Mary the Queen of Heaven?

[amigo de christo]

The dislike between the Catholics and Protestants have been around a while.
The Protestants link the Catholics to the harlot in Revelation and the Catholics link the Protestants to heretics.
Both sets of Christians have saved Christians in their congregations.
The ones you have to worry about are the OSAS and Universialism and the Jehovah's Witnesses.

i am afraid that list is gonna have to be a bit longer .
SO how about , rather than me having to list every name and everyone attached
I rather just sum it up real easy like f or all to hear .
ANYONE connected to anything ecumeincal inclusive and its intefaith , THEY ALL GOING down on JESUS day .
There is something YOU NEED TO KNOW . so i will bring part of it on the next transmission .

 

[amigo de christo]

The dislike between the Catholics and Protestants have been around a while.
The Protestants link the Catholics to the harlot in Revelation and the Catholics link the Protestants to heretics.
Both sets of Christians have saved Christians in their congregations.
The ones you have to worry about are the OSAS and Universialism and the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Trump says DSA taking over democratic party are godless hardcore communists,​

what would you do if i told you that while what trump said about this party is true
He leads the world and its religions to the same god these godless communists do serve .
In fact
what would you do if i told you that both sides
to include as well protestant leaders as well as rcc leaders
can spout t ruths and yet be leading this ent ire world to the same g od
that even the very side they speak against is also leading their side too .
In fact
what would you do if i told you a delusion has been unleashed
and its gonna take everyone whose hopes and trusts had been in men
to perdition on the day of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST .
what would you say and what would you think
if i told us all the same god that rules the athiest , the agnostic , the false religions ,
and now a lot of even christendom
rules over them all now . and while it pits sides against sides
it only does so to keep them distracted
and yet all the while is pumping a love , and a peace that all will gather under .
And its love and its peace be of that god .
OH its happening .

 

[amigo de christo]

Weep and howl and howl and cry and lie in sackcloth and ashes and repent .
And get up and warn all and procliam to all to get out of anything connected in any way
to anything ecumeincal inclusive and its peace plan . OR the wailing on JESUS day will be yours .

 

[David1701]

That’s NOT what Scripture says, as I showed you. God is NOT subject to time as WE are.
The Lamb who was sacrificed before the foundations of the world. This is the timeless, ETRNAL language that refers to Heaven.

God had already determined that Jesus would be sacrificed, in time, before the foundation of the world; however, the actual sacrifice took place over the course of a few hours, then was accomplished in full. The effects of that are eternal.

That’s NOT what Jesus said . . .

In John 6, Jesus stated in NO uncertain terms:
John 6:53-56
“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you EAT the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do NOT have life within you. “

“Whoever EATS MY FLESH and DRINKS MY BLOOD has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For MY FLESH IS TRUE FOOD, and MY BLOOD IS TRUE DRINK. Whoever EATS MY FLESH and DRINKS MY BLOOD remains in me and I in him.”

Now, note that the usual Greek word used for human eating is “phagon”, however, this is NOT the word used in these passages. John uses the word, “trogon”, which means, “to munch or to gnaw” - like an animal. Jesus was again using hyperbole as he often did to drive his point across so that the crowd would understand that he was NOT speaking metaphorically. He MEANTwhat he said.

Do you not know what a metaphor is? Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by literally gnawing a wafer of flour and water!

Just as the Paschal Lamb was to be eaten, it is also true for the Lamb of God.

The physical Passover was a type of believing in Jesus Christ and the cross, thereby being covered by the blood of Christ (not literally, of course).

When the crowd thinks this teaching is too bizarre to follow – many of them LEAVE Him and return to their former way of life (John 6:66)

They found it hard to swallow, precisely because they took it literally, not realising that Jesus was using a metaphor.

As far as why some of his disciples left him is concerned - that was nothing to do with "eating his flesh and drinking his blood"; rather, it was because he said that no man could come to him, unless the Father drew him.

John 6:64-66 (W.E.B.)
64 But there are some of you who don’t believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn’t believe, and who it was who would betray him.
65 He said, “For this cause have I said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
66 At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Does Jesus explain to them that He was speaking symbolically or metaphorically?
NOPE. He says, "Does this SHOCK you?"

If the disciples who left had had believing hearts (that's a metaphor, by the way), they would have understood that he was using a metaphor.

Then He turns to the Apostles and asks them:
“Do YOU also want to leave?”

