Longest lockdowns in the world continue for 2 cases
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U must think im lying when i say that all my family and friends are suffering from this plandemic hoax...
I know of 2 people who have committed suicide and 2 others that have attempted it...
I know almost 10 families that are being forced to keep digging deeper holes of debt...
I know 3 families that have forfeited their mortgages, now either living with friends, caravan park and/or applied for government housing...
I know 3 single people who are homeless now, living out of their cars... (me too in a couple months)
I know 2 people that have been incarcerated for nothing...
I know countless people who have had so much taken away from them, what they've worked so hard for including their futures...
But you don't care about people here. Only thing you care about is standing by your man Dan through thick and thin, for better or for worse...
Your so deeply entrenched that you've put Dan above liberty, church, democracy, freedom, facts...
Advocating for a dictatorship over democracy, Dan's word over God Word, pubs and injecting homes over church and freedom
I know of 2 people who have committed suicide and 2 others that have attempted it...
I know almost 10 families that are being forced to keep digging deeper holes of debt...
I know 3 families that have forfeited their mortgages, now either living with friends, caravan park and/or applied for government housing...
I know 3 single people who are homeless now, living out of their cars... (me too in a couple months)
I know 2 people that have been incarcerated for nothing...
I know countless people who have had so much taken away from them, what they've worked so hard for including their futures...
But you don't care about people here. Only thing you care about is standing by your man Dan through thick and thin, for better or for worse...
Your so deeply entrenched that you've put Dan above liberty, church, democracy, freedom, facts...
Advocating for a dictatorship over democracy, Dan's word over God Word, pubs and injecting homes over church and freedom
Covid is no hoax.
But....
I have no doubt people are suffering both ways whether if it's mental health or from Covid, but there was a mental health problem even before the pandemic began.
What about kids who are bullied at school? I am sure some of them have mental health problems.... What are adults who are bullied at work? I am sure some of them have mental health problems. And there are plenty of other people who suffer from mental health problems, even the pressures of everyday life can turn into stress and then depression. Pandemic or no pandemic many people suffer from mental health.
I am not denying that the lockdown had any effects, of course it did, but it was a different group of people effected to those who are usually effected in normal times.
So say we had no lockdown, no or loose restrictions and a few hundred thousand active cases, would there still have been a bigger mental health problem then pre-pandemic?
I mean we must think about the older people, and even the baby boomers, these are people's parents, uncles, aunties, reletives and people's close friends. So with no restrictions or very loose restrictions, more people lose more of the people they love. Does it effect the mental health of some? Of course it does.
Look at the countries where there have been high covid death tolls, USA, Brazil, India, Mexico, UK, Italy, France, Spain. The hundreds of thousands of deaths from these nations combined have effected millions of people who loved them, and has no doubt took an emotional toll on many. Could you imagine how hard it would be for those that have lost their parents and grandparents in those countries, especially in India, Mexico and Brazil?
@Cristo Rei
On another note.
Pubs? I don't even drink. I would rather those beer joints throw their liquor out.
Unlike Dan I think more people should be allowed to go to a Church service than the pub. I know he is playing it safe, but as our Premier of our state, he should at least treat indoor gatherings at public places equally, if 20 people are allowed inside a pub, 20 people should be allowed inside a Church.
But we must remember secular governments will do secular things in secular countries.
On another note.
Pubs? I don't even drink. I would rather those beer joints throw their liquor out.
Unlike Dan I think more people should be allowed to go to a Church service than the pub. I know he is playing it safe, but as our Premier of our state, he should at least treat indoor gatherings at public places equally, if 20 people are allowed inside a pub, 20 people should be allowed inside a Church.
But we must remember secular governments will do secular things in secular countries.
It's not a pandemic, we don't have widespread death... Hoax...
We don't have people collapsing in the street like they showed in Wuhan... Hoax...
It's deadly as the Spanish flu... Hoax...
Lower total deaths than previous years... Hoax...
Experts being censored... Hoax...
They refuse to discuss anything instead declaring their science infallible... Hoax...
PCR testing shows positive for flu and cold as well... Hoax...
Cures like HDQ and Ivervectum suddenly taken off the market... Hoax...
The Gates foundation owns a patent for covid... Hoax
They simulated this pandemic a year ago... Hoax...
They predicted this pandemic... Hoax
Their invested in big pharma... Hoax...
oh lockdown just for 2 weeks to flatten the curve... Hoax...
Hospitals are over run... Hoax...
35 weeks later, no cases and we're still locked down...Hoax...
We need to force vax everyone now... Hoax...
We need to install more surveillance and tracking systems... Hoax...
We need to change to whole system now... Hoax...
Life will never be the same... Hoax...
I can go on and on and on... Hoax...
There may me a new strain of flu which they've called covid-19...
Everything else about it is a hoax... Many lines of reasoning and measures of truth...
And iv been prepared to concede from the start, if it all goes back to normal without forcing needles on us then i have no problem admitting i was wrong...
How would u know if u were wrong? Your simply hoping that Dan leads you the right way.
U have no measure of truth, no lines of reasoning... U should draw a line in the sand to keep from becoming entrenched...
So it's ok that our lives are being sacrificed instead of yours... Why exactly???
Cos it was a different group of people effected to those who are usually effected in normal times.
First of all, who are "usually affected" in normal times? Affected by what? And which group do u think is being affected now?
The sick elderly were the usually affected and are still now...
The middle and lower classes are usually affected and are still now...
