Linking a Man to an animal, is a sin - how much a slave to "linking with an animal" are Evolutionists (if sinning makes you a slave)?

[The Barbarian]

Genesis 6:3 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

Gen 6:3 seems to be a foreshadow of things to come, not indictive of lifespans prior to the flood.

That's not what it says. If one has to add to scripture to make one's beliefs work that's kind of a tip-off, isn't it?

Some interpret the 120 years as a countdown until the flood occurred.

It doesn't say that, either. Why not just accept it as it is?

 

[Taken]

Not all animals are sexually reproducing.

So?

Humans are a Kind of Being, of Two genders, that (if) they reproduce, reproduce their Same KIND of Being…a Human.

Animals are a Kind of Being, of Two genders,
that (if) they reproduce, reproduce their Same KIND of Being…an Animal.

Humans do Not reproduce Animals.
Animals do Not reproduce Humans.

 

[The Barbarian]

Animals are a Kind of Being, of Two genders,
that (if) they reproduce, reproduce their Same KIND of Being…an Animal.

Some of them. Not all of them.

 

[Taken]

Some of them. Not all of them.

Sure some animals and creeping crawling things WITHIN their own Kind can internally reproduce their same Kind of offspring.

Irrelevant regarding a discussion of Humans and Animals crossing / breeding to produce an offspring.

 

[Armour of God]

Actually, they did. It was discovered in the 19th century. It wasn't until the 1940s that it was known to be involved in inheritance.

But they did know about chromosomes and their role in inheritance.

Well, since one of them was the offspring of the other, it wasn't hard to figure out.

There's this thing in science called reproducibility. Others looked at the plants and confirmed his findings.

No, that was the mutation they discovered. It's called "polyploidy." It's why the plant with the mutation could no longer interbreed with other plants of the old species. Do you see why?


I suppose if one doesn't know anything about biology. What do you know about sexual reproduction on a cellular level?
Edit: Not much to add after the facts. But denial is still an option, I guess. It's a take-it-or-leave-it thing.

It's impossible that one plant came from another. One had double the chromosomes ok. He simply found two plants and made an assumption that was shown to be incorrect. So enough with your assumptions.

 

[Armour of God]

We report finding genetic differentiation between co-occurring hawthorn and apple populations of R. pomonella at a field site near Grant, Michigan. The result confirms that hawthorn and apple flies represent partially reproductively isolated 'host races' and is consistent with a sympatric mode of divergence for these flies

In this case the article starts by saying

It has been proposed that true fruit flies in the Rhagoletis pomonella species group speciate sympatrically (that is, in the absence of geographic isolation) as a consequence of shifts to previously unexploited host plants

It has been proposed. In other words it has been assumed

It ends off by saying

The result confirms that hawthorn and apple flies represent partially reproductively isolated 'host races' and is consistent with a sympatric mode of divergence for these flies

Partially reproductive. This is not a new species at all.

Here's a case of animal speciation by chromosomal mutation

The link to your other case doesn't even open up.

 

[Armour of God]

Here is where I get to refute the claim that new species arise from genetic mutation.

1- Humans have been breeding animals for thousands of years. Dogs, cats, cows, pigs, sheep, goats, chickens, horses, the list goes on.
But never has a new species been seen to arise.
In dogs we see many mutations causing different breeds. But whether it's it's poodle or a boxer it's still the same species, it's still a dog, they can breed with eachother.
We see that when a horse mates with a donkey it produces a mule. But that mule is sterile and cannot breed, its not sustainable.

2- "Theoretical science" says that humans have been around for over 200,000 years. Long enough to witness any new species arise. But we don't see that at all. We see different mutations which causes different hair colour, eye colour, skin colour, shape and size of eyes, nose, mouth, etc. But we have yet to see a new species arise from humans.

3- Cellular biology has come a long way. We can now observe mutations in laboratories. Since 1988 scientists have been studying a bacteria call e-coli. In the lab it reproduces so fast that we should be able to see any kind of evolution over such a long time. Trillions of mutations have shown that no new species have occurred in the e-coli over almost 40 years of study.

4- Malaria has also been studied for a long time with the same result. After trillions of mutations nothing new has come of it.
Bio chemist Dr Michael Behe explains

5- Humans are so advanced now that they understand the genome of insects, mice, rabbits and other animals. Not only that but they can manipulate the genome to create mutations. And that's exactly what they've been trying to do for decades, desperately trying to prove the TOE assumption that new species can occur from genetic mutation. But even with human manipulation of genes by scientists all around the world no new species has been made.

6- We see genetically modified plants, vegetables and fruits but again they haven't produces any new species, not even in plants which are far more simpler than animals.

