Luke was not an apostle?
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Mantis
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While he was not an apostle, he was a Hellenistic Jew -- not a Gentile -- who was chosen to write two books of the New Testament. See this article for detailed information. Hellenistic Jews were those who lived outside Judea and were very proficient in Greek.
Was The Writer Luke a Jew or Gentile? – APOSTOLIC INFORMATION SERVICE
Brakelite
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ChristisGod
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Grailhunter
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Ya Mark and Luke and James were not part of the original twelve Apostles. Mark and Luke were under Peter and Paul's instruction, respectively.
And there are different ways to define what an apostle is.
From their perspective....One of the first twelve chosen. Or one who knew Yeshua and walked with him, under His direct instruction, and an authoritative leader in the Christian community.
Or named an Apostle, by the Apostles. For example; They cast lots between Barsabbas and Matthias, to replace Judas.
Paul got his apostleship through his conversion experience.
All of which had to live in the biblical era.
For example the early church leaders considered Mark and Luke Apostles, but were not known as Apostles themselves.
And there are different ways to define what an apostle is.
From their perspective....One of the first twelve chosen. Or one who knew Yeshua and walked with him, under His direct instruction, and an authoritative leader in the Christian community.
Or named an Apostle, by the Apostles. For example; They cast lots between Barsabbas and Matthias, to replace Judas.
Paul got his apostleship through his conversion experience.
All of which had to live in the biblical era.
For example the early church leaders considered Mark and Luke Apostles, but were not known as Apostles themselves.
Hello Enoch,
Doing a search found this,
Although Luke is considered likely to have been a gentile Christian, some scholars believe him to have been a Hellenized Jew. The phrase could just as easily be used to differentiate between those Christians who strictly observed the rituals of Judaism and those who did not.
It looks like it simply a matter of opinion on that note and thank you for bringing it here to my attention, sir.
Dropship
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Luke was a great truthseeker..:)
"Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught." (Luke 1:1-4)
"Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught." (Luke 1:1-4)
Hello brakelite,
There is not much known about this person, sir.
Simon the Zealot - Wikipedia
Considering Jesus chose him as an apostle he was a Jewish person, perhaps he lived in that area of Canaan - Abraham lived there for a little while (I think).
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Did not know that before Grail, thank you for pointing these things out.
That is right Dropship, you are right about him being a great truth seeker and he decided to write down the Gospel for us, Luke’s gospel is a fantastic edition to the other three, sir.
Ronald Nolette
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That simply says He was from Caanan which was part of Israel. Numerous Jews lived in Caanan and thus were Caanantes
That is incorrect. This was Simon Zelotes or Simon the Zealot.
JAMIESON, FAUSSET AND BROWN COMMENTARY
4. Simon the Canaanite—rather "Kananite," but better still, "the Zealot," as he is called in Lu 6:15, where the original term should not have been retained as in our version ("Simon, called Zelotes"), but rendered "Simon, called the Zealot." The word "Kananite" is just the Aramaic, or Syro-Chaldaic, term for "Zealot." Probably before his acquaintance with Jesus, he belonged to the sect of the Zealots, who bound themselves, as a sort of voluntary ecclesiastical police, to see that the law was not broken with impunity.
Grailhunter
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Hellenistic Jews and the Romans and the pious Jews. What do you think the pious Jews thought of the Hellenistic Jews?
Where does the word Hellenistic come from?…..not from Hell.
So first off, the Greeks did not call themselves Greeks…The Greeks called their land Hellas and themselves Hellenes. It was the Romans who called them Greeks- (Graeci ) and that is the name by which we know them.
What was it like to be a Hellenistic Jew?
Hellenistic Judaism was a form of Judaism in classical antiquity that combined Jewish religious tradition with elements of the Greek culture. As an actual form of Judaism.
That is the definition of Hellenistic Judaism but it is not necessarily the description of Hellenistic Jews. Hellenistic Jews may have retained most of their religious beliefs but adopted part of the Greco-Roman culture and had friendly relationships with and work for or did business with Romans.
They may have married into Roman families and attended Roman schools. Paul was born into a Roman family and probably went to Roman schools but also while he was still fairly young, he was sent to Jerusalem to receive his education at the school of Gamaliel, one of the most noted teachers of Jewish law in history.
So Hellenistic Jew had personal and private and family relationships with the Romans.
Now how this was viewed by other Jews and pious Jews varied depending on the time period.
