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David in NJ
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In Luke 1:45 we find these Three Eternal Truths.
#1 The LORD spoke.
#2 The LORD is the ONE who performed the Work = see Hebrews 10:1-7
#3 Mary, like Rahab the harlot, both believed the Word of God and were both blessed the SAME = with Salvation.
***** Rahab and Mary are recorded in the lineage of Christ *****
Rahab, the harlot, is mentioned in the Hall of Faith = Hebrews 11
Do you know who is not mentioned in the Hall of Faith??? - Mary
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Webers_Home
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There's plenty of textual evidence in the Bible to substantiate that Mary's
son was perfectly sinless, e.g. John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet
2:22. But I have yet to discover a single passage in the Bible substantiating
Rome's claim that Jesus' mom was perfectly sinless. I'm not saying there are
no passages, just that I myself have yet to discover any.
Some have attempted to use the phrase "full of grace" from the Douay
Rheims version of Luke 1:28 to prove Jesus' mom was sinless but that's
futile nowadays because Rome no longer uses that translation. The new
Catholic Bible translates it like this:
“Hail, favored one."
The Greek verb translated "favored" is located in only one other place in the
New Testament and that's at Eph 1:5-6 where it says:
"He destined us for adoption to Himself through Jesus Christ, in accord with
the favor of His will, for the praise of the glory of His grace that He granted
us in the beloved."
In other words: the recipients of God's adoption are just as much favored as
Jesus' mom was favored.
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There's plenty of textual evidence in the Bible to substantiate that Mary's
son was perfectly sinless, e.g. John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet
2:22. But I have yet to discover a single passage in the Bible substantiating
Rome's claim that Jesus' mom was perfectly sinless. I'm not saying there are
no passages, just that I myself have yet to discover any.
Some have attempted to use the phrase "full of grace" from the Douay
Rheims version of Luke 1:28 to prove Jesus' mom was sinless but that's
futile nowadays because Rome no longer uses that translation. The new
Catholic Bible translates it like this:
“Hail, favored one."
The Greek verb translated "favored" is located in only one other place in the
New Testament and that's at Eph 1:5-6 where it says:
"He destined us for adoption to Himself through Jesus Christ, in accord with
the favor of His will, for the praise of the glory of His grace that He granted
us in the beloved."
In other words: the recipients of God's adoption are just as much favored as
Jesus' mom was favored.
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David in NJ
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The Scriptural evidence is overwhelming, from Genesis to Revelation = ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
Scripture cannot lie and that is why no one will ever find a verse that even remotely ascends Mary as sinless.
We only become sinless in Christ = after we come to Him and He washes us in His Precious Blood.
David in NJ
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Your question was answered in the most Beautiful, Rich and BLESSED way to the GLORY and PRAISE of the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT.
Your idolatry blinds you
gen 3:15 enmity total war none of works are found in Mary
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Lk 1:49 “things plural” the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus
rev 12:1 clothed with the sun immaculate purity
no I want to know if Lord not all caps in Lk 1:45 refers to God
keep your automatic fundamentalist reaction out of it
I know it’s difficult for you cos yo a fundamentalist Mary must equal idol and idolatry
But try and see if you can get past it for once and be reasonable
David in NJ
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And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Mary was not 'full of grace" = this is blasphemy, you are on the path which leads to destruction
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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I have yet to discover a single solitary verse in the Bible that clearly and
without ambiguity, solidly substantiates Mary's alleged immaculate
conception; not one: it is entirely a proprietary Church fantasy.
In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX
pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of
her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of
the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved
exempt from all stain of original sin."
Whence did Pius IX get that? Not from the Bible, rather, he reasoned it into
print by means of conflation. In other words; in Pius IX's thinking, since
Jesus was 110% sinless, then by association his mother must've been 110%
sinless too.
Pius IX's reasoning totally disregards the scriptural fact that Jesus Christ's
conception was neither normal nor natural, i.e. his was a miraculous
conception performed by the hand of God.