So the whole claim of new species arriving from genetic mutation is refuted. It's claims are mearly speculative assumptions with very little foundation. Nothing more.

TOE is not accepted by every scientist like Newton's laws of gravity is or the laws of motion physics. It is a topic that has been debated for decades now. This alone shows that there is something very wrong about TOE and teaching it to be a fact to children is a scientific crime and child abuse.

I used to debate this stuff about 20 years ago with evolutionists that loved atheist scientists like Christipher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins. Guys that turn people away from God and try to rubbish Christianity more than actually proving TOE. They just try to use the name of science to make people believe them.
So despite not following it for 20 years nothing has changed and I know this stuff very well. That's why I have found it fun to debate you on this. It has been very easy to refute your claims and point out the speculation and assumption that lies everywhere in TOE.

 

[rvmb]

Someone was building things in Jericho over 12,000 years ago. But we don't actually know when Adam and Eve were given living souls. For a time, some people adopted polygenism, arguing that not everyone today is a descendant of those two.

Polygenism has historically been heavily used in service of white supremacist ideas and practices, denying a common origin between European and non-European peoples.[2][3] It can be distinguished between Biblical polygenism, describing a Pre-Adamite or Co-Adamite origin of certain races in the context of the Genesis narrative of Adam and Eve, and scientific polygenism, attempting to find a taxonomic basis for ideas of racial science.

Polygenism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Personally, I believe that Adam and Eve lived long before Jericho was constructed. That is consistent with both scientific data and Scripture.

Luke 3:23-38 lists the generations of Christ back to Adam.
The ages of these people are listed in the OT.

 

[The Barbarian]

Luke 3:23-38 lists the generations of Christ back to Adam.

Which differs greatly from the geneology of Christ in Matthew. So we know these can't be interpreted literally.

 

[The Barbarian]

The result confirms that hawthorn and apple flies represent partially reproductively isolated 'host races' and is consistent with a sympatric mode of divergence for these flies

Partially reproductive. This is not a new species at all.

It's an incipient species. We are watching speciation in progress. As you learned, even YECs now admit the fact of speciation. The reason is clear. If the previous YEC doctrines were true, we would see precise boundaries between species. But that's not the case. Polar bears and grizzly bears are different species. Yet like the apple and hawthorn flies, they sometimes reproduce.

After the last glaciation, leopard frogs slowly moved north to form new populations there. While leopard frogs in nearby sounthern areas can interbreed with northern leopard frogs, those in areas farther south cannot. If the intermediate populations were to go extinct, it would form two separate species, no longer about to interbreed. In this case, microevolution would retroactively become macroevolution.

But never has a new species been seen to arise.

I showed you some examples. This is why most creationist organizations now admit the fact of speciation.

"Theoretical science" says that humans have been around for over 200,000 years.

Genetics, for example, demonstrates the fact. We retain genes from Neandethals, Denesovans, and at least one other ancient species of human. But it's experimental science, not theoretical science; it wasn't a settled theory until repeated tests verified the predictions again and again. Perhaps you don't know what a theory is in sicence. What do you think it is?

TOE is not accepted by every scientist like Newton's laws of gravity is or the laws of motion physics.

You're wrong about Newton. It's Newton's theory of gravitation. However it is his laws of motion. And the difference is at the heart of your conflict with science. Do you understand the difference between a scientific law and a scientific theory? What do you think the difference is? Here's a hint; how does Newton's theory of gravitation differ from Kepler's Laws of planetary motion? Let us know what you think.

I used to debate this stuff about 20 years ago with evolutionists that loved atheist scientists like Christipher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins. Guys that turn people away from God and try to rubbish Christianity more than actually proving TOE.

Then I suppose they didn't do a very good job. You might do better to read the work of people like Theo Dobzhansky or Francis Collins, who have no need to push an atheistic agenda. Might be instructive for you.

So despite not following it for 20 years nothing has changed and I know this stuff very well.

The difference between a scientific law and a scientific theory is pretty basic stuff. And that was the case, even 20 years ago. Tell us what you think, and we'll see if that clears up some things.

 

[The Barbarian]

TOE is not accepted by every scientist like Newton's laws of gravity is or the laws of motion physics. It is a topic that has been debated for decades now.

That's also a testable belief. There are actually data available. We can compare data from the Discovery Institute's "list of scientists who doubt Darwin" and "Project Steve."

To qualify for Project Steve, one has to accept Darwinian theory, have a doctorate in biology or a related field and be named "Steve" or some variant of it like Estefan or Stephanie. Taking the same criterion to the Discovery Institute list, (last time I checked) about 0.3% of scientists don't accept evolutionary theory.

