Linking a Man to an animal, is a sin - how much a slave to "linking with an animal" are Evolutionists (if sinning makes you a slave)?

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The Barbarian

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Keep weeping Barbie :)
Adam to now, approx 6000 years
Calm down. Getting angry and abusive won't make you more believable.
And pretending that one genealogy for Joseph is really just for Mary, doesn't solve your problem, since both are said to be for Joseph, not Mary.

Claiming that the verse means what you say, because it doesn't mean what it says, isn't a very good argument.
 

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For decades they have wasted tax payer money to try and prove this in labs all around the world. They have desperately tried to modify the genes of animals, plants and even bacteria to try and prove their erroneous claim that new species can arise from others. The result is unanimous.
Nearly so. The observation of speciation has led to the acknowledgement of YEC groups that speciation is a fact:

"As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time. The biodiversity represented in the 8.7 million or so species in the world is a testament, not to random chance processes, but to the genetic variability and potential for diversification within the created kinds.

Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging."


Apparently, there are still YECs who deny what their leaders now admit to be true.

Well we know that Satan is the father of lies and we know that atheists and anti Christians such as Richard Dawkins use this theory to try and disprove God.
Perhaps you don't know that Dawkins finally admitted that he can't disprove God. He became officially an agnostic.

t pulled me away from God when I was a young man
Happens to a lot of young people when they discover that the creationist stories can't be true. If they have been taught that YEC is an essential part of Christian belief, they can lose their faith. This is the real damage that YEC does to God's church.
 

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Perhaps you don't know that Dawkins finally admitted that he can't disprove God. He became officially an agnostic
Oh my goodness. Richard Dawkins is agnostic now. Geez.

After all that huffing and puffing and criticising Christianiy. Him and the other 3 guys that called themselves the 4 horsemen from the book of revelations, thought they were about to destroy Christianity. What an arrogant fool he was and the way he spoke to Christians was just disgraceful.
Ohh I hated him so much. It was his approach that made me say "that's not science, thats garbage". He made me loose all respect for theoretical science

Haha that has made my day. I will sleep well now. Thanks for telling me that. I feel so justified now in rejecting TOE and Dawkins nonsense all those years ago.
 

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Oh my goodness. Richard Dawkins is agnostic now. Geez.
Yep. What we used to call a "fundy atheist." In his own way as bullheaded and ideologically-bound as any YEC.

Ohh I hated him so much.
I don't hate him. But I don't give him much respect as to telelogical issues.
Haha that has made my day. I will sleep well now. Thanks for telling me that. I feel so justified now in rejecting TOE and Dawkins nonsense all those years ago.
Haha that has made my day. I will sleep well now. Thanks for telling me that. I feel so justified now in rejecting TOE and Dawkins nonsense all those years ago.
For the reason you just made clear, he made it very difficult for many Christians to accept large parts of God's creation.
 

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Yep. What we used to call a "fundy atheist." In his own way as bullheaded and ideologically-bound as any YEC.


I don't hate him. But I don't give him much respect as to telelogical issues.


For the reason you just made clear, he made it very difficult for many Christians to accept large parts of God's creation.
Richard Dawkins is no longer an atheist.
WOW. I can't even sleep now thinking about that

My friend, you should stop pushing that TOE nonsense and give glory to God the almighty.

All the wonderful creatures on the land, the fish in the water, the birds in the sky, all the plants and beautiful flowers, the mountains, rivers, oceans, the cycle of life, all the stars in the sky. That doesn't come about from some random process. That's all made by an intelligent creator, so magnificent, that we cannot comprehend his power.

Glory be to God
 

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@The Barbarian

We are made in the image of God.
We are not made in the image of monkey.
God created intelligent humans.
The same humans we see today.
Humans with consciousness, thought, speech, wisdom.

You should reconsider your TOE beliefs.
Stop believing what scientists say.
Only believe what you can see for yourself
Stop believing assumptions and speculation
Only believe what is 100% verifiable.

Use a higher standard of evidence.
Be like an engineer building an aircraft or building or a bridge.
Only use things that is 100% verifiable
Do not rely on speculation.
Don't rely on what so called scientists say.
Only rely on what you can see
Be skeptical

Don't use the standard of evidence in a civil court room.
They use balance of probabilities
Use the standard of evidence in a criminal court room.
They use evidence that's beyond reasonable doubt

Its an assumption to think those flowers came from another. They can very easily just be two different flowers. The difference in chromosomes aren't even close. Your taking the word of some guy eager to prove his idea.
An engineer scraps that data.
A criminal trial scraps that data

It's an assumption to think that Lucy is a transitional fossil. It can very easily be just another primate. Your just believing what these so called scientists are saying.
An engineer scraps that data.
A criminal trial scraps that data

They have been genetically modifying plants and animals for decades now. Trying to prove that new species can come from another. They have found it to be impossible to do so.
It's unanimous. It can't be done.
An engineer does use this data
A criminal trial does use this data

Recognise the standard of evidence that should be required to make such a claim.
Recognise the higher level of evidence required in real science, engineering
Recognise the difference between probability and beyond reasonable doubt.