The Maccabean Revolt occurred between 167-160 BCE and the Roman historians Josephus and Appian refer to the crucifixion of thousands of Jews by the Romans
The Jewish revolt and the Roman siege of Jerusalem occurred between 67 and 73 AD. The Temple was destroyed and most of the city of Jerusalem was destroyed. The loss of the Temple changed Judaism forever. Most of the inhabitants died in battle or were killed in the process. Again numbers vary but maybe up to a million Jews died. During the siege Romans were crucifying Jews…Horrific atrocities! Accounts vary widely, somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 were crucified and then even more died in the arena and most that survived lived as slaves.
So at times it was not good to be a Hellenistic Jew. Your fellow Jews might not think well of you. During the biblical era there were probably some of these feelings going around. For one we can see the attitude towards Matthew while he was still a tax collector for Rome.
Which all in all was the problem that pious Jews had with Roman converts to Christianity….Gentiles. And there is more to that story because the Pagans…the Gentiles did not abandon their culture to be Christian, which iis why we have so many Christianized Pagan customs and holidays within Christianity today. And I am not saying that is a negative.
Now as far as Luke….was he a Jew, a Gentile, or a Hellenistic Jew? Nothing conclusive. We can take the fact that he was referred to as a physician and the fact that all scholars see his works as well written, probably written by his own hand….to mean that he was educated in Roman schools. He was part of the Gentile ministry of Paul. And if you look at the first part of the Gospel of Luke you will see that, that Gospel was written for a Roman friend. So this leans toward the Gentile side of this, but still not ruling out the Hellenistic Jew possibility.
Where does the word Hellenistic come from?…..not from Hell.
So first off, the Greeks did not call themselves Greeks…The Greeks called their land Hellas and themselves Hellenes. It was the Romans who called them Greeks- (Graeci ) and that is the name by which we know them.
What was it like to be a Hellenistic Jew?
Hellenistic Judaism was a form of Judaism in classical antiquity that combined Jewish religious tradition with elements of the Greek culture. As an actual form of Judaism.
That is the definition of Hellenistic Judaism but it is not necessarily the description of Hellenistic Jews. Hellenistic Jews may have retained most of their religious beliefs but adopted part of the Greco-Roman culture and had friendly relationships with and work for or did business with Romans.
They may have married into Roman families and attended Roman schools. Paul was born into a Roman family and probably went to Roman schools but also while he was still fairly young, he was sent to Jerusalem to receive his education at the school of Gamaliel, one of the most noted teachers of Jewish law in history.
So Hellenistic Jew had personal and private and family relationships with the Romans.
Now how this was viewed by other Jews and pious Jews varied depending on the time period.
The Maccabean Revolt occurred between 167-160 BCE and the Roman historians Josephus and Appian refer to the crucifixion of thousands of Jews by the Romans
The Jewish revolt and the Roman siege of Jerusalem occurred between 67 and 73 AD. The Temple was destroyed and most of the city of Jerusalem was destroyed. The loss of the Temple changed Judaism forever. Most of the inhabitants died in battle or were killed in the process. Again numbers vary but maybe up to a million Jews died. During the siege Romans were crucifying Jews…Horrific atrocities! Accounts vary widely, somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 were crucified and then even more died in the arena and most that survived lived as slaves.
So at times it was not good to be a Hellenistic Jew. Your fellow Jews might not think well of you. During the biblical era there were probably some of these feelings going around. For one we can see the attitude towards Matthew while he was still a tax collector for Rome.
Which all in all was the problem that pious Jews had with Roman converts to Christianity….Gentiles. And there is more to that story because the Pagans…the Gentiles did not abandon their culture to be Christian, which iis why we have so many Christianized Pagan customs and holidays within Christianity today. And I am not saying that is a negative.
Now as far as Luke….was he a Jew, a Gentile, or a Hellenistic Jew? Nothing conclusive. We can take the fact that he was referred to as a physician and the fact that all scholars see his works as well written, probably written by his own hand….to mean that he was educated in Roman schools. He was part of the Gentile ministry of Paul. And if you look at the first part of the Gospel of Luke you will see that, that Gospel was written for a Roman friend. So this leans toward the Gentile side of this, but still not ruling out the Hellenistic Jew possibility.
Brakelite
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Brakelite
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It is syncretism and is a form of spiritual adultery and compromise. It is a negative thing. It is manifested in the NT in the beast from the sea of revelation 13. It is a Christian professing entity with elements of paganism infused into it's character. It is Antichrist.
Grailhunter
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Brakelite
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That is the definition of Hellenistic Judaism but it is not necessarily the description of Hellenistic Jews. Hellenistic Jews may have retained most of their religious beliefs but adopted part of the Greco-Roman culture and had friendly relationships with and work for or did business with Romans.
They may have married into Roman families and attended Roman schools.....
so many Christianized Pagan customs and holidays within Christianity today. And I am not saying that is a negative.
Syncretism.
Brakelite
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KJV Revelation 13:2
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority
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