Limited atonement !
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Behold
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Post that verse., as no Bible says that God's Grace can be earned, as if you had to earn it, then its not Grace, its WORKS.
Behold
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Behold
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She is resisting Satanic John Calvinism.
Unfortunately this doctrine of devil's took over your mind, long ago.
Once this mind infection takes over, its very difficult to come back to the Light.
Calvinism-Hyper Calvinism, has , proably a better then 95% success rate of deceiving its deceived all the way to their Grave.
Calvinism, along with Catholicism, and Mormonism, and JW, and Islam, are Satan's finest Theology - Doctrine - = Cults.
The truth is that whosoever will may take the water of life freely. Truth resolves all contradictions. The natural man cannot perceive truth, it must be spiritually discerned.
Like you are certainly free to ignore or reject all the scriptures that contradict your doctrine, true?. God is not making you do that.
Truth is found in the Doctrines of Grace TULIP do you know what those letters mean ?
Behold
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I'll definitely be resisting John Calvinism for as long as God resists it.
A.) For Eternity
Behold
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Christians lead people to Jesus.
Deceived Calvinists, run from forum to forum, trying to lead Christians, to Satanic Calvinism.
(As you know).
Since when did you believe in Jesus and yet reject the Gospel of Christ ? The Jesus of scripture came to save a specific people as in Particular atonement Matt 1:21
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Thats the Jesus I present and you reject
Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
1 Timothy 4:6
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
2 Timothy 3:14-17
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Yes, my spirit knows the truth, when the Living God decided to show me his grace and mercy, when he gave birth to my spirit?
My mother gave birth to my body.” Flesh”
Who do you think gives birth to our spirit?.....Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Do you know that you have a spirit?..I didn’t, not until it was birthed into the Spirit of Christ....” mind Blowing “ supernatural divine birth ...a Living Spirit birth....that only the Living Spirit/ seed can perform...in Jesus Name...Amen.
How else would I know that my spirit is Born Again?
Only by Gods Living testimony the Living Spirit Of Christ.
Yes, the truth will set us free, that the Spirit Of Jesus is Alive and Active in all of his Born Again children?
All you have done is post scripture, with no exegesis....like I have explained scripture does not testify with our spirit that it’s Born Again.
Did the Bible birth your spirit?
Did the Bible pour the Love Of God into your heart, when it was birthed?
Did the Bible give you a new heart and spirit within?
It’s the testimony of the Living Spirit that brings our spirit from death to life?
Many can be following the leading of Jesus through reading their Bible, that doesn’t mean that their spirit is Born Again?
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Did Christ die for every human being of mankind ? No, His Death was limited to them He died and reconciled unto God. Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Eph 2:16
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross/or death, having slain the enmity thereby:
Now the word reconciled in Col 1:21 is the greek word apokatallassō:
There is no such thing as Christ dying for people and they not be reconciled to God completely, which is nothing short of Salvation !
So His death is limited to the reconciled completely ! 18
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Eph 2:16
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross/or death, having slain the enmity thereby:
Now the word reconciled in Col 1:21 is the greek word apokatallassō:
- to reconcile completely
- to reconcile back again
- bring back a former state of harmony
There is no such thing as Christ dying for people and they not be reconciled to God completely, which is nothing short of Salvation !
So His death is limited to the reconciled completely ! 18
Here is another chance for you to explain the theology you have on how does one limit a death?
amigo de christo
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because atonement can only come unto those who do BELEIVE .
the gospel is not limited , it ought to have been preached to all . for any who does beleive
shall be saved .
HOWEVER since you did say the gospel is not limited
allow me some parting words . IT SURE SEEMS TO BE WITHIN these sold out interfaith loving churches .
CAUSE THEY SURE as heck wont preach it . And thus , its proof of something .
Something very very terrifying for them . and had they known it , MY GOODNESS they had repented
of any kind of false love interfaith finding common ground judge not correct not sin accepting UNBELIEF accepting lie .
THE END is THE SECOND death unto all who partake of that cup . JESUS has been denied .
and thus No matter how loving and kind they make this broad road seem , ITS JUST as JESUS said it was
LEADETH ONLY TO DESTRUCTION . might i suggest we all once again as small children
open us up the lovely bible , THEN enjoy reading it and THEN compare these sold out charlaton
judge nots AGAINST HOW JESUS DID THINGS and the APOSETLS did things .
YOU SURE gonna see the same thing by grace i did . MAN this people is being fleeced and decieved
and sadly so many of them just seem to love to have it so . DO be encouraged on that note.
I come not to condemn but simply speak out of great love and upmost urgency . THIS people IS and are
BEING FLEECED by none other than satan and his coworkers
WHO have done NAUGHT but twist what little scripture they use UNTO THEIR OWN and unto EVERYONE WHO SITS UNDER THEM
Own destruction . WHICH i might add by the signs of the times , ITS COMING a whole lot sooner than most realize .
amigo de christo
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spot on right sister . notice JESUS did not say , CAUSE MY FATHER MADE YOU RESIST ME .
THEY RESISTED . tHEY DID . GOD SENT PROPHETS TO WARN
TO WARN . just as he do still today send folks to warn , to remind this people .
ONLY as did their fathers so too do the children . THEY DO ALWAYS RESIST the SPIRIT .
Marvelloustime
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I'm a Fundamentalist. The Atonement has to be Limited by SOMETHING. It's 'why' we say it is Limited, that bothers people...
When people say the Atonement is Limited, but the Gospel Promise is not Limited; we really shouldn't have much of a problem with each other...
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