Stop thinking about YEC. That never entered my thoughts. It was never my objective. Evidence is too uncertain and has no bearing on TOE.
Its not clear in the bible how old earth is. You have to believe what so called scientists say with their dodgy dating practices. Scientists that have their own narrative. Scientists with conflict of interests.
Scrap that idea all together. I accept that I don't know how old the earth is.
The bible is unclear and im certainly not putting my faith in these dodgy so called scientists with their agenda.

You already reject the TOE and Darwins claim of a universal ancestor. Your almost there.
Think it through further. Don't just believe what theses atheists are telling you.
They have an agenda. They want to pull people away from God
There is no common ancestor at all.
Nothing came about from random processes
God created all the species in the world.
God created humans, homo sapians, our species.

Glory be to God
 
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We are made in the image of God.
God doesn't have a nose or feet or earlobes. Jesus says that God is a spirit and He says a spirit has no body.

That's why it was necessary for God to incarnate our Savior by a woman. The image is in our minds and souls.

God created intelligent humans.
The same humans we see today.
Early humans were a lot different than anatomically modern humans. Mostly in the skull, but also in other details. Would you like to learn about that?

You should reconsider your TOE beliefs.
I've seen way too much evidence to abandon reason for unorthodox YEC. Again, you've confused biological evolution, which we see happening constantly, with universal common descent, which is a conclusion from genetics.

Its an assumption to think those flowers came from another.
Actually, they know the very individual it came from. You see, a polyploidy speciation happens in one generation.

Be like an engineer building an aircraft or building or a bridge.
Only use things that is 100% verifiable
Do not rely on speculation.
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The difference in chromosomes aren't even close.
One has twice the number of chromosomes of the species from which it came. That seems like a pretty substantial difference to me. But in the first individual of the new species, they were just two copies of the same chromosomes as the original species.

It's an assumption to think that Lucy is a transitional fossil.
By definition. A transitional organism has the apomorphic features of two different groups. Would you like to review why Lucy is transitional between Homo and other apes?

Evidence is too uncertain and has no bearing on TOE.
You still haven't shown which of the four points of Darwinian theory have been shown to be false. Would you be able to do that, now?

You already reject the TOE and Darwins claim of a universal ancestor.
Well, let's take a look...
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species

I accept the evidence for a common ancestor of all living things on Earth, because genetics evidence shows this to be true. But not because Darwin said there could have been any number of original created organisms.

Think it through further. Don't just believe what theses atheists are telling you.
Darwin was a Christian when he wrote his book. I took my first course in evolution from a Christian who was on his local vestry board. C'mon.

They have an agenda. They want to pull people away from God
Seems unlikely that Christians want to pull people away from God.
Nothing came about from random processes
Darwin's great discovery was that it isn't random. Do you see a pattern here? Much of what you don't like about evolutionary theory isn't even part of evolutionary theory.

God created all the species in the world. God created humans, homo sapians, our species.
Yes. The issue is that YECs don't approve of the way He did it.

Glory be to God
And that is something creationists and evolutionists can agree on. Well said.
 
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God doesn't have a nose or feet or earlobes. Jesus says that God is a spirit and He says a spirit has no body.

That's why it was necessary for God to incarnate our Savior by a woman. The image is in our minds and souls.


Early humans were a lot different than anatomically modern humans. Mostly in the skull, but also in other details. Would you like to learn about that?


I've seen way too much evidence to abandon reason for unorthodox YEC. Again, you've confused biological evolution, which we see happening constantly, with universal common descent, which is a conclusion from genetics.


Actually, they know the very individual it came from. You see, a polyploidy speciation happens in one generation.


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One has twice the number of chromosomes of the species from which it came. That seems like a pretty substantial difference to me. But in the first individual of the new species, they were just two copies of the same chromosomes as the original species.


By definition. A transitional organism has the apomorphic features of two different groups. Would you like to review why Lucy is transitional between Homo and other apes?


You still haven't shown which of the four points of Darwinian theory have been shown to be false. Would you be able to do that, now?


Well, let's take a look...
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species

I accept the evidence for a common ancestor of all living things on Earth, because genetics evidence shows this to be true. But not because Darwin said there could have been any number of original created organisms.


Darwin was a Christian when he wrote his book. I took my first course in evolution from a Christian who was on his local vestry board. C'mon.


Seems unlikely that Christians want to pull people away from God.

