Messiah 2030

[Spiritual Israelite]

Take it up with Jesus. He is the author. He told us WHO IT IS.
Rev 13
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

None of us can decupher WHO it is.
Inspite of Jesus telling us WHO THE AC IS.

Somehow you transpose it to "Jesus never told us"
...and you keep saying "you don't know who it is"

Uh... yeah....nobody does.
Never said I do, you just can't get off of your reluctance to admit we were told EXACTLY WHO THE AC IS.

No one knows who it is despite Jesus supposedly having told us who it is...

 

[The Light]

So he's one of them gay guys?

Is he from San Francisco?

He is definitely gay.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He is definitely gay.

The Antichrist is gay? Well, that narrows it done some, but not very much these days. What other clues do we have to figure out who it is? Is he also transgender? What is his favorite food? Favorite color? Favorite movie? We need to narrow this down.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Well satan is going to enter and possess the anti-christ so I guess satan doesn't date girl demons because he like boy demons!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well satan is going to enter and possess the anti-christ so I guess satan doesn't date girl demons because he like boy demons!

Satan is gay, too? This is getting crazy.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

satan is gay, too? This is getting crazy.

The devil always seeks to do things opposite of the way God intended things to be done.

Anton LaVey, one of the most famous satanists (founder of the so called "church" of satan) taught his devil worshiping followers to as much as possible to do everything backwards as a way of mocking God

Since God created man to have sex with a woman, naturally satan wants man to be homosexual to mock God.

Now you know why there has been such an increase in homosexuality in these last days.

 

[The Light]

The Antichrist is gay? Well, that narrows it done some, but not very much these days. What other clues do we have to figure out who it is? Is he also transgender? What is his favorite food? Favorite color? Favorite movie? We need to narrow this down.

Just like the Word says, he is a former king of the North, and does not regard the God of his fathers.

 

[Zao is life]

We are told to WATCH by the Lord. I have run across a three-part video, that I would imagine that many of you have seen. Scripture after scripture is claimed to indicate that Jesus returns in 2030.

Have any of you seen these videos and do you think they are correct?

Here is part one.


This 2030 date is actually the date that the millennial kingdom is set up.

If the millennial kingdom is set up in 2030, what should we be seeing today?

I've always been averse to date-setting, but that series is the best I've ever seen - so this time (and for now) I'm paying attention, prayerfully and very cautiously.

The series grabbed my attention probably because in other ways that he doesn't even speak about, I've also seen 7 7 7 popping up all over scripture, and I already agreed with AD 30 as the year the Lord was crucified, as well as with his interpretation of Daniel 9:27, as well as with his interpretation of the abomination of desolation (as a thing that we will see appearing in the holy place 3.5 years before the return of Christ), although I disagree with him about which "temple" / holy place it will appear in.

I was battling to concentrate because I was tired and will have to watch again but the series has grabbed my attention, despite the fact that I've always been uncomfortable with and averse to date-setting.

Thanks for posting.

I don't agree with his theology regarding Torah observance either, though. I do not believe the Torah gives life - not because the Torah isn't good and holy - but because of sin:

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Let it not be said! But I did not know sin except through the law. For also I did not know lust except the law said, You shall not lust.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, worked in me all kinds of lust. For apart from law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once. But when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was to life, was found to be death to me.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.
12 So indeed the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.
13 Then has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But sin, that it might appear to be sin, working death in me by that which is good; in order that sin might become exceedingly sinful by the commandment.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do, I know not. For what I desire, that I do not do; but what I hate, that I do.
16 If then I do that which I do not desire, I consent to the law that it is good.
17 But now it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.

24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Jesus fulfilled the law, and the fruit of the Spirit fulfills the law, and there is a difference between obeying the law in order to fulfill the law on one hand, and through faith in Christ, abiding in Christ so that His Spirit in us will enable us to produce the fruit that fulfills the law, on the other hand.

I really wouldn't have a problem if I was born into a Jewish family, with having the Jewish customs viz celebtrating the biblical chaggim as part of my culture (in fact it would be more meaningful in terms of the understanding of how it all points to and is fulfilled by Messiah)

- but I believe that it is for freedom that Christ has set us free, so I also have no problem with the Easter celebration of pickled fish and Resurrection Sunday, and Christmas day (if it's celebrated in honor of Christ) as part of my culture.