They believed, so they didn't want to leave.

At the Last Supper – does Jesus say, “This SYMBOLIZES my Body” and “This SYMBOLIZES my Blood”?
NO – He says: “This IS my Body” and “This IS my Blood.”

That's how metaphors work; they are not spelt out as similes are.

If I say, "The sea was like glass.", that is a simile. If I say, "The sea was glass.", that is a metaphor.

If you can’t believe thee very words of Jesus – then I don’t know what to tell you . . .

Do you believe that Jesus is a literal door, with hinges and a handle? Do you believe that the Lord is literally a rock?

If you don't understand biblical metaphors, then you will get things wrong, right, left and centre, just as the hyper-literal Pharisees did.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Weep and howl and howl and cry and lie in sackcloth and ashes and repent .
And get up and warn all and procliam to all to get out of anything connected in any way
to anything ecumeincal inclusive and its peace plan . OR the wailing on JESUS day will be yours .

@amigo de christo

 

[BreadOfLife]

God had already determined that Jesus would be sacrificed, in time, before the foundation of the world; however, the actual sacrifice took place over the course of a few hours, then was accomplished in full. The effects of that are eternal.

WRONG.
It’s not just the “effects”.. . .

For God, who is OUTSIDE of time because He is ETEERNAL – Jesus’s sacrifice is NOT in the past – NOR is it in the future. God is in the eternal NOW – and so is the sacrifice.

It was once for all to US because we ARE subject to time.

Do you not know what a metaphor is? Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by literally gnawing a wafer of flour and water!

Spoken just like the former followers wo LEFT Jesus for their former way of life in John 6:66.
You simply don’t understand how God deals with His people . . .

Did Jesus need to smear MUD on the Blind Man’s eyes to heal Him (John 9:1–7:)?
How about spitting on the other Blind Man to heal him (Mark 8:22–26)?
Did He need to put His fingers in the ears of the Deaf Man - and spit?
Why are we commanded to be baptized with \Water?

God knows that we are Physical beings and uses Physical means to work His purpose.
He demands obedience from you – NOT doubt and rejection.

The physical Passover was a type of believing in Jesus Christ and the cross, thereby being covered by the blood of Christ (not literally, of course).

And at the Passover – they ATE the Flesh of the Paschal Lamb.

In Christ - we EAT the Flesh of the Lamb of God . . .

They found it hard to swallow, precisely because they took it literally, not realising that Jesus was using a metaphor.

That’s because Jesus WASN’T speaking metaphorically.

That’s WHY He repeated is over and over.
That’s WHY He didn’t explain it to them and LET them leave.
That’s WHY He didn’t even explain it to the Apostles until the Last Supper.

Jesus wanted their faith and obedience – NOT their doubt and rejection . . .

As far as why some of his disciples left him is concerned - that was nothing to do with "eating his flesh and drinking his blood"; rather, it was because he said that no man could come to him, unless the Father drew him.

WRONG.
Learn to read the Scriptures in CONTEXT . . .

First of all – Jesus said that no one can come to Him unless the Father draws him.
That was WAY back in verse 44 – and NOVODY was grumbling about what He said.

AFTER He said this – He started His Bread of Life Discourse. He describes that their Fathers ate Manna from Heaven, yet they still died. THEN, in verse 51, Jesus tells them that HE is the Living Bread and that this Bread He was giving them was His FLESH.

THIS is when they freaked out – NOT before.

John 6:52
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

It is at THIS point that Jesus explains that He was speaking both LITERALL and Spiritually.

In verse 60:
John 6:62
When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”

If the disciples who left had had believing hearts (that's a metaphor, by the way), they would have understood that he was using a metaphor.

WRONG.

They LOST their faith in Him.
That’s why it says that they NO LONGER followed Him and RETURNED to their FORMER way of life.

 

[BreadOfLife]

continued . . .

They believed, so they didn't want to leave.

EXACTLY.
They DIDN’T lose their faith – except for Judas, who didn’t really have faith to begin with (John 6:70-71).

That's how metaphors work; they are not spelt out as similes are.

If I say, "The sea was like glass.", that is a simile. If I say, "The sea was glass.", that is a metaphor.

If Jesus said this at the Last Supper – WITHOUT ever giving the Bread of Life Discourse – then you MIGHT have an argument.

However – He DID give that Discourse, which was a precursor to the Last Supper . . .