• Luke 1:35 . . And the angel said to her in reply: The holy Spirit will come
upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore
the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
God didn't need a spotless mother for His son, He only needed a mother;
anything else His son should have; God provided Himself.
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I have yet to discover a single solitary verse in the Bible that clearly and
without ambiguity, solidly substantiates Mary's alleged immaculate
conception; not one: it is entirely a proprietary Church fantasy.
In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX
pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of
her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of
the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved
exempt from all stain of original sin."
Whence did Pius IX get that? Not from the Bible, rather, he reasoned it into
print by means of conflation. In other words; in Pius IX's thinking, since
Jesus was 110% sinless, then by association his mother must've been 110%
sinless too.
Pius IX's reasoning totally disregards the scriptural fact that Jesus Christ's
conception was neither normal nor natural, i.e. his was a miraculous
conception performed by the hand of God.
• Luke 1:35 . . And the angel said to her in reply: The holy Spirit will come
upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore
the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
God didn't need a spotless mother for His son, He only needed a mother;
anything else His son should have; God provided Himself.
_
from Jesus Christ in the deposit of faith Jude 1:3
Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Holy mother of God!
Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Biblical principle:
Anything Consecrated to God must be pure and used only for the purpose of serving God!
See exodus: the ark of the covenant, everything used in the temple etc.
Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”
Mary and her virginity are Consecrated to God in immaculate purity, the pure gold of divine love!
Mary was the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone!
Can a man use the ark of the covenant for a common dinner table?
Then Joseph can in no any way use Mary for a common wife!
No mere man may enter where God conceived! Ez 44:2
Mary would not consent to God’s will and to receive the exalted dignity of the mother of God if it means violating her vow of perpetual virginity then why simply consent relations with Joseph!
That’s impossible!
Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s that Mary is consecrated to God alone! and has taken a vow of perpetual virginity! She was s willing to refuse even the exalted dignity of mother of God, the mother of our savior, and mother of all Christians if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
She consented to our salvation when she realized it would not violate her vow of perpetual virginity!
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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I have yet to discover even one solitary verse in the Bible that clearly,
solidly, and without ambiguity, substantiates claims that Jesus' mom took
a vow of perpetual virginity.
On the contrary, Since Mary was already engaged to Joseph prior to
Gabriel's announcement; the logical conclusion is that she was marrying a
Jewish guy for the usual reasons that Jewish girls wanted a Jewish husband
- to settle down, cohabit with a Jewish man, and raise a Jewish family.
And since Joseph was already engaged to Mary prior to the dream sequence,
the logical conclusion is that he was marrying a Jewish girl for the usual
reasons that Jewish guys wanted a Jewish wife-- to settle down, cohabit with
a Jewish woman, and raise a Jewish family.
Since the inspired Gospel narratives do not clearly, conclusively, and without
ambiguity indicate otherwise, it has to be assumed, from the normal round
of Jewish experience, that those two Jewish adults fully intended to sleep
together after their wedding just like every other normal Jewish couple did
back then.
A very serious ethnic point worth emphasizing is that Joseph was Abraham's
posterity. God early-on blessed them with this promise:
• Gen 22:17 . . In blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply
thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea
shore.
Had Joseph not attempted to produce children of his own with his wife, he
would have failed to participate in Abraham's blessing and do his part in
perpetuating his ancestor's seed. In other words: it was Joseph's sacred
privilege, and his sacred duty, to make an honest attempt to have children
with whomever he might marry, including Jesus' mom.
_
I have yet to discover even one solitary verse in the Bible that clearly,
solidly, and without ambiguity, substantiates claims that Jesus' mom took
a vow of perpetual virginity.
On the contrary, Since Mary was already engaged to Joseph prior to
Gabriel's announcement; the logical conclusion is that she was marrying a
Jewish guy for the usual reasons that Jewish girls wanted a Jewish husband
- to settle down, cohabit with a Jewish man, and raise a Jewish family.