But I wouldn't appreciate someone implying that there's something wrong with my walk with Christ if I don't turn myself into a Jew and observe sabbath every Saturday + all the biblical chaggim. I do not believe that obeying Torah fulfills Torah. I believe that Torah points to Christ and is fulfilled by Christ and that the fruit of the Spirit fulfillsTorah because it's the spirit and motive behind Torah.

But anyway I wouldn't discourage anyone from watching the series. I would encourage them to watch the series but prayerfully (asking God to reveal any deceptions) and cautiously.

 

[Zao is life]

Paul taught the truth in scripture without any mistakes and he followed Christ and His teachings as well as any Christian ever has. His serious mistakes were made before he became a Christian. He is a great example to follow because he was bold in his faith, he had a close personal relationship with Christ and God trusted him enough to use him to write about half of the New Testament.

1 Corinthians 4:15 Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you to imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

So, you apparently disagree that we should imitate Paul, who imitated Christ? In terms of having another follower of Christ who we should imitate, you won't find a better one than Paul. By imitating him you are imitating Christ because Paul imitated Christ. He sacrificed himself for others many times and showed how to live as a true Christian and his writings teach that as well.


Hello? If you follow Paul's example than you will follow Christ because that is what Paul did. Paul is the example we can follow in terms of someone who followed Christ. That doesn't mean we follow Paul instead of Christ, it means we follow Paul's example of how to follow Christ. You're not even thinking here.


That is an extremely stupid statement. You don't get it at all. I am a follower of Jesus Christ who wisely learns from Paul's example of how to properly be a follower of Jesus Christ. You should do the same. It's sad that you have such a low opinion of Paul when you can learn a lot from his example of how to follow Jesus Christ.

Jude
10 But these men do not understand the things they slander, and they are being destroyed by the very things that, like irrational animals, they instinctively comprehend.

James 4
11 Do not speak against one another, brothers and sisters. He who speaks against a fellow believer or judges a fellow believer speaks against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but its judge.
12 But there is only one who is lawgiver and judge - the one who is able to save and destroy. On the other hand, who are you to judge your neighbor?

They may think that they are faithful while they judge and speak evil of Paul, but it's clear what spirit this talk is of. Good for you for defending God's scriptures and Christ's apostles.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

We are told to WATCH by the Lord. I have run across a three-part video, that I would imagine that many of you have seen. Scripture after scripture is claimed to indicate that Jesus returns in 2030.

Have any of you seen these videos and do you think they are correct?

Here is part one.


This 2030 date is actually the date that the millennial kingdom is set up.

If the millennial kingdom is set up in 2030, what should we be seeing today?

Yes—Jesus told us to watch (Matthew 24:42), but He also told us that no one knows the day or hour (Matthew 24:36). That includes 2030, 2040, or any other number someone pulls from a spreadsheet of speculation and says “thus saith the Lord.”

We’re not called to guess the calendar, we’re called to walk in readiness. Anyone who builds a timeline and stamps it with millennial kingdom start dates is skating dangerously close to the same deception Jesus warned against:

> “Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.”
—Mark 13:6



Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for knowing how to read the weather but not the signs of the times (Matthew 16:3). That doesn’t mean they needed a calculator—it meant their hearts were blind. Watching isn’t about watching YouTube timelines—it’s about watching your life, your doctrine, your oil lamp, and the state of the Church (1 Timothy 4:16, Matthew 25:1–13).

So what should we be seeing today?

Apostasy in the Church (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
A rise in lawlessness (Matthew 24:12)
A Church asleep when it should be awake (Mark 13:36)
False prophets multiplying (Matthew 24:11)
A remnant crying out, “How long, O Lord?” (Revelation 6:10)

That’s exactly what we see now. Not a chart, not a date—but a shaking, a sifting, and a Spirit calling out to those with ears to hear.

The hour is late, but that’s no excuse for itching ears to chase timelines. The Bride doesn’t need a calendar—she needs a clean robe. (Revelation 19:7–8)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jude
10 But these men do not understand the things they slander, and they are being destroyed by the very things that, like irrational animals, they instinctively comprehend.

James 4
11 Do not speak against one another, brothers and sisters. He who speaks against a fellow believer or judges a fellow believer speaks against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but its judge.
12 But there is only one who is lawgiver and judge - the one who is able to save and destroy. On the other hand, who are you to judge your neighbor?

They may think that they are faithful while they judge and speak evil of Paul, but it's clear what spirit this talk is of. Good for you for defending God's scriptures and Christ's apostles.