What kind of heartless argument is that... Its ok for this group of people to suffer so long as its not us... And they say we're in this together... What total crap... Stay home for 8 months then come and talk to me...
And whats this rubbish...
Your argument seems to be that because mental health issues already existed it makes it fine to push even more people over the edge...
Like hey so what, people were already committing suicide so it doesn't matter if more of them die...
Why not then apply the same logic to covid... Hundreds of 80 year olds die of flu like symptoms every year.
They've exceeded life expectancy and lived long lives... Why all the fuss then if a few more old timers die...
There you go... A disagreement and even a criticism of Dan with the use of logic... That's a more reasonable approach...
Why do u feel the need to always defend him on every front? U just come across as a political robot like... Heartless as well
If 20 people are allowed in a bar then off course it should be the same for Church... I dunno why u didn't just agree on that to begin with.
Arguing for the decision to keep Church's closed while opening pubs was a fairly big wow in my book...
Another massive wow is the justification of tyranny... To replace the democratic Westminster system for a one party dictator in Victoria... Especially in hindsight...
Only a hardcore Socialist could advocate for this...
Religion and democracy are two of my firmest beliefs, their like huge rocks, the foundation of myself, my character... No wind or flood or covid or anything can budge those rocks... So i find it sad that people like yourself have so easily compromised your beliefs, like they were on sand, and elevated government above all...
So let me get this right, I must believe that the pandemic is a hoax or I am in the wrong?
And what I meant by different group of people then usual, it seems to be usually the introverted that suffer mental health issues in normal times, but when the lockdown happened extroverted people were lockdowned too, and I can understand how hard it must been for extroverts.
And of course they all matter, they are all human lives after all.
But can we really blame a lockdown for this? It's a change in society we need to drop the suicide rate, as I said to you before in a PM, society is full of rejection, people get pushed aside, left out and rejected all the time.
This is major part of the cause of mental health issues in Australia, it is of course not the only cause though, but it is definitely one of the main ones.
As for lockdowns and restrictions, what more could have, should have been done to look after the mental wellbeing of people? What more could have Dan done?
I will let you answer that first.
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LoL... Noo thats not what i said... You believe this is just about covid, right, that our health is their main priority and nothing more...
Do u accept that you might be wrong like i do? If so how would you know u were wrong?
Well lets see... Suicides have gone up since lockdowns started and calls to mental health lines are up by 800% i think i read...
Unless there is another explanation than yes, we can blame these lockdowns for this.
Epidemiologists say that there is no science behind lockdowns and even the WHO now says that lockdowns are the wrong way to deal with it...
First thing is first he shouldn't of allowed his thirst for power to cloud his mind.
He should of done what all the other states did and stuck with our democratic system and Victoria would of been fine just like the rest of OZ...
But no... Dans dictatorial powers have always been more important than anything else...
I do trust the Aussie health system on this decision to enter a lockdown in the first place though, I honestly still believe that they were weighing up what was better for keeping Aussies safe.
819 covid deaths, if no lockdown took place, this figure could have been up by more than 2000%. 100% more than 819 is 1638.
And say if that suicide rate was still up 800%, all of a sudden there is an even greater number of unneccesary deaths and lives lost.
So there is a massive risk, if Dan decided to go without a lockdown, it's risk, risk either way.
U asked...
And i answered it directly expecting u to respond to it...
First thing is first he shouldn't of allowed his thirst for power to cloud his mind.
He should of done what all the other states did and stuck with our democratic system and Victoria would of been fine just like the rest of OZ...
But no... Dans dictatorial powers have always been more important than anything else...
But u didn't respond... Dan should of stuck with democracy, right???
Just like every other state did in March... true???
And i answered it directly expecting u to respond to it...
First thing is first he shouldn't of allowed his thirst for power to cloud his mind.
He should of done what all the other states did and stuck with our democratic system and Victoria would of been fine just like the rest of OZ...
But no... Dans dictatorial powers have always been more important than anything else...
But u didn't respond... Dan should of stuck with democracy, right???
Just like every other state did in March... true???
No other state had a state of emergency 6 month limit like Victoria, Victoria was the only state to have such a limit.
Fact check, nope they are not
Greater Melbourne's population density
- 508.175/km2
Greater Sydney's population density
- 423/km2
Now if we are talking about CBDs the difference is even far greater in Melbourne CBD compared to Sydney CBD
Melbourne CBD's population density - 26,420/km2
Sydney CBD's population density - 6,160/km2
Ye i know that... So whats your point... Andrews was the only state premier to do it... Does your explanation justify that? How so?
So why did we have an unneccessary 6 month limit when no other state did?
And it can be justified by our state being the worst effected.
Did he? Nope, in the middle of the 2nd wave I showed a poll, where a majority supported his actions on managing the 2nd wave.
We are not really in a lockdown anymore though, you can now leave home for any reason within 25km while obeying the rules still in place like capacity limits, social distancing and mask wearing, you are free to fish with a mask on within 25km of your home, you are free to play golf within 25km with your mask on, you are free to kick a footy in the park within 25km, there are now plenty of freedoms, you are now free to even have a picnic, you are free to even visit a friend's or reletive's place, so there are plenty of freedoms, I would no longer call it a lockdown.
No it wasn't... Not on March the 13th when he first took it.
Not on April 13th when he took another month
Not on May 13th when he took another month
Not even on June 13th, when the curve had been flat for a month, yet he still took the powers again... Thats greed...
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