Do you believe that Jesus is a literal door, with hinges and a handle? Do you believe that the Lord is literally a rock?

Nope.
John 10:9
"I am the door"

John 15:5
"I am the vine, you are the branches"

He’s obviously NOT a Dorr or a Vine. But, Jesus NEVER went to such great lengths as He did in John 6 to drive home His point that He wasn’t speaking metaphorically.
He repeats it over and over . . .

Verse 33
“I am the bread of life.”

Verse 46
I am the bread of life.

Verse 51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is MY FLESH, which I will give for the life of the world.”

Verses53-56
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat (trogo) the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats (trogo) MY FLESH and drinks MY BLOOD has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For MY FLESH is REAL FOOD and MY BLOOD is REAL DRINK. 56 Whoever eats (trogo) MY FLESH and drinks MY BLOOD remains in me, and I in them.

As for Jesus being the Rock – this is BOTH metaphorical AND literal:

1 Cor. 10:4
"And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ."

THIS is what is known as a Christophany. – which is a manifestation of Him BEFORE His birth.
We see these Christophanioes in Gen. 18, Exod. 3, Josh. 5:13–15, Gen. 32:24–30, etc.

If you don't understand biblical metaphors, then you will get things wrong, right, left and centre, just as the hyper-literal Pharisees did.

I’d be willing to bet my house that YOU believe that every single person has sinned, based on Romans:

Rom. 3:23
"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

Does this include babies?
Does it include severely mentally-handicapped, who don't have full use of their faculties?
Does it include the unborn?
Does it include JESUS? He’s part of “ALL”.
So, don’t try to lecture ME on metaphorical or symbolic language until YOU deal with your own hypocrisy . . .

Matt. 2:3
When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and ALL of Jerusalem with him;

So, ALL of Jerusalem was upset about the Baby Jesus??
EVERY man, woman and child??
EVERY baby and mentally handicapped person was "troubled" - or is this simply more inclusive/symbolic language that YOU don't understand?

If not - then it does NOT actually mean "ALL" . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sure I know the difference but at both of them they are kneeling and praying and are for reverence and veneration of Mary.

The classic definition of a SHRINE – not an “Altar”.
If they were offering up sacrifices to her in worship – THEN it would be an Altar .

There ends the lesson . . .

Dude if there is anyone here that does not know what it is to be a Catholic, it is you. I have said this ever since I met you, you are a horrible example of a Catholic. Catholics are generally good people----you are not.

It’s not ME who is misrepresenting the Cath9lic teaching here. It’s YOU.
Besides, your judgement of me matters very little. It is Christ who judges me (1 Cor. 4:3-4) . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

When one suckles long and hard enough on the teets of an ecumenical harlot
they will only refuse the pure milk of the word . For the taste of harlot milk has enslaved them to the harlot .
THAT bE a fact .

 

[BreadOfLife]

B read , are you aware of what paul warned us , the church , about when speaking specially of the last days .
Go to and behold the second letter written to the thessalonians .
Paul wrote that God would send a strong delusion , think a lying spirit , to cause all who had rejected the love of the truth
whereby they might be s aved to BELEIVE A LIE and be damned .
Then go back to his first letter and see the warning he gives the church
about what they would be saying RIGHT before THIS SUDDEN destructoin was to come down upon them all .

Ahhh, yes . . .

THIS coming from a person who follows the teachings of one of the tens of thousands of groups that splintered from the Catholic Church, which was built by Jesus and the Apostles, 2000 years ago . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

No matter how sweet and kind a harlot appears to be
she gonna leave ya broke and destitute and full of disease .
No matter how loving a harlot can appear to be
The longer one resists her
IN time her ecumeincal phase will become her crusade phase and the HO coming with a sword after all who did not conform
to a harlots inclusive love and her anti christ peace .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ahhh, yes . . .

THIS coming from a person who follows the teachings of one of the tens of thousands of groups that splintered from the Catholic Church, which was built by Jesus and the Apostles, 2000 years ago . . .

i am quite sure they are at least tens of thousands of groups .
ONLY i never sat under such . nor do sit under their ecumeinal mother who has now called them all back home to mama .
AS SHE HAS even the FALSE RELIGOINS .
and as she has always done she panders to them to try and win them .
OH but A harlot she is and a harlot knows exactly what dress to wear for any man , any group , any denomination
and oh yeah even the false relgions to seduce all to become one under her .
BIBLE TIME bread . For the second death surely awaits all who gather under her .
As it do every one who DENIES JESUS THE CHRIST . as does every false relgion
as does many in the protestant realm as does that HARLOT herself .
OH I SEEN the inclusive god that SHE and now even her protestant daughters
as well as leaders of the false religoins do preach . HOLD NOT THY BREATH
waiting for me to enter into COVENANT WITH THAT . AND I HIGHLY SUGGEST NONE DO .