One thing I have noticed in recent times on this forum is a lack of reverence for some of Paul's teachings. Especially his end times teachings. I often use passages that Paul wrote to support my doctrines and there has been a number of times where people seem to not fully trust what he taught. They seem to dismiss his teachings as if he didn't have full knowledge of things. It's very strange. He was inspired by God when he wrote his New Testament letters. Do these people not believe that? To act as if Paul didn't always know what he was talking about implies that they don't think he was inspired by God.

One example of what I'm talking about would be what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. I use that passage to show that all who belong to Christ will be resurrected at the same time, which will be when Jesus returns. Paul didn't indicate that any who belong to Christ will be resurrected at any other time. So, the idea that some believers will be resurrected during a supposed pre-trib rapture and others will be resurrected seven (or however many) years later contradicts what Paul taught. But, I have had more than one pre-trib act as if they think Paul didn't have the full knowledge of end times doctrine, so we can't use what he wrote as part of the foundation of our end times doctrine. That's just unbelievable to me. He was inspired by God and God certainly has the full knowledge of end times doctrine. So, we can trust what Paul wrote and we should not believe anything that contradicts what he wrote.

 

[Zao is life]

One thing I have noticed in recent times on this forum is a lack of reverence for some of Paul's teachings. Especially his end times teachings. I often use passages that Paul wrote to support my doctrines and there has been a number of times where people seem to not fully trust what he taught. They seem to dismiss his teachings as if he didn't have full knowledge of things. It's very strange. He was inspired by God when he wrote his New Testament letters. Do these people not believe that? To act as if Paul didn't always know what he was talking about implies that they don't think he was inspired by God.

One example of what I'm talking about would be what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. I use that passage to show that all who belong to Christ will be resurrected at the same time, which will be when Jesus returns. Paul didn't indicate that any who belong to Christ will be resurrected at any other time. So, the idea that some believers will be resurrected during a supposed pre-trib rapture and others will be resurrected seven (or however many) years later contradicts what Paul taught. But, I have had more than one pre-trib act as if they think Paul didn't have the full knowledge of end times doctrine, so we can't use what he wrote as part of the foundation of our end times doctrine. That's just unbelievable to me. He was inspired by God and God certainly has the full knowledge of end times doctrine. So, we can trust what Paul wrote and we should not believe anything that contradicts what he wrote.

It's not nice to see. It's not only them. I've also noticed that though not all Messianic Hebrew Roots believers reject Paul's teaching, the pseudo-Christian Messianic Hebrew Roots ones do. This board is a good gauge of where we're at with regards to the apostasy / falling away that Paul spoke about in 2 Thess 2 and in other letters he wrote. It's no wonder he is rejected, though it's tragic.

 

[The Light]

Yes—Jesus told us to watch (Matthew 24:42), but He also told us that no one knows the day or hour (Matthew 24:36).

He also told us if therefore thou shall not watch thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Perhaps you are unaware that Jesus went to the Father. Perhaps you are unaware that Johns Revelation came after Jesus went to the Father.

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

That includes 2030, 2040, or any other number someone pulls from a spreadsheet of speculation and says “thus saith the Lord.”

I watched all of Messiah 2030 and not once did I hear “thus saith the Lord.” Neither did I make any such claim.

It is not wise to be a false witness.

We’re not called to guess the calendar, we’re called to walk in readiness. Anyone who builds a timeline and stamps it with millennial kingdom start dates is skating dangerously close to the same deception Jesus warned against:

> “Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.”
—Mark 13:6

Oh boy. I missed the part where I said I am He. I also didn't see anyone in the video claiming to be He.

I did not miss your false accusations though.

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for knowing how to read the weather but not the signs of the times (Matthew 16:3). That doesn’t mean they needed a calculator—it meant their hearts were blind. Watching isn’t about watching YouTube timelines—it’s about watching your life, your doctrine, your oil lamp, and the state of the Church (1 Timothy 4:16, Matthew 25:1–13).

So you think watching is about watching your life, your doctrine, your oil lamp and the state of the Church? That's just false.

That is being ready. And that has nothing to do with the comment on the state of the Church. We are told to watch and be ready.

Watching is about looking for the Messiah to come. He will appear a second time to those who look for Him.

Hebrews 9
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

And there is a crown of righteousness for them that love His appearing. Watching for Him to appear is proof that you love His appearing.