Which seems pretty much settled to me. Biological evolution is an observed fact, like gravity, you've confused these phenomena with the theories that explain them. In fact, evolutionary theory is more firmly set than gravitational theory. We know why evolution works, but we still aren't precisely sure why gravity works. We know these things happen because we observe them happening, but explaining why they happen is another issue.

You tube has a lot of stuff, and much of it is just wrong. Look to journals of science to learn about scientific things.

 

[Jericho]

Genesis 6:3 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

We can go round and round on this, but it seems evident to me. Gen 6:3 is a judgement prior to the flood. You can look at all the genealogies, and there is a clear distinction between post-flood and pre-flood lifespans. I've said all I can say about that.

 

[rvmb]

Which differs greatly from the geneology of Christ in Matthew. So we know these can't be interpreted literally.

GOTCHA big-time Barbie
Read, study & weep

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Linking a Man to an animal, is a sin - how much a slave to "linking with an animal" are Evolutionists (if sinning makes you a slave)?

Angels, Humans, Animals…
Are all distinct separate classes of Beings…
* each has their own bodily Life.
* each has a soul and is Life of Gods Breath.
* each within its OWN Class, evolves, adapts, to its environment.
* each within its OWN Class, has POWER, INSTINCTS, CHOICES.

Angels……ARE spirits.
Humans….HAVE a spirit.
Animals....NEITHER ARE a spirit or HAVE a spirit.

An Angels spirit IS his Being.
A Humans spirit IS his TRUTH in his Heart.
An Animals Being, IS his INSTINCTS.

Angels POWER is great.
… An Angel has the POWER to Appear “AS” a human.
…Angels can MIMICK human behavior.

Human POWER is limited.
…A human can bulk muscle, physical strength.
…A human can sit in a POWER Authoritative Position Over other men.
…A human can modify the outside of his body, to Appear “AS” an other human or animal or object.

…Animals POWER is primarily per each Animal, for survival, food, defense, protection, mating.
…SOME Animals can MIMICK Human Behavior.

Angels NEVER “Become” humans.
Angels that MATE with Female Humans,
Reproduce a Hybred, offspring of giant anatomy and great strength.

Humans NEVER “Become” angels.
Humans NEVER “Become” animals.
Humans that mate with Animals NEVER produce a human, animal or mixed offspring.

Animals NEVER “Become” humans.

Purporting, Advocating, Teaching…
Angels become humans…
Animals become humans…
IS A LIE.


Glory to God,
Taken

Angel, is the name of their office. not their nature !
Their nature is the Spirit. from what they do ! They are servants, messengers of God !

St Stephen was said to be, as having the face of that, of an Angel in regards the issue in the Bible, how it states such.

 

[The Barbarian]

GOTCHA big-time Barbie

So neither of them is literally true? We already knew that, because the conflicting geneologies give different fathers for Joseph, which can't be literally true. So much for using them to date anything. Did you really not realize what you were admitting?

Read, study & weep.

 

[The Barbarian]

Gen 6:3 is a judgement prior to the flood.

It doesn't say that. That's an addition to make it fit a particular desire.

 

[rvmb]

So neither of them is literally true? We already knew that, because the conflicting geneologies give different fathers for Joseph, which can't be literally true. So much for using them to date anything. Did you really not realize what you were admitting?

Read, study & weep.

Keep weeping Barbie :)
Adam to now, approx 6000 years
***

 

[Armour of God]

@Reggie Belafonte

Hello Reggie B. I see that you liked many of my posts on this thread. I'd like to break down my conclusion in simple terms.

The theory of evolution is a big fat lie.
It is based on wishful speculation and wild assumptions that are highly improbable. From the findings of bones scattered on a hillside, claiming that it came from one being that humans evolved from, to the claim that one specific plant evolved from another when it actually has twice the chromosomes. It is more delusion than anything else.

For decades they have wasted tax payer money to try and prove this in labs all around the world. They have desperately tried to modify the genes of animals, plants and even bacteria to try and prove their erroneous claim that new species can arise from others. The result is unanimous. New species have not been observed to arise from other species. Yet they continue to propagate this lie.

Is it Satanic as the OP claims? Well we know that Satan is the father of lies and we know that atheists and anti Christians such as Richard Dawkins use this theory to try and disprove God. So it most certainly is the work of Satan. The theory is taught to children in schools all around the world. It has pulled many people away from God and continues to do so. It pulled me away from God when I was a young man and I'm greatful to God for helping me cut through the lies and deception of the evil one

God bless

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

@Reggie Belafonte

Hello Reggie B. I see that you liked many of my posts on this thread. I'd like to break down my conclusion in simple terms.

