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Apocalypticist

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For the generation of the WWI and Great Depression era they will live the longest.

Those of you who are the children of those born in that era, or even shortly after during the World War II, you will have a lower life expectancy.

For us who are your children, we will live even less years than what you will.

Is it our fault that we share in the blame with? Yes. But it is also the world you handed to us.

1) We have had far more vaccinations than what the older generations ever received.

2) We live in an era where there are more superbugs than what the older generation ever experienced.

3) The suburbanization and desecration of the family means a lot of us grew up on things like McDonald's and Coke. MSG, high fructose corn syrup, aspartame, not to mention fluoride our loving government poisons our water with.

4) Heavy overprescription of pharmaceuticals. Our parents have let predators who are not our family poison us with ritalin, false diagnoses, and antipsychotics.

5) The fake war on drugs

6) 'Rehabilitiation' for pedophiles that judges raised in the sixties on weed and LSD thought would be good to release them out into society. Children in my generation have been snatched off playgrounds because of this insanity.

7) Extreme degree of pollutants in society released by unscrupulous profiteers

8) The governments which stir racial hatred and discord between groups in society to inspire violence in the cities

As time goes on, people will live for less and less years and die of more premature causes.

And we will never get to run things to fix it. If we did get a chance we might even make it worse but it's worth a try.

People like Robert Byrd, Lautenberg, Strom Thurmond, and even the younger ones like Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, and Reid are empowered with such a tremendous demonic power that they are preserved from aging so that they can continue to push legislation for the devil who I will not name, we should not even recognize the guy.

They will never let go of power.

Heck, we can not even get 60s and 70 year olds to retire to free up jobs in the economy. Many of them have lived in profligacy and are now clogging the arteries of the job market so many young folks are displaced. Middle aged people, our parents, think that we are the enemy here.

Are we the enemy, who have been raped, poisoned, tortured, indoctrinated, with abusive parents, sending us to sorcerors called doctors, and that have brought the gates of hell into the church itself so that even the old answer to it all.. God and faith, seem unbelievable to us?

Yet I believe God through it all.
 

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Of course, if you were born a hundred years ago, you would have had a 1 in 5 chance of dying as an infant or, if you lived long enough, a childhood illness. If you were strong enough to make it to adulthood, your teeth would finish you off at a young age, because modern dentistry was unknown.

Life in the wake of the Fall is not pretty for anyone.
 

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Apocalypticist said:
People like Robert Byrd, Lautenberg, Strom Thurmond, and even the younger ones like Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, and Reid are empowered with such a tremendous demonic power that they are preserved from aging so that they can continue to push legislation for the devil who I will not name, we should not even recognize the guy.
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Byrd and Thurman are dead. Plus, you will not name the devil because you cannot.
 

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Wow....that was an interesting rant. I wonder at the purpose of it, although I suppose I could say that it's about the evils of modern society. I have some strong objections to some of what you've stated.