2 Timothy 4
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

So what should we be seeing today?

Apostasy in the Church (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

Ok.

A rise in lawlessness (Matthew 24:12)

This event occurs after the seals are opened. The seals are not opened.

A Church asleep when it should be awake (Mark 13:36)

This is nothing about the Church. This is about us watching. It is about us watching for His coming.

Mark 13
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

False prophets multiplying (Matthew 24:11)

This is what the Jews will see after the Church is raptured. The false Christs are the beast of the earth and beast of the sea.

A remnant crying out, “How long, O Lord?” (Revelation 6:10)

If you are watching for this you are in sad shape. This is the 5th seal which is the great tribulation. The Church will be in heaven before this happens. See Revelation 5.

That’s exactly what we see now. Not a chart, not a date—but a shaking, a sifting, and a Spirit calling out to those with ears to hear.

Those with ears to hear are watching.

The hour is late, but that’s no excuse for itching ears to chase timelines. The Bride doesn’t need a calendar—she needs a clean robe. (Revelation 19:7–8)

There is no excuse, for telling watchmen not to watch.

There is no excuse for those that watch if they don't warn others what they see. There is judgement for not giving a warning.
If I see a thousand warriors with swords and realize they are heading this way and now are on the other side of the hill and probably still coming, there is judgement if the warning is not made. The warriors may not come, but if they do there is judgement if the warning is not made.

If you look the Ezekiel 4 prophecy of Ezekiel laying on his left side and right side and do the proper calculations, the year 2030 comes up for the house of Israel and then a completely different calculation also points to 2030 for the house of Judah. Should we just disregard this and pretend it's not there?

If this date in the fall of 2030 is correct that would mean, there would have to be a 7-year covenant with many in the fall of 2023. Gee, guess what, there is a covenant with many that was made in September of 2023. How many 7 year covenants have you see in your lifetime? That's the first one I have seen. On Oct 7th Israel was attacked. Do we pretend this isn't there or do we point it out. It is unconfirmed by the Antichrist at this time, but the Church will very likely be in heaven before this covenant would be confirmed. So we need to be aware and watch.

If the timeline is correct, the asteroid Apophis fits perfectly when it comes in April of 2029. That is the 4th trumpet of the wrath of God.

If you think watching doesn't mean watching, you are mistaken.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Bride doesn’t need a calendar—she needs a clean robe. (Revelation 19:7–8)

The bride needs a clean robe AND the bride needs to watch

Unless you can't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time?

 

[Zao is life]

He also told us if therefore thou shall not watch thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Perhaps you are unaware that Jesus went to the Father. Perhaps you are unaware that Johns Revelation came after Jesus went to the Father.

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

A seven-year treaty (the covenant of Daniel 9:27) are not the views expressed in the videos you are talking about in the OP of this thread that you started, so you are misrepresenting both the creator of the Messiah 2030 series and what he says in his videos.

You are being a false witness even while you accuse another of being a false witness.

 

[The Light]

A seven-year treaty (the covenant of Daniel 9:27) are not the views expressed in the videos you are talking about in the OP of this thread that you started, so you are misrepresenting both the creator of the Messiah 2030 series and what he says in his videos.

You are being a false witness even while you accuse another of being a false witness.

First off, I am not claiming a 7 year treaty as the covenant with many in Daniel 9:27. It is a 7 year covenant, not a treaty. So your premise is in error.

Secondly, do I have agree with every single point that this individual makes to be able to say there is a video that has scriptures that point to 2030 Messiah?

 

[Zao is life]

First off, I am not claiming a 7 year treaty as the covenant with many in Daniel 9:27. It is a 7 year covenant, not a treaty. So your premise is in error.

Secondly, do I have agree with every single point that this individual makes to be able to say there is a video that has scriptures that point to 2030 Messiah?

You were debating someone new around here who opposed the date-setting of the person mentioned by you in your OP, and he was responding to the OP, so yeah, IMO you should have left all your own interpretations out of debating against the point the person was making - UNLESS you make it obvious in some way that you're talking for yourself and not for the person whose video series was being spoken about.

 

[The Light]

You were debating someone new around here who opposed the date-setting of the person mentioned by you in your OP, and he was responding to the OP, so yeah, IMO you should have left all your own interpretations out of debating against the point the person was making - UNLESS you make it obvious in some way that you're talking for yourself and not for the person whose video series was being spoken about.

New or old, false accusations are false accusations.