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[Jay Ross]

No, I never said in the distant future. The Armageddon event will take place before the end of 2037.

Parable of the fig tree generation 1967 + 70 years = 2037 Jesus will return not later than the end of 2037

Sorry Douggg, your understanding of the Fig Tree prophecy gives a very different outcome.

Matt 24:32-33: - 32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!"

The starting point for this prophecy is when the fig tree branches have become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. When did the Fig Tree begin to bud leaves? It is my view that this occurred in 1948 when the nation of Israel claimed possession of a portion of the Land of Canaan in 1948. Now leaves begin to bud at the beginning of the spring season, and the start of Spring depends on whether or not Spring is early or late. Now the length of the spring season is around 91 days and if we add how many days before the end of the winter season, the branches become tender and the leaves bud, in what is often called the Early Spring period, we could possibly add another five day to the 91 days and end up with 96 days between when the leaves bud and the actual summer season begins. So, adding 96 years on the basis of a year for a day, to 1948, we come to the year 2044 AD for the start of the Seventh Age.

Now your claim that Jesus will return around the year 2044 AD, using my interpretation of the Fig Tree prophecy, is not, from my understanding of scripture, supported. It is also my understanding that the Isaiah 24:21-22 prophecy will occur around the year 2044 AD, and that the third and the fourth ages of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children will also end in the year around 2044 AD.

2044 AD is also the year that the Daniel 8:13-14 trampling prophecy concludes as well when the 2,300 years prophecy comes to its completion, after which all of Israel will be saved.

Now with the judgement of the Kings of the earth on the earth at Armageddon and the Judgement of the Heavenly Hosts in Heaven, with the respective outcomes being that both the judged kings of the earth and the heavenly hosts will be imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment. Now, in Rev 20:1-3 we learn that the many days will in fact be for 1,000 years.

Now around 2044, there will be a fleeting visitation of Christ to take Israel as His Bride as He foretold in Matthew 25:1-13. In this parable we are not told where the Banqueting Hall is, but we are told that the door will be shut tight after the bridegroom enters the banqueting Hall.

Now we are told in Hebrews 12:24 that Jesus is the new mediator for us and in Hebrews 9:15 that Jesus is the mediator of the refurbished Covenant.

Now, there is a 1,000 year period where then is no Satan, or beast or False Prophet to interfere in the Great harvest of Souls for the God's Everlasting Kingdom. The only interference during this 1,000 years period will be from Satan's Good and Faithful Servants whom he has given large sums of money to in the Parable of the talents to three servants and ten Minas to ten servants expecting all of his servants to trade with the money he had given them.

Now it is my understanding that Jesus does not return to the face of the earth permanently until he comes once more on the Clouds of heaven with all of the heavenly Hosts to judge the peoples of the earth just after the Beast, the False Prophet and Satan have all been dispatched into the lake of fire after they have risen up out of the Bottomless pit.

Douggg, you have not provided any proof that my understanding is in error. All that you have done is just provided your opinion to that effect that I am wrong.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

Now your claim that Jesus will return around the year 2044 AD, using my interpretation of the Fig Tree prophecy, is not, from my understanding of scripture, supported.

Jay, what I wrote that is Jesus will return not later than the end of 2037. The 2044 is your stuff.

1967 is the year that the Jews regained possession of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the fit tree in the parable because that last week of Jesus's time here on earth, Jesus as the disciples were on their way to entering Jerusalem, Jesus seeing a fig tree beside the road sought fruit from it - but it was not season yet for fruit - so Jesus cursed the fig tree.

When Jesus and the disciples came back out of Jerusalem, the disciples were amazed that the fig tree had withered up and died so quickly.

That generation of Jerusalem produced no fruit in its response to Jesus's teachings. And after Jesus leaving this world, was destroyed by the Romans and the Jews scattered into the nations.

Now that the Jews are back in possession of Jerusalem - the parable of the fig tree generation began in 1967.

The length of a generation from Psalms 90:10 is three score and ten - i.e. 70 years.

So, 1967 + 70 = 2037. Therefore, Jesus will return not later than the end of 2037. Could be earlier, and likely to be earlier.

 

[Douggg]

2044 AD is also the year that the Daniel 8:13-14 trampling prophecy concludes as well when the 2,300 years prophecy comes to its completion, after which all of Israel will be saved.

It is 2300 days in Daniel 8:13-14. Not years.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, what I wrote that is Jesus will return not later than the end of 2037. The 2044 is your stuff.

1967 is the year that the Jews regained possession of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the fit tree in the parable because that last week of Jesus's time here on earth, Jesus as the disciples were on their way to entering Jerusalem, Jesus seeing a fig tree beside the road sought fruit from it - but it was not season yet for fruit - so Jesus cursed the fig tree.

When Jesus and the disciples came back out of Jerusalem, the disciples were amazed that the fig tree had withered up and died so quickly.

That generation of Jerusalem produced no fruit in its response to Jesus's teachings. And after Jesus leaving this world, was destroyed by the Romans and the Jews scattered into the nations.

Now that the Jews are back in possession of Jerusalem - the parable of the fig tree generation began in 1967.