And since Joseph was already engaged to Mary prior to the dream sequence,
the logical conclusion is that he was marrying a Jewish girl for the usual
reasons that Jewish guys wanted a Jewish wife-- to settle down, cohabit with
a Jewish woman, and raise a Jewish family.
Since the inspired Gospel narratives do not clearly, conclusively, and without
ambiguity indicate otherwise, it has to be assumed, from the normal round
of Jewish experience, that those two Jewish adults fully intended to sleep
together after their wedding just like every other normal Jewish couple did
back then.
A very serious ethnic point worth emphasizing is that Joseph was Abraham's
posterity. God early-on blessed them with this promise:
• Gen 22:17 . . In blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply
thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea
shore.
Had Joseph not attempted to produce children of his own with his wife, he
would have failed to participate in Abraham's blessing and do his part in
perpetuating his ancestor's seed. In other words: it was Joseph's sacred
privilege, and his sacred duty, to make an honest attempt to have children
with whomever he might marry, including Jesus' mom.
_
no there’s was a spiritual marrige sacrificing the lower good to bring about our salvation a higher good
Isa 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
(Immaculate conception of Mary without sin or the birth pang effects of sin)
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. (Spiritual children rev 12:17)
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. (Perpetual virgin)
10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory. (Grace)
12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees. (Her son the prince of peace)
13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
(Mother of our salvation)
Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”
Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
(Mary had become the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)
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Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Holy mother of God!
Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Biblical principle:
Anything Consecrated to God must be pure and used only for the purpose of serving God!
See exodus: the ark of the covenant, everything used in the temple etc.
Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”
Mary and her virginity are Consecrated to God in immaculate purity, the pure gold of divine love!
Mary was the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone!
Can a man use the ark of the covenant for a common dinner table?
Then Joseph can in no any way use Mary for a common wife!
No mere man may enter where God conceived! Ez 44:2
Mary would not consent to God’s will and to receive the exalted dignity of the mother of God if it means violating her vow of perpetual virginity then why simply consent relations with Joseph!
That’s impossible!
Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s that Mary is consecrated to God alone! and has taken a vow of perpetual virginity! She was s willing to refuse even the exalted dignity of mother of God, the mother of our savior, and mother of all Christians if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
She consented to our salvation when she realized it would not violate her vow of perpetual virginity!
Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Holy mother of God!
Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Biblical principle:
Anything Consecrated to God must be pure and used only for the purpose of serving God!
See exodus: the ark of the covenant, everything used in the temple etc.
Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”
Mary and her virginity are Consecrated to God in immaculate purity, the pure gold of divine love!
Mary was the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone!
Can a man use the ark of the covenant for a common dinner table?
Then Joseph can in no any way use Mary for a common wife!
No mere man may enter where God conceived! Ez 44:2
Mary would not consent to God’s will and to receive the exalted dignity of the mother of God if it means violating her vow of perpetual virginity then why simply consent relations with Joseph!
That’s impossible!
Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s that Mary is consecrated to God alone! and has taken a vow of perpetual virginity! She was s willing to refuse even the exalted dignity of mother of God, the mother of our savior, and mother of all Christians if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
She consented to our salvation when she realized it would not violate her vow of perpetual virginity!
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Mary was never sinless = lie = idolatry
Mary is not the first woman to deliver child without pain. My wife delivered two of our children that way.
You quote Scripture corruptly by seeking to apply them to Mary when they do not.
You are blaspheming by doing this and will spend eternity apart from the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you stay on this sinful path of twisting Scripture unto you own damnation.
Your sinful worship of Mary has caused you to become unstable in your mind and heart = turn to the LORD Jesus who ALONE can save you.
The Apostle Peter warns you to repent before it's too late.
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office… - Romans 11:13
If the Apostle Paul was declared the Apostle of the Gentiles why did he not refer the first time to a queen in heaven or a Virgin Mary?
David in NJ
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And the woman of Rev 12 is not Mary - never was and never will be.