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[BreadOfLife]

i am quite sure they are at least tens of thousands of groups .
ONLY i never sat under such . nor do sit under their ecumeinal mother who has now called them all back home to mama .

You absolutely HAVE – and STILL do.

If you believe in Biblical fallacies like Sola Scriptura – you site under the general mantle of Protestantism from the 1600’s when this fallacy was invented. This also goes for those waiting for a pre-mollenial “Rapture”, Eternal Security (OSAS) and many other 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th century man-made inventions.

For ALL of your ignorant bloviating - you're just another angry Protestant splinter . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

You absolutely HAVE – and STILL do.

If you believe in Biblical fallacies like Sola Scriptura – you site under the general mantle of Protestantism from the 1600’s when this fallacy was invented. This also goes for those waiting for a pre-mollenial “Rapture”, Eternal Security (OSAS) and many other 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th century man-made inventions.

For ALL of your ignorant bloviating - you're just another angry Protestant splinter . . .

I cannot and will not and must not heed the lips of a harlot nor any who stands to speak for her .
DO try and understand that . You follow ecumeincal inclusivism and That i KNOW IS a fact .
and that harlot and her incluisve father sell to this world a false peace of anti christ . and again that is a fact
You and all better fast wake up too and get far from that peace plan .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I cannot and will not and must not heed the lips of a harlot nor any who stands to speak for her .
DO try and understand that . You follow ecumeincal inclusivism and That i KNOW IS a fact .
and that harlot and her incluisve father sell to this world a false peace of anti christ . and again that is a fact
You and all better fast wake up too and get far from that peace plan .

As usual – you completely dodge the actual issues I brought up only to continue your psychotic “Harlot” diatribe. You didn’t even address ONE of them.

You’re just another ONE-trick pony, whose theological grasp stuck on “Pause” . . .

 

[Pavel Mosko]

As usual – you completely dodge the actual issues I brought up only to continue your psychotic “Harlot” diatribe. You didn’t even address ONE of them.

You’re just another ONE-trick pony, whose theological grasp stuck on “Pause” . . .

I was thinking of this thread and Amigos posting the other day in the sense of a broken clock right twice a day, when I ran across the notable American Catholic Exorcist video from Chad Rippenger. (I tend to watch a little of him and other notable Catholic Exorcists from time to time. ) Anyway, he was talking about being under disciplinary action to not do exorcisms because the demons end up blabbing about what certain high ranking bishops are doing in the Vatican as far as secret sins, he also quoted an official statement of having mercy on different people and demons made the list! I will try to find the video in my history, but lots of conservative Catholics on YouTube are talking about Rippenger being silenced etc.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I was thinking of this thread and Amigos posting the other day in the sense of a broken clock right twice a day, when I ran across the notable American Catholic Exorcist video from Chad Rippenger. (I tend to watch a little of him and other notable Catholic Exorcists from time to time. ) Anyway, he was talking about being under disciplinary action to not do exorcisms because the demons end up blabbing about what certain high ranking bishops are doing in the Vatican as far as secret sins, he also quoted an official statement of having mercy on different people and demons made the list! I will try to find the video in my history, but lots of conservative Catholics on YouTube are talking about Rippenger being silenced etc.

Although I respect Fr. Ripperger’s work – he is a bit of a loose-canon.

Because he spends a lot of time being interviewed on podcasts – he tends to sensationalize things. For example, he gives interviews on UFO’s and alien abductions, etc. The podcasters draw out these personal opinions of his for sensationalistic purposes and notoriety.

In short, he was becoming a bit of a “side-show” celebrity, which makes him – and the Church – easy fodder for all manner of rumor and unsubstantiated claims. The celebrity-bug can bite anybody – especially for someone in such a high-stress position.

The claim that the Church disciplined him because of what the demons were saying about Church officials doesn't even make sense - unless he was listing those sins in various interviews. From what I've read - he was not.
He was asked to stop giving interviews for a 1 year so he might contemplate the sensationalistic aspects of these interviews.