Apocalypticist said:
4) Heavy overprescription of pharmaceuticals. Our parents have let predators who are not our family poison us with ritalin, false diagnoses, and antipsychotics.
I'm interested if you have any idea or experience when it comes to such things? I know you claim to be a prohpet of sorts...someone God has sent for us to listen to....but from the point above...I see ignorance...that's all.
Do you have a child that finds it impossible to concentrate at school...so much so that it causes massive anxiety, terrible grades, and angry teachers?
Do you have a spouse who has spent their entire lives struggling against themselves....knowing that should be able to achieve certain things....they're certainly highly intelligent....but unable to know what to do to achieve it? Knowing that they are different, but the mere expectation that they should be able to do something means nothing when confronted with the reality of it? Panic, anxiety, stress, depression, anger...all directed at themselves.
Have you ever had a child who is so sweet, funny and clever, only to be told that he is 'different' and can't fit in with 'normal' children? Have you ever been forced to try and squash that child into a mould that society demands of him, seeing all the time that such things cause nightmares, anxiety of massive levels and misery?
Well....I have. My family is far from what people would call 'normal'. I have a chronic Illness...My husband is autistic with ADD, my daughter has ADD, and my son has autism. From watching my husband and daughter struggle to get anything done, and hate themselves because they couldn't live up to 'expectations'...and then how much their lives have changed with small doses of Ritalin....I can honestly say that the medication is a blessing from God.
And as far as 'false diagnosis'...the eye opening wonder that has been happening in my family since my husband and son recieve a diagnosis of autism, is amazing. I can't change them....wouldn't want to. But understanding them, their quirks, their needs....amazing...for me, and for them. And for the public to be able to see that there is a reason for them behaving as they sometimes do...again, amazing. The people who live in our town have been incredibly supportive of them both.
God is blessing our family...and he is doing it through diagnosis, and medication. For you to say in a blanket statement, damning all people who use Ritalin, or fall back on false diagnosis.....honestly...it just shows your ignorance. I certainly hope that it is because you know no-one with such problems, rather then you having such an opinion of the people around you with such issues.

Are we the enemy, who have been raped, poisoned, tortured, indoctrinated, with abusive parents, sending us to sorcerors called doctors, and that have brought the gates of hell into the church itself so that even the old answer to it all.. God and faith, seem unbelievable to us?

Yet I believe God through it all.
Luke...the author of Luke and Acts, was a doctor. God gave us intelligence, and the abilitiy to better things through it. We built electricity, cars, medication for the sick....all of this falls under the common grace of God. If you truly believe that medicine and doctors are 'sorcerors' then you need to be faithful to your dislike of mans betterment of himself....you better live in a shack and walk everywhere....

I'm sorry that this post seems to be attacking you... I dislike interacting with people on this level, but you really have no idea how insulting your post was. It is not loving, it is not biblical, and it is not accepting of the common grace God has given to all mankind. I would ask that you give some deeper thought on the issues here....there are plenty of Christians who are unwell and yet still recieve God's grace, mercy and blessing. That in itself should be enough for you to recognise that God has his hand upon the situation, and that announcing that all such things are 'modern evils' is not called for.
 

Apocalypticist

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Rach said:
Wow....that was an interesting rant. I wonder at the purpose of it, although I suppose I could say that it's about the evils of modern society. I have some strong objections to some of what you've stated.


I'm interested if you have any idea or experience when it comes to such things? I know you claim to be a prohpet of sorts...someone God has sent for us to listen to....but from the point above...I see ignorance...that's all.
Do you have a child that finds it impossible to concentrate at school...so much so that it causes massive anxiety, terrible grades, and angry teachers?
Do you have a spouse who has spent their entire lives struggling against themselves....knowing that should be able to achieve certain things....they're certainly highly intelligent....but unable to know what to do to achieve it? Knowing that they are different, but the mere expectation that they should be able to do something means nothing when confronted with the reality of it? Panic, anxiety, stress, depression, anger...all directed at themselves.
Have you ever had a child who is so sweet, funny and clever, only to be told that he is 'different' and can't fit in with 'normal' children? Have you ever been forced to try and squash that child into a mould that society demands of him, seeing all the time that such things cause nightmares, anxiety of massive levels and misery?
Well....I have. My family is far from what people would call 'normal'. I have a chronic Illness...My husband is autistic with ADD, my daughter has ADD, and my son has autism. From watching my husband and daughter struggle to get anything done, and hate themselves because they couldn't live up to 'expectations'...and then how much their lives have changed with small doses of Ritalin....I can honestly say that the medication is a blessing from God.
And as far as 'false diagnosis'...the eye opening wonder that has been happening in my family since my husband and son recieve a diagnosis of autism, is amazing. I can't change them....wouldn't want to. But understanding them, their quirks, their needs....amazing...for me, and for them. And for the public to be able to see that there is a reason for them behaving as they sometimes do...again, amazing. The people who live in our town have been incredibly supportive of them both.
God is blessing our family...and he is doing it through diagnosis, and medication. For you to say in a blanket statement, damning all people who use Ritalin, or fall back on false diagnosis.....honestly...it just shows your ignorance. I certainly hope that it is because you know no-one with such problems, rather then you having such an opinion of the people around you with such issues.


