the left views and not to mention many of such far left are much the same as him, blood sucking morons who are all about themselves in fact, like some sort of brat that is socially irresponsible and not mature enough to be part of a healthy community. Jury duty anyone ! yes watch them avoid such
especially the left who even get payed a full wage regardless if you are a employee. what about if the were called up for to fight in a war . no they are always looking out for number one, not me . Oh social justice issues well well, the left are good at wanting others to pay for them, what if everyone was like them, their would be nothing their to give. squandering money who does that best is that the left anyone ?
Not all people who are to the right on issues are rich, in fact I know many who are working their arse off year after year for less that I know others who are bludging on the dole, when you work out their expenses to what they truly are left in their hand to live on. and sucker punched day after day.
As to the left when they run out of other peoples money bleeding them dry, what do they do ? well they are up the creek without a paddle, unless they can kick off a war and steal of them or any other underhanded way of gaining such. my right wing mate was a hopeless builder and he got by on taking advantage of the trades, he had no regard at all for them ever, he claimed that they were making huge money regardless
. what total ignorance ! I said on one job I made $6 an hour over 2 weeks work and he flat denied that I did and set off in a total huff. he does not follow that incompetent builders like him cost us money. nor could they care less. and that's when people look for help for unions come in to it, not because they want such but because they desperately need help, because of people like my builder mate. that they could not give a rats for your safety concerns as well, so they then had to deal with work place health and safety. and I could go on and on. but such is the game play that one has to endure, everything is an up hill event.So to in political stage their is warfare and delusions set by cunning devils on both sides that are truly causing all the troubles in fact.
The way Grasshopper is through the middle ?
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
(Margaret Tatcher)
Socialism works only in two places.
1.Heaven where they don't need it.
2.Hell where they already have it.
(Ronald Reagan)
(Margaret Tatcher)
Socialism works only in two places.
1.Heaven where they don't need it.
2.Hell where they already have it.
(Ronald Reagan)
Mosheli
Active Member
Its not "other peoples money". For example the rich/wealthy investment shareholders are parasites who steal the workers profits made by the workers. They brag that they "don't work (hard) but their money works for them", while everyone complains about beneficiaries/"bludgers"/"lazy beggars" and taxes and doesn't dare point out these parasites. The bankers steal in excessive interest rates.
People complain about taxes and don't care about line charges and user pays and excessively expensive market rents etc.
In short some people have too much coming in and too little going out, while others have too little coming in (low wages, etc) and too much going out (excessive rent, high interest, etc)
And not all people are bludgers. Mass unemployment was caused by globalist free trade policies. Housing crisis was caused by globalist immigration policies. Stop blaming the victims and see the real culprits. (Sure not all evil doers are rich, but the worst ones effecting the most people are rich or "elite".)
Money and material things is not everything, there are also other more important things.
The river is between the two banks, national and social.
People complain about taxes and don't care about line charges and user pays and excessively expensive market rents etc.
In short some people have too much coming in and too little going out, while others have too little coming in (low wages, etc) and too much going out (excessive rent, high interest, etc)
And not all people are bludgers. Mass unemployment was caused by globalist free trade policies. Housing crisis was caused by globalist immigration policies. Stop blaming the victims and see the real culprits. (Sure not all evil doers are rich, but the worst ones effecting the most people are rich or "elite".)
Money and material things is not everything, there are also other more important things.
The river is between the two banks, national and social.
Triumph1300
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It sure as heck is others people money.
Any time I see a socialist government taking power my income taxes increase.
Up to a point where I almost pay 50% of my income to these socialist coffers so they can throw more around to the lazy crowds.
Just yesterday I talked to a Chinese restaurant owner who cannot open the restaurant because the servers are still getting "covid money" from the government and refuse to come back to work. Prime example how socialist governments operate.
Not to mention all the other garbage such as paid abortions, sex change surgeries and all the rest of it.
You are correct such can be true and yes many suffer due to unemployment that was caused by such cunning devils who could not care at all about such as the plight of them.
I do not complain about people who have fallen on hard times who are victims, but I know of many people who are pro bludgers working or not. I have seen beggars who are doing better than the general population.
I have seen such people make $100 in a night easy begging or sponging off others not to mention all the smokes, in Australia just one smoke cost over $1 each believe it, we are taxed that much for smokes.
One could point to the great depression etc for the down fall due to stupidity and ignorance of the people, but they did not heed the warnings of people pointing out that where they were heading was that they would reap what they sowed. so the system crashed.
So to, the warnings have been for the crashes that came about and not to mention the big one that our whole financial system is founded on so much nonsense, from it's foundations that were created by the Nazis that we adopted, well it was the Zionist who created the system, sure it can work wonders but how much of it is all just hot air, not to mention they can pull the pin out at will and your $1 IOU is then worth who knows 50c, 25c or 5c thing is that we have no idea how much hot air is in the system and who owns what, like how much does Islam own ? now most people do not fathom any such a thing, as they could not care less about such regards, because ignorance is bliss. until the village idiot wakes up to that the Islamic world owns you.
