MATTHEW 3:11 BAPTISMS

[Grams]

Mat.3:
11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

 

[Grams]

Eph.2:
11
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

 

[Grams]

You know, people say we ought to be water baptised, because Jesus was. Why? Do you want to be a priest? And why was all the nation of Israel being baptised? Remember the covenant God made with the nation of Israel: “Ye shall be a kingdom of Priests” Exodus 19:6. That’s why water baptism belongs to the nation of Israel.

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP only.
the Baptism of Water is an ordinance, a command of God, true for repentance. water is only the mechanism use in this repentance. for John could had baptized "WITH" milk, or gasoline, or peanut oil ..ect. water was used to baptized here for repentance. as for the Lord who is Spiritual, he uses his Spirit to Baptize his chosen into his body, "the baptism "of" the Holy Spirit". and to empower his chosen believers, each has a gift which is given to them which is called the "Baptism "WITH" the Holy Spirit. as on the day of Pentecost, it was by the Spirit that the apostles that spoke in divers tongues, which is a "GIFT" of the Holy Ghost.

as said there are many Baptism, but the lord through his chosen apostle said this, Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 "Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 "And this will we do, if God permit.

PICJAG

 

[LC627]

You know, people say we ought to be water baptised, because Jesus was. Why? Do you want to be a priest? And why was all the nation of Israel being baptised? Remember the covenant God made with the nation of Israel: “Ye shall be a kingdom of Priests” Exodus 19:6. That’s why water baptism belongs to the nation of Israel.

In the Great Commission Jesus says to go to all nations, make disciples, and baptize them. This includes all who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, to refuse water baptism is basically refusing Jesus. Gentile believers are grafted into Israel (Romans 11:11-24).

Those who have faith are the sons of Abraham (Galatians 3:7).

If water baptism belong only to the Jews then why is it practiced in the New Testament and Gentiles take part in it? Why is it that through baptism we are said to have "put on Christ" and take part in His death, burial, and resurrection? There is a huge significance in water baptism that should not be overlooked.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Demons are fallen angels, of course they believe, they have seen heaven and have no reason to not believe. Their fate is sealed and repentance is not offered to fallen angels.

YES......... for sure !!! You have it right ! You know that of course LC627........................!

And YOUR point is that all you have to do is "believe" was squashed by James when he made this statement in the 2nd chapter of his Epistle:

James 2:19-26
You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

In other words – “belief” is NOT enough.
TRUE Faith = Belief + Works (obedience)

Anything less is easy-believism . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

And YOUR point is that all you have to do is "believe" was squashed by James when he made this statement in the 2nd chapter of his Epistle:

James 2:19-26
You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

In other words – “belief” is NOT enough.
TRUE Faith = Belief + Works (obedience)

Anything less is easy-believism . . .

apparently it was enough for Jesus

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph_2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

a lot of boasters out there.

 

[BreadOfLife]

apparently it was enough for Jesus

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph_2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

a lot of boasters out there.

Your cooperation WITH and response TO God's grace is a work, Einstein.
Nothing to boast about.

This is why Paul said that he boasted in his weaknesses (2 Cor. 12:9) - because it was the LORD who worked through them . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

Your cooperation WITH and response TO God's grace is a work, Einstein.
Nothing to boast about.

This is why Paul said that he boasted in his weaknesses (2 Cor. 12:9) - because it was the LORD who worked through them . . .

Being Einstein I must be a heck of a lot smarter than you, thanks for acknowledging it

 

[BreadOfLife]

Being Einstein I must be a heck of a lot smarter than you, thanks for acknowledging it

Yes – the first clue is your complete failure to recognize sarcasm . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

@BreadOfLife
I do recognize fools.

 

[Enoch111]

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance...

That was John the Baptizer's baptism, exclusively for Israel.

But Christian baptism is different, in that repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ is followed by baptism (immersion) in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and the gift of the Holy Spirit is given BEFORE water baptism. Also Christian baptism is a command, not an option.

ACTS 10
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

There are two things to be noted:
1. Speaking in tongues is not normative, but had a special significance here for the Jews.

2. "In the name of the Lord" is assumed to mean "In the name of Jesus" but can also mean "In the name of God" (since Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all "Lord").

 

[Grams]

apparently it was enough for Jesus

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph_2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

a lot of boasters out there.

YES!!! The bible tells us what GOD say's...................

 

[LC627]

And YOUR point is that all you have to do is "believe" was squashed by James when he made this statement in the 2nd chapter of his Epistle:

James 2:19-26
You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

In other words – “belief” is NOT enough.
TRUE Faith = Belief + Works (obedience)

Anything less is easy-believism . . .

John 6:29 - Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

True saving faith is obedient and does show fruit. People can say they believe in God all day long and not be saved. The difference is, do you believe that Jesus is Lord and submit to Him? If one does not have the Son they do not have the Father.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Of course a Believer will do good works, God prepared for us to do them! Works do not generate righteousness in us, and if the focus is on us then we are not giving God the glory He alone deserves. I don't believe any true Christian would argue that God alone gets all the glory in our salvation and life.

 

[LC627]

Your cooperation WITH and response TO God's grace is a work, Einstein.
Nothing to boast about.

This is why Paul said that he boasted in his weaknesses (2 Cor. 12:9) - because it was the LORD who worked through them . . .

Can you go a single post without putting a person down?

 

[mjrhealth]

Can you go a single post without putting a person down?

Have you ever won the lottery...

 

[mjrhealth]

John 6:29 - Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

True saving faith is obedient and does show fruit. People can say they believe in God all day long and not be saved. The difference is, do you believe that Jesus is Lord and submit to Him? If one does not have the Son they do not have the Father.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Of course a Believer will do good works, God prepared for us to do them! Works do not generate righteousness in us, and if the focus is on us then we are not giving God the glory He alone deserves. I don't believe any true Christian would argue that God alone gets all the glory in our salvation and life.

but then the works are not ours even Jesus stated it,

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

So you can't do works that is righteous ???
But can you do works that is unrighteous ???
Does that bible say anywhere that man is judged by his works ?
Also what man does determine whether he is of the devil or a child of God ??
Jesus does give us power to live right if we choose to, we can't be completely righteous without him.
Does our actions speak louder than words ?
I thought God judge us for what we do ?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Can you go a single post without putting a person down?

Have you actually READ the attacks I am responding to?
Where is your condemnation of them??

 

[BreadOfLife]

John 6:29 - Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

True saving faith is obedient and does show fruit. People can say they believe in God all day long and not be saved. The difference is, do you believe that Jesus is Lord and submit to Him? If one does not have the Son they do not have the Father.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Of course a Believer will do good works, God prepared for us to do them! Works do not generate righteousness in us, and if the focus is on us then we are not giving God the glory He alone deserves. I don't believe any true Christian would argue that God alone gets all the glory in our salvation and life.

God prepared works in advance for us to do. His will, however is NOT always followed.
Every day, we have a thousand opportunities to do His will and we ALWAYS fall short.

John 6:29 is NOT talking about easy-believism. The word for "believe" in this verse (πιστεύητε) is the SAME word used for "Faith" in James 2:26 . . .
For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith (πιστεύητε) without works is dead.

When the New Testament talks about "believing" in Christ - it includes:
- Being baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- Suffering with Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2).

Simply "believing" is a good start - but it's NOT faith (Matt. 7:21, James 2:19).