The length of a generation from Psalms 90:10 is three score and ten - i.e. 70 years.

So, 1967 + 70 = 2037. Therefore, Jesus will return not later than the end of 2037. Could be earlier, and likely to be earlier.

Douggg, you have hung your timeline off of the wrong sign post.

 

[Jay Ross]

It is 2300 days in Daniel 8:13-14. Not years.

Douggg the Israelites have been trampled from around 250 BC and up to and including the year 2044 AD by the Little Horn and the Armies he has been given to do so.

If as you say that the trampling of God's earthly host was for only 2,300 days, then the Israelites would not be being trampled at this present time. We know that the trampling is continuing to happen presently while Israel is living in the land of Canaan.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, you have hung your timeline off of the wrong sign post.

Start by reading Mark 11:12-13. Then go to Mark 11:19-20.

Then read Matthew 21:18-20

The leaves tender, in the parable, refers to when the Jews first regained possession of Jerusalem in 1967. The counting of the 70 years for a generation begins then.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg the Israelites have been trampled from around 250 BC and up to and including the year 2044 AD by the Little Horn and the Armies he has been given to do so.

If as you say that the trampling of God's earthly host was for only 2,300 days, then the Israelites would not be being trampled at this present time. We know that the trampling is continuing to happen presently while Israel is living in the land of Canaan.

The vision is of the little horns activities is for 2300 days. Since the little horns activities in the vision begins with the stopping of the daily sacrifice, the daily sacrifice has to be begin again ( has not be done since the first century).

So 2300 days is from the beginning again of the daily sacrifice to the day that Jesus returns.

The temple, necessary of the daily sacrifices to begin again, will be built in the 7 months following Gog/Magog.

 

[Jay Ross]

Start by reading Mark 11:12-13. Then go to Mark 11:19-20.

Then read Matthew 21:18-20

The leaves tender, in the parable, refers to when the Jews first regained possession of Jerusalem in 1967. The counting of the 70 years for a generation begins then.

Douggg, that is your opinion as to what is meant in Matthew 24:32-33 and linking it to when Israel regained Jerusalem, but they have not yet regained control of the Temple mount. But some of Abraham's descendants did return to the land of Canaan in their own strength in 1948. That event is more in keeping with the Fig Tree, a metaphor for Israel, began to bud leaves once more.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, that is your opinion as to what is meant in Matthew 24:32-33 and linking it to when Israel regained Jerusalem, but they have not yet regained control of the Temple mount. But some of Abraham's descendants did return to the land of Canaan in their own strength in 1948. That event is more in keeping with the Fig Tree, a metaphor for Israel, began to bud leaves once more.

Jay, 1948 did fulfill certain bible prophecies. And many considered 1948 as the base year for the parable of the fig tree generation that would see Jesus's return after the 7 years 70th week.

Here was the thinking...

1948 + 70 years = 2018. minus 7 years for the 70th week, meant that the confirming of the covenant and the start of the 70th week would be before the end of 2011.

Well, 2011 came and went and nothing happened. Also 2018 came and went. So the basis of Israel becoming a nation again back in the land as being the fig tree in the parable - was disproved.

 

[ewq1938]

Jay, 1948 did fulfill certain bible prophecies. And many considered 1948 as the base year for the parable of the fig tree generation that would see Jesus's return after the 7 years 70th week.

Here was the thinking...

1948 + 70 years = 2018. minus 7 years for the 70th week, meant that the confirming of the covenant and the start of the 70th week would be before the end of 2011.

Well, 2011 came and went and nothing happened. Also 2018 came and went. So the basis of Israel becoming a nation again back in the land as being the fig tree in the parable - was disproved.

That's because the parable of the figtree has nothing to do with Israel becoming a nations again, nor related to anything in 1967. It has nothing at all to do with any year of any event at all. The generation has nothing to do with how long a generation is either. All it is saying is the people/generation that witness the signs of the end, will see the second coming. It has nothing at all to do with Israel or math of years or anything.

Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Clearly this has nothing to do with 1948 or 1967 or Israel. He is speaking of all trees, when they shoot forth then summer is near which is the kingdom of God ie: the second coming. What he is saying is there are signs that people will see that will tell them when Great Tribulation and the second coming are near. It has nothing at all to do with Israel, not in 1948, 1967 or any year. It's not about only the fig tree. It's about how all trees behave when spring begins. They begin to come back to life and start growing and sprouting! It's a wonderful time of year! We are currently in the winter prophetically. We are looking for the signs of sprouting which is progression but progression of end times events. We need to be looking for the Revelation 13 events of two beasts and those global changes. Many of the "sprouting signs" are also found in the Olivet Discourse.


Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Summer here is when Christ returns. There are signs of a coming summer in the spring, just after winter has ended. Winter is the dark time of the Great Tribulation. Spring is the ending of winter, the ending of the Great Tribulation. There are certain events that will tell us that Christ's return is near, like when the two prophets are killed and 3.5 days later resurrect. The second coming happens the day they ascend into heaven.

Winter = the main time of the Great Tribulation
Spring = trees start to blossom, Summer is near, the Great Tribulation will soon end.
Summer = the second coming happens and the thousand years/Millennium