In Australia Islam must own a hell of a lot of the banking system, for our Governments bend over backwards directly for the Islamic powers that be on so many subjects. not to mention some Christian from New Zealand came and called out to people in the Mosque truths about them and he was dealt with directly, police came and kicked him out of Australia directly and it was on TV and our MSM was so outraged at this Christian calling out the facts of the truth and this bloke hurt no one ! yet our Government aided so many Islamic morons that it's not funny, ones with a list as long as your arm and more ! of being a person who is not worthy to be here at all, yet the MSM hide it all ! one moron in Sydney who held people up as hostages, well if the public only knew of the list that they had on him being a moron, who should of been deported years ago, but for the power of Islamic Lawyers keeping him hear ? Such was our PM M Turnbull fault in fact, clearly because he did not do his duty to public safety in regards to such a idiot.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
What kind of government is Islam?
Islam is a religion.. an ideology?
Capitalism/Socialism/Communism/ ?
A lot of changes happened here in the States after 9/11.
Our "culture" was changing.
Certain areas started becoming "no go zones"
Like Dearborn, Michigan..
Christians were forced to leave certain areas exclusively for muslims.
Then there was the pray rugs in the schools when Christianity itself is not allowed in.
But then we had a Capital in Oregon or Alaska, it was being led by Satanist.
I mean nothing like flaunting it i n your face.
What would Islam look like as a government?
It's a good day to learn something new.
HUGS
Islam is a religion.. an ideology?
Capitalism/Socialism/Communism/ ?
A lot of changes happened here in the States after 9/11.
Our "culture" was changing.
Certain areas started becoming "no go zones"
Like Dearborn, Michigan..
Christians were forced to leave certain areas exclusively for muslims.
Then there was the pray rugs in the schools when Christianity itself is not allowed in.
But then we had a Capital in Oregon or Alaska, it was being led by Satanist.
I mean nothing like flaunting it i n your face.
What would Islam look like as a government?
It's a good day to learn something new.
HUGS
It looks like it does in such Lands, all is fine to me as I do not care what they do in their own Nations, I think that their laws suit their people, if they are happy with such so be it. I don't go and rant like they do over here in my Nation, as my position with them ranting and raving to change our laws here to suit them, is that they can go back to were they came from directly as soon as they start going down that line.What kind of government is Islam?
Islam is a religion.. an ideology?
Capitalism/Socialism/Communism/ ?
A lot of changes happened here in the States after 9/11.
Our "culture" was changing.
Certain areas started becoming "no go zones"
Like Dearborn, Michigan..
Christians were forced to leave certain areas exclusively for muslims.
Then there was the pray rugs in the schools when Christianity itself is not allowed in.
But then we had a Capital in Oregon or Alaska, it was being led by Satanist.
I mean nothing like flaunting it i n your face.
What would Islam look like as a government?
It's a good day to learn something new.
HUGS
But our Aussies nowadays are total morons falling over backwards for them, because the MSM peddles such nonsense views and the average Aussie just swallows it all, yet I have had Semitic people warn me of such as them directly, many a time not to trust such people, as they had to come here to get away from such Islamic ways. not to mention that such people have wanted to get on TV to warn Australians of the dangers, but our MSM has even kicked them away because they don't want that side of the story to get out.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Censorship is real.
We rely heavily on the tell-a-vision
Because that's what it does..
It tells us the vision it wants us to see.
The programming is us being programmed.
Nobody wants to be called a racist. And they use that agianst us to silence us.
They convince you that if you speak out against something wrong.. you are at fault.
People stop trying, just accept things as they are.. and realize in the end, they lost it all.
They have confused the language so badly, that the only witness we will be able to give, is with our lives.
We have to walk the walk and stop just talking the talk.
But who is still willing to listen?
It's easier to just go along with the narrative, then speak the truth.
It's going to get interesting no doubt.
Peace
Hugs
ScottA
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NayborBear
Active Member
I get where yer coming from Mosheli. It's the faith that was instilled into you before you were placed upon this (has become) turd rock from the sun.
Kinda reminds me of an old ELP (emerson, lake, & palmer) song. You were meant to be here....from the beginning.
Doesn't necessarily mean you, me, or anyone else that resembles these characteristics are any better than anyone else who doesn't. It does mean however, people like this are far less likely to become ensnared by, or enamored by traditions of men. More er less because of this born from above faith. In which everything that happens externally to, or around people like this causes or drives us back to this faith.....But, it's something even stronger than faith....isn't it?
Isn't it almost like somewheres, at some point in eternity, people like this were in some kind of conflict that was against God, and His creation. And, these people fought for God? And just didn't roll over, or "go ostrich?"