Bruce Atkinson
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One can choose what to believe and what not to believe in Gods' Word. One can believe 'embellishments' to His Word as well, if they choose.
Let's look at the word 'rock' as used in the Bible. It's used in a total of 119 times in 106 verses in the KJV. In every occurrence, except ONE (according to the Roman Catholic Church) the word 'rock' is used to denote, in the physical sense, a very large stone, mountain, etc; or, spiritually, it refers to God (aka Lord in the OT) or Jesus in the NT. Here's a few of the 106 verses -
Old Testament -
Exodus 17:6 Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
2 Samuel 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
2 Samuel 22:3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
Psalms 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psalms 31:3 For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.
Psalms 62:2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.
New Testament
Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (all quotes from the KJV, underlining mine)
That one exception? Matthew 16:18, of course...
Mathew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (KJV)
One has to ask: why would God deviate from the 105 other verses that use Rock to describe a physical rock or God? The Roman Catholic Church claims that 'the church' referenced here is the RCC and Peter was its beginning. If that were true, what about the rest of the verse? and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Funny, it would seem that Satan got a 'piece' of Peter not long thereafter -
Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (KJV)
Now tell me that Jesus was somehow equating Peter to Himself or God the Father!
Concerning idolatry -
Galatians 5:19-21 (KJV)
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
It's easy to zip right past the word 'adultery' as fornication is a part of adjutery. Some Bible translations water down verse 19 by removing the reference to adultery. But consider this: not only is the use of adultery referring to marital adultery, but also spiritual adultery as well! Wouldn't the 'deification' of Mary by the RCC constitute spiritual adultery? What about the 2nd commandment?
Exodus 20:4-5 (KJV)
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Mary is in heaven, right? Why ISN'T all the statues and 'shrines' of Mary NOT spiritual adultery?
Now throw in Pope Francis' actively 'joining' with Muslims to form a 'new' religion? What about his pointing Catholics to worship 'Mother Earth' in recent years as well?
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. (KJV) (underlining mine)
To paraphrase Joshua: but as for me and my house, we will believe Gods' Word!
Let's look at the word 'rock' as used in the Bible. It's used in a total of 119 times in 106 verses in the KJV. In every occurrence, except ONE (according to the Roman Catholic Church) the word 'rock' is used to denote, in the physical sense, a very large stone, mountain, etc; or, spiritually, it refers to God (aka Lord in the OT) or Jesus in the NT. Here's a few of the 106 verses -
Old Testament -
Exodus 17:6 Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
2 Samuel 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
2 Samuel 22:3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
Psalms 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psalms 31:3 For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.
Psalms 62:2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.
New Testament
Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (all quotes from the KJV, underlining mine)
That one exception? Matthew 16:18, of course...
Mathew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (KJV)
One has to ask: why would God deviate from the 105 other verses that use Rock to describe a physical rock or God? The Roman Catholic Church claims that 'the church' referenced here is the RCC and Peter was its beginning. If that were true, what about the rest of the verse? and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Funny, it would seem that Satan got a 'piece' of Peter not long thereafter -
Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (KJV)
Now tell me that Jesus was somehow equating Peter to Himself or God the Father!
Concerning idolatry -
Galatians 5:19-21 (KJV)
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
It's easy to zip right past the word 'adultery' as fornication is a part of adjutery. Some Bible translations water down verse 19 by removing the reference to adultery. But consider this: not only is the use of adultery referring to marital adultery, but also spiritual adultery as well! Wouldn't the 'deification' of Mary by the RCC constitute spiritual adultery? What about the 2nd commandment?
Exodus 20:4-5 (KJV)
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Mary is in heaven, right? Why ISN'T all the statues and 'shrines' of Mary NOT spiritual adultery?
Now throw in Pope Francis' actively 'joining' with Muslims to form a 'new' religion? What about his pointing Catholics to worship 'Mother Earth' in recent years as well?
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. (KJV) (underlining mine)
To paraphrase Joshua: but as for me and my house, we will believe Gods' Word!
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