Luke...the author of Luke and Acts, was a doctor. God gave us intelligence, and the abilitiy to better things through it. We built electricity, cars, medication for the sick....all of this falls under the common grace of God. If you truly believe that medicine and doctors are 'sorcerors' then you need to be faithful to your dislike of mans betterment of himself....you better live in a shack and walk everywhere....

I'm sorry that this post seems to be attacking you... I dislike interacting with people on this level, but you really have no idea how insulting your post was. It is not loving, it is not biblical, and it is not accepting of the common grace God has given to all mankind. I would ask that you give some deeper thought on the issues here....there are plenty of Christians who are unwell and yet still recieve God's grace, mercy and blessing. That in itself should be enough for you to recognise that God has his hand upon the situation, and that announcing that all such things are 'modern evils' is not called for.
As to it being insulting, for some I definitely see that being the case. I don't speak on behalf of you or your family and if it seemed that way that was my own fault for not being clearer.

The truth however is still the same. The pharmaceutical industry is a predatory industry that has co-opted the psychiatric profession with the result of millions of people being treated for disorders they do not have. The medications themselves have caused disease and even death. They have ruined an untold number of lives. When I say that boys my age were poisoned, I mean every last word of that and I stand by those remarks.

Prophets... What does a prophet not know? What is there a prophet cannot fathom? Prophets receive continual direct revelation. They may not have an answer for something for lack of knowledge in the area but God can give revelation to the prophet for understanding.

You say I "d***ed people who use ritalin." Nothing of the sort. My point is there are doctors who are no more than representatives of big pharma who are deceiving moms into believing their boys have a mental disorder, in order to write prescriptions. My claim is these people are victims, especially the children because there is never full disclosure given by the doctors. Informed consent is inherently impossible in psychiatry because it's mostly based on deception and coercion.

I'm sorry you so deeply misunderstood my posts because I think oddly we have a lot of very similar beliefs. I think maybe my own inability to concisely express what that is made it difficult for you to pick up on that. Do you have any experience with that?
I should add, the medical industry has become more prone to the idea of prescribing antipsychotics to those on the autism spectrum.

That is a very telling revelation I think. Antipsychotics have such a huge range of side effects I can't imagine there is ever a case where it'd be right to subject a kid to that. No sane person could allow there kids to take that. They're used to treat acute psychosis and are heavy tranquilizers. That's something that many people can't fathom.
 

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Apocalypticist said:
As to it being insulting, for some I definitely see that being the case. I don't speak on behalf of you or your family and if it seemed that way that was my own fault for not being clearer.
Thank you for your apology, although you do confuse me. You claim to have extra-biblical knowledge pertaining to all of God's teaching and the end times in particular, but then you claim you don't speak on behalf of my family. If you speak from God, you speak to all.

The truth however is still the same. The pharmaceutical industry is a predatory industry that has co-opted the psychiatric profession with the result of millions of people being treated for disorders they do not have. The medications themselves have caused disease and even death. They have ruined an untold number of lives. When I say that boys my age were poisoned, I mean every last word of that and I stand by those remarks.
Man, if you knew how hard to was to get both diagnosis and medication for treatment, you wouldn't be saying that!!
I have no doubt that the corporations are out to make money...that would not make them all that different to any other company or business though, would it? The people themselves who work for drug companies, I find it hard to believe they are all evil....I would think that like everywhere else you have those who would happily stab people in the back for a profit, and those who believe in the medications they make. I do not really subscribe to the idea that there is a giant conspiracy and the drug companies are Satan. But I suppose you are free to believe it!