The theory of evolution is a big fat lie.
It is based on wishful speculation and wild assumptions that are highly improbable. From the findings of bones scattered on a hillside, claiming that it came from one being that humans evolved from, to the claim that one specific plant evolved from another when it actually has twice the chromosomes. It is more delusion than anything else.

For decades they have wasted tax payer money to try and prove this in labs all around the world. They have desperately tried to modify the genes of animals, plants and even bacteria to try and prove their erroneous claim that new species can arise from others. The result is unanimous. New species have not been observed to arise from other species. Yet they continue to propagate this lie.

Is it Satanic as the OP claims? Well we know that Satan is the father of lies and we know that atheists and anti Christians such as Richard Dawkins use this theory to try and disprove God. So it most certainly is the work of Satan. The theory is taught to children in schools all around the world. It has pulled many people away from God and continues to do so. It pulled me away from God when I was a young man and I'm greatful to God for helping me cut through the lies and deception of the evil one

God bless

Yes their is a reason why that we see the Game is being played the way it has been !
It's to make out that people are just a Number ? something to be owned ! like cattle. and that is clearly where they are at !

So Socialist and Communist use this Game to feed their own depraved ego's.

That is why people nowadays are being conditioned to approve of Abortion on demand of up to 9 months healthy baby !
I could not live with myself to do such a thing, as I do understand the very foundations that is of the Socialist peddle ! They are a Death Cult in fact and a abomination Curse on the Soul. Clearly Satanic !

I once wondered what made people like the Nazis and Communist Tick ! Natural Man or Carnal Man is Lost and so ill ! such is clearly Dangerious !
Oh yes for sure they who are so nice ? such a one can be or come across as all and all say ? but when put under pressure it's thensuch as they can loose the plot ! now tho if they had maturity in Christ Jesus, it's then that they can be Virtue it's self. because we know what makes such as that tick ?

But the Socialist understand what makes carnal man tick ? only they clearly work to exploite such. All such are Slaves ! and clearly in fact Slaves to Sin, for clearly they do not abide in Christ Jesus ! but the works of Man. The Devil himself is a realy nice dude as well ? and he will come across as to give you all that you want ? that is Full of Delusions and Deceptions !

Christ Jesus always holds out his hand for us to walk on the waters with him ? but one of little faith is looking else where. for one needs the faith that can move mountains !

I am glad you can see through the game play they used in Idolising Dawkins. the poor dude was also used by the Satanic Mob ! Their were things he came out with, that he did not say were 100% but look who clearly wanted to run with such things ! as if one is to question any such he said, fools would get in a rage with ya, thinking that you have no right to question anything he came up with. as if who are you to have an opinion on such things, well I for one knew he did not know everything, not to mention he clearly lacked in regard Christ Jesus.

 

[Armour of God]

Yes their is a reason why that we see the Game is being played the way it has been !
It's to make out that people are just a Number ? something to be owned ! like cattle. and that is clearly where they are at !

So Socialist and Communist use this Game to feed their own depraved ego's.

That is why people nowadays are being conditioned to approve of Abortion on demand of up to 9 months healthy baby !
I could not live with myself to do such a thing, as I do understand the very foundations that is of the Socialist peddle ! They are a Death Cult in fact and a abomination Curse on the Soul. Clearly Satanic !

I once wondered what made people like the Nazis and Communist Tick ! Natural Man or Carnal Man is Lost and so ill ! such is clearly Dangerious !
Oh yes for sure they who are so nice ? such a one can be or come across as all and all say ? but when put under pressure it's thensuch as they can loose the plot ! now tho if they had maturity in Christ Jesus, it's then that they can be Virtue it's self. because we know what makes such as that tick ?

But the Socialist understand what makes carnal man tick ? only they clearly work to exploite such. All such are Slaves ! and clearly in fact Slaves to Sin, for clearly they do not abide in Christ Jesus ! but the works of Man. The Devil himself is a realy nice dude as well ? and he will come across as to give you all that you want ? that is Full of Delusions and Deceptions !

Christ Jesus always holds out his hand for us to walk on the waters with him ? but one of little faith is looking else where. for one needs the faith that can move mountains !

I am glad you can see through the game play they used in Idolising Dawkins. the poor dude was also used by the Satanic Mob ! Their were things he came out with, that he did not say were 100% but look who clearly wanted to run with such things ! as if one is to question any such he said, fools would get in a rage with ya, thinking that you have no right to question anything he came up with. as if who are you to have an opinion on such things, well I for one knew he did not know everything, not to mention he clearly lacked in regard Christ Jesus.

Well said Reggie B
The evil one tries to deceive people in many ways with his lies. He tries to pull people away from God and unfortunately he is very successful at it