People like this are not easily fooled by "science so falsely called" either. Whether it be by government/s, or technology's, or money, or educational "systems", or "denominations of religions!"
Psalm 94:10
He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
Michael1985
Active Member
Socialism just isn't viable because the only motive that farmers and other food producers to grow beyond what they need to survive is doing things out of the goodness of their hearts.
It may be easier, but it is not necessary. The truth needs to be spoken regardless of how people respond.
Getting back to the title of this thread. Godless Marxism/Socialism/Liberalism/Progressivism are all the same and no different than Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism. They are all based upon a LIE. The lie is that the state knows better than free individuals as to what is best for them. That is in fact TOTALITARIANISM.
And now Totalitarianism has been firmly established in the Western world without a shot being fired. The Communist Party of China must be delighted. We are seeing the effects of Totalitarianism is the way in which these bogus COVID vaccines are being used to destroy lives.
Looks like Communism has entered the SBC. "Liberation theology" is simply Communism dressed up as theology.
A Southern Baptist Seminary Professor Promotes Liberation Theology?
The president of Southeastern, Daniel Akin, quickly reacted by claiming that Strickland was teaching Cone negatively. The seminary did not endorse “liberation theology.”
Since that time, a 38-page document outlining the positive teaching of CRT, liberation theology, and social justice surfaced, along with a video from 2016 in which Strickland unequivocally endorses liberation theology books from James Cone and J. Deotis Roberts in a positive manner. Though much of Strickland’s public work has been scrubbed from the Kingdom Diversity website at Southeastern since the controversy over Cone, the course catalogue still lists him as teaching “Liberation Theology” this fall.
A Southern Baptist Seminary Professor Promotes Liberation Theology? - Enemies Within: The Church
A Southern Baptist Seminary Professor Promotes Liberation Theology?
The president of Southeastern, Daniel Akin, quickly reacted by claiming that Strickland was teaching Cone negatively. The seminary did not endorse “liberation theology.”
Since that time, a 38-page document outlining the positive teaching of CRT, liberation theology, and social justice surfaced, along with a video from 2016 in which Strickland unequivocally endorses liberation theology books from James Cone and J. Deotis Roberts in a positive manner. Though much of Strickland’s public work has been scrubbed from the Kingdom Diversity website at Southeastern since the controversy over Cone, the course catalogue still lists him as teaching “Liberation Theology” this fall.
A Southern Baptist Seminary Professor Promotes Liberation Theology? - Enemies Within: The Church
NayborBear
Active Member
That has to be sarcasm right?
That's why there are so many "Mom n Pop" farmers, and small town bankers, and grocery stores around these days....Right?
This "one worldism" has been going on a lot longer then many people think. (lobster in the pot).
Only reason they've come out of hiding, so to speak, is because of people who speak Truth to forces!
That?, and because satan got the memo, that his time is short!
I met an Aboriginal person out of the blue down town about 2 years ago now I would think, he is as black as and we had a real good talk. he was walking across the street yelling out in anger as they do. so I went over to him as I was waiting for the shop to open and we got along just fine and I was just directly open with him and he respected that, there was not an issue that we did not agree on.
We will all have a difference of opinion on issues and their is nothing wrong with such at all, I embrace such as everyone has a right to their own opinions.
Fact is that all people are racist to some degree and all people are prejudice to some degree as it's in our DNA and if someone says that they are not, well that's a bold faced lie. When one truly understands Christianity one will understand the facts of Sin ? so one who claims not to be such is a shinning example of being under the delusion of Sin. so Boy do we need the Grace of God ! to deal with reality.
I said to him one maybe a racist but just how much of that is in fact just prejudice or is their spite added to such as well ? one could use a chart from 1 to 10 that defines such things one could say, now ignorance is always every were one bothers to look! so who promotes such ? is it that we want to do wrong to others ? No! well that's not it, so what is the key to the problems ? if someone wants to do ill to others well who the hell is that ! something is very wrong with such a one as that ?
But how should all such issues be dealt with ? well with common sense and the Grace of God, I am not offended in such a one just because I see the stain of original sin in them. I do not dictate to them that I will not tolerate them, even with ones best friends one may have some trait that is not too inspiring. so one could use a 1 to 10 definition as to any trait that may not float you boat in anyone or Town etc etc. I said up to 5 I can live with such but over that things starts to become pathetic, well I know that someone may be riled or had a bad day and they are letting off some steam, that's fine. that can be a good thing as it's a relief valve. because then now we know and may have a handle on the real crux of the problem.
We are not robots and nor should anyone try and make us into one. as that's what Socialism works to create robots out of people, simplistic morons with a plastic façade created by Anti-Christ. who are just poor people who are under delusions that create deceptions because they have to, due to they are lost and it's they who are the blind that's leading the blind off a cliff. They are barking up the wrong tree in fact and they think that they are bringing in the kingdom, without the Grace of God ? I have a scale for that as well and it's 10 Fail !
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