Prophets... What does a prophet not know? What is there a prophet cannot fathom? Prophets receive continual direct revelation. They may not have an answer for something for lack of knowledge in the area but God can give revelation to the prophet for understanding.
Not following you here, sorry. Are you claiming the status for yourself, or are you trying to explain the difference between a prophet and what you claim to be??

You say I "d***ed people who use ritalin." Nothing of the sort. My point is there are doctors who are no more than representatives of big pharma who are deceiving moms into believing their boys have a mental disorder, in order to write prescriptions. My claim is these people are victims, especially the children because there is never full disclosure given by the doctors. Informed consent is inherently impossible in psychiatry because it's mostly based on deception and coercion.
Things must work a lot differently there. In Australia it's not so easy to 'get a hold' of those drugs...legally, anyway. I'm sure the 'black market' works here just as well as anywhere else. Here, it takes very close testing to prove a child needs Ritalin. It requires reports from the parents, from the teachers and direct observation from the paediatrician. Even then they are hesitant to prescribe Ritalin, and only do so if the child is clearly struggling in life.

I'm sorry you so deeply misunderstood my posts because I think oddly we have a lot of very similar beliefs. I think maybe my own inability to concisely express what that is made it difficult for you to pick up on that. Do you have any experience with that?
All the time. :p


I should add, the medical industry has become more prone to the idea of prescribing antipsychotics to those on the autism spectrum.

That is a very telling revelation I think. Antipsychotics have such a huge range of side effects I can't imagine there is ever a case where it'd be right to subject a kid to that. No sane person could allow there kids to take that. They're used to treat acute psychosis and are heavy tranquilizers. That's something that many people can't fathom.
There is two issues, in regards to this. The first is....people on the spectrum have a problem that is called "theory of mind". It's a basic lack of understanding that everyone is a separate person or being. My son often thinks that just because he's thought "Im thirsty" then I should automatically know. They also often describe their thoughts as 'voices'. These two issues often lead (or has in the past, I think it is improving now) to doctors and specialists thinking the autistic person has severe mental issues, like schizophrenia, when in fact, they don't. So, if they are then placed on antipsychotic drugs when they aren't needed, then yeah...big problem!
The other issue that could present, is that it is actually very common for a person with autism to have a comorbid disability. It's actually more likely for a person on the spectrum to also have something else, then it is for them to only have autism. Depression is the most likely, but also ADD, Epilepsy, and yes, sometimes schizophrenia.
As you can imagine...it's really not easy to determine which is what, and what is actually needed! We're actually very lucky, because my husband was brought up in a very loving and understanding home. He has his issues, but due to his intelligence and his decent awareness of his state, we know what to keep an eye out for in our son.
 

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We sure like to demonize organizations and people who do not make all our dreams come true. Obamacare is the current whipping boy in America - if the government doesn't cure all disease and provide us with anxiety free healthcare, it MUST be making things worse, ON PURPOSE!

Yes drug companies are making Americans pay more than the rest of the world for medication AND yes, drug companies are researching reproductions of antacids, Viagra, and addictive drugs like benzodiazepines and Ritalin rather than researching new antibiotics and new medication for serious diseases, because we protect big business in America! Drug companies are only concerned about about profits and the money is found in extending patents by tweaking antacids and Viagra. Satan has nothing to do with it.

I really think we have a 'cause and effect' problem in America - we protect big business and banks, deregulate critical services, freeze wages and then wonder why we are being preyed upon by our own companies! Then we irrationally blame the government.....

Once again......'Satan has poisoned our food with pesticides, herbicides and even altered the very DNA of our crops! What should we do!? I know how to fix it.......let's have a picnic!'

Completely irrational and totally useless problem solving based on short term, consumeristic, head-in-the-sand policy making, which recklessly disregards cause and effect. But, Christ is coming back soon so who cares, right?

Oh brother......I weep for future generations