Darwin's great discovery was that it isn't random. Do you see a pattern here? Much of what you don't like about evolutionary theory isn't even part of evolutionary theory.


Yes. The issue is that YECs don't approve of the way He did it.


And that is something creationists and evolutionists can agree on. Well said.

Tssss you and your pathetic assumptions and speculations. Darwin did say there was a universal ancestor. Your proving to be a liar now too. I don't like liars

Your like the engineers of that Tacoma Narrows bridge that you posted. Full of error
You keep teaching a falsehood that pulls people away from God.

I pray that he forgives you for your lies and teaching Satan's lies
 
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@The Barbarian

This is your theory.
Built on unfounded principles, assumptions and speculation


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Iv proven your theory to be false and you've proven yourself to be a liar.

Your just a puppet for people like Richard Dawkins and his atheist mates.
Spreading Satan's lies
 
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This is your theory.
Built on unfounded principles, assumptions and speculation


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That's your engineering, not evolutionary theory. Have you decided which of the four point of Darwinian theory have been refuted? Let us know when you think you have it.
Your just a puppet for people like Richard Dawkins and his atheist mates.
You seem to know more about him than I do. I'm just pointing out, as most Christian denominations do, that evolution is consistent with God's creation. It's no coincidence that both YECs and atheists seem to spend a lot of time trying to prove God is inconsistent with evolution.
Spreading Satan's lies
If you considered God's creation to be Satan's lies, isn't that a clue for you?
 

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Darwin did say there was a universal ancestor.
Well, let's see what Darwin said in his book...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species
 

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Well, let's see what Darwin said in his book...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species

You truly are a liar. You know Darwin said this

all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form

Your god said that and your denying it after all this.
Your a blatant liar and have lost all my respect to be honest

Your not fooling anyone here anyway
Everyone is too smart to be deceived by Satan's lies
Crawl back into the dark hole where you belong
 

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Well, let's see what Darwin said in his book...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species

You truly are a liar.
I'm just quoting what he wrote in his book. His expressed belief was that God could have created any number of original living things.

You know Darwin said this

all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form
Actually, he wrote:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"
P. 484
I'm not accusing you of dishonesty here; I suspect someone gave you that snippet, edited to make it look as though Darwin had declared something that he did not.

Your god said that and your denying it after all this.
My God merely said that the Earth brought forth living things. He apparently didn't think it important to tell us how. Check Genesis; it's worth a look.
Your a blatant liar and have lost all my respect to be honest
Sometimes, it's better to be careful about such things. You aren't the first person to be taken in by another's dishonesty. You trusted people who took advantage of that trust. Be more discerning.
Crawl back into the dark hole where you belong
Learn from this, and try to do better.
 
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Calm down. Getting angry and abusive won't make you more believable.
And pretending that one genealogy for Joseph is really just for Mary, doesn't solve your problem, since both are said to be for Joseph, not Mary.

Claiming that the verse means what you say, because it doesn't mean what it says, isn't a very good argument.
Relax Barbie & take your Adam to now 6000 years medicine like a good boy :)

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Well, let's see what Darwin said in his book...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species


I'm just quoting what he wrote in his book. His expressed belief was that God could have created any number of original living things.


Actually, he wrote:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"
P. 484
I'm not accusing you of dishonesty here; I suspect someone gave you that snippet, edited to make it look as though Darwin had declared something that he did not.


My God merely said that the Earth brought forth living things. He apparently didn't think it important to tell us how. Check Genesis; it's worth a look.

Sometimes, it's better to be careful about such things. You aren't the first person to be taken in by another's dishonesty.

Learn from this, and try to do better.

You have proven to be a compulsive liar
Satan is the father of lies
I'm glad no one has fallen for your deception
 

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Relax Barbie & take your Adam to now 6000 years medicine like a good boy :)
It's O.K. to be upset. As you learned, the excuses you've found are no more than someone's attempt to convert God's word to something acceptable to them. But they are still just man's revision of God's word that you have accepted.
 

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You have proven to be a compulsive liar
It's a hard lesson to learn that people will sometimes lie to you. But as you have seen, people will edit the words of others to make it seem that they meant what they did not.

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

turns out to actually be:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

And now you see that this statement is entirely consistent with Darwin's final words of his book:
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Darwin suspected that all life on Earth was descended from one original form. But he had no way of showing that, and could only admit that he didn't know. It wasn't until genetics and DNA analysis showed that this was correct.

Learn from it.
 
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It's O.K. to be upset. As you learned, the excuses you've found are no more than someone's attempt to convert God's word to something acceptable to them. But they are still just man's revision of God's word that you have accepted.
>>>>>>>>>It's O.K. to be upset.
Hey Barbie, good to see that your therapy sessions are helping you :)
Yes, I do see how the Adam to now 6000 year realization is affecting you
 
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