Messiah 2030

[David in NJ]

I obviously agree.

I obviously agree.

I obviously agree with this too.

But what I'm saying about the "One Rapture" is that it's a one off and unique event in the history of mankind. All of creation groans for it. I might touch base on it this weekend and hide it in a spoiler. 90% of Evangelical Christians will get mad at what I say about it. I know one guy on here who thinks nobody gets eternal life until after the 1000 year millennium. So there's a wide range of understanding on it. The only reason I even mention it is because I have a hunch it's why we are stuck here in a holding pattern that only the Father knows when we get out of. I'm sure Jesus knows we're close, like right at the door.

Within the group of the first resurrection, the blessed and holy resurrection, I count three sections. 1st are those who have already fallen asleep, the dead already in Christ. 2nd are those of us who are alive right now and remain. (This is the group that will never taste physical death, they will be transformed in the blink of an eye.)

But within that 2nd group there's still is a 3rd group of special saints. Sort of a group within a group. These will be the only ones who have not worshiped the beast and it's image. These are the only ones who did not take the mark of the beast. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Something is different about these dudes. These are the brothers, and the fellow servants that I think we are waiting for now. Only the Father knows their names. Jesus would never blot our names out, but it was the Father Who wrote them there. From before the foundation of the universe.

(You can start to see where I'm going to get into trouble with this.)

I have a hunch it's why we are stuck here in a holding pattern that only the Father knows when we get out of

AWESOME = for i thought i was the only one who knew this

JESUS spoke of this "holding pattern" when HE said "things must happen(before His Return) and "this Gospel will be preached in all the world and then the End will come." AND the Apostle Paul who wrote: "HE who now restrains(the wicked one)"

I'm sure Jesus knows we're close, like right at the door.

ABSOLUTELY = HE gave us the signs of things that "must happen" as did the Apostles

 

[rebuilder 454]

Marilyn seems to be ignoring you.

You should retry.

I have several myself.
I can still see their juvenile mocking with their little emoji
Simple minded little pests.
Trolling those they can't debate.

Kinda how you come across.
Policing me and never any substance..

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you for the reply brother.
Well, not sure how much clearer to write this, lol.
If The Father hadn't spoken the day or hour to Jesus back then, Jesus wouldn't know. I also connect this with:

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
2 Peter 3:9 (perhaps God was simply waiting for the right time to reveal)

God gives chance after chance to those unsaved to accept His offer of salvation, wishing none to perish. At this point, my guess is that Jesus indeed now knows as time is short.
I hope this makes sense.

Thank You Nancy
After i posted my question to you i understood but wanted to make sure i am not jumping to any conclusion that you did not intend.

SHALOM and we will be HOME soon enough

 

[Scott Downey]

Rev 14:14
Jesus harvesting during the trib.
That removes permanently any idea of "only one rapture"

Mat 24 has two gatherings.
In the pretrib one, half are left behind.
Mat 25 has half left behind also.

Some believe there is one coming.
Rev 19 has the second coming.
It is in power and glory and war.
No rapture of the church there unless you change other verses.

The first coming was being born in a manger
The second coming is the Day of the Lord, resurrection and judgment Day is proven right then, this is the Last Day of this world.
Then we get new earth and new heavens, God's people, all of them inherit all things, including the new earth and new heaven.
On the new earth dwells righteousness, and that proves there are no unbelievers on the new earth after the return second coming of Christ, all of them as the parable of the Tares describes are cast into the fire. Cause His return is the Day of judgment of the world.

That Last Day

John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

2 Timothy 4

Preach the Word​

I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

Acts 17

30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Entirety of Scripture only Speak/Prophesy of "Pre-Wrath" Deliverance for the Saints.

the very term "pre-trib" is no where in Scripture and immediately sets-off 'alarms' and 'red flags'

"Before the flood" is.
"before Sodom burned" is
And Both escape verses are testifying against you.
Oh well.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The first coming was being born in a manger
The second coming is the Day of the Lord, resurrection and judgment Day is proven right then, this is the Last Day of this world.
Then we get new earth and new heavens, God's people, all of them inherit all things, including the new earth and new heaven.
On the new earth dwells righteousness, and that proves there are no unbelievers on the new earth after the return second coming of Christ, all of them as the parable of the Tares describes are cast into the fire. Cause His return is the Day of judgment of the world.

That Last Day

John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

2 Timothy 4

Preach the Word​

I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

Acts 17

30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Correct
First coming was the incarnation.
Second Rev 19 on white horses.
Neither is the rapture of the church, or the gathering of the Jews in Rev 14.

But whatever you want it to be is OK with me.

 

[covenantee]

I have several myself.
I can still see their juvenile mocking with their little emoji
Simple minded little pests.
Trolling those they can't debate.

Kinda how you come across.
Policing me and never any substance..

I don't waste substance.

 

[Scott Downey]

I obviously agree.

I obviously agree.

I obviously agree with this too.

But what I'm saying about the "One Rapture" is that it's a one off and unique event in the history of mankind. All of creation groans for it. I might touch base on it this weekend and hide it in a spoiler. 90% of Evangelical Christians will get mad at what I say about it. I know one guy on here who thinks nobody gets eternal life until after the 1000 year millennium. So there's a wide range of understanding on it. The only reason I even mention it is because I have a hunch it's why we are stuck here in a holding pattern that only the Father knows when we get out of. I'm sure Jesus knows we're close, like right at the door.

Within the group of the first resurrection, the blessed and holy resurrection, I count three sections. 1st are those who have already fallen asleep, the dead already in Christ. 2nd are those of us who are alive right now and remain. (This is the group that will never taste physical death, they will be transformed in the blink of an eye.)

But within that 2nd group there's still is a 3rd group of special saints. Sort of a group within a group. These will be the only ones who have not worshiped the beast and it's image. These are the only ones who did not take the mark of the beast. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Something is different about these dudes. These are the brothers, and the fellow servants that I think we are waiting for now. Only the Father knows their names. Jesus would never blot our names out, but it was the Father Who wrote them there. From before the foundation of the universe.

(You can start to see where I'm going to get into trouble with this.)

You are thinking of these folks here from every nation.
For me this is the end time of the last days church, believers in Christ, who experience the last days of this world. Paul also writes to the Thessalonian church of the same things who are alive on earth right around the time of the Last Day.

Revelation 7

A Multitude from the Great Tribulation​

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:

“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

14 And I said to him, [b]“Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [c]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Philippians 4
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Let's be following Paul's example as did the Philippians.

The phrase "I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos" refers to a division among early Christians in Corinth, as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1:12. In this context, Paul addresses the issue of factions within the church, where some followers claimed allegiance to different leaders, including Apollos, highlighting the need for unity in Christ as we should all be following JESUS not men.

1 Corinthians 3:4,5
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

Feel free to be carnal if ya like, I'm going to follow the Lord as God has instructed Christians to follow:

Ephesians 5:1
Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Jesus Christ is our standard to follow, not Paul or any other man.

At least for those who are mature in the Lord who have their own relationship with Him.

The babes in Christ may need their hand held and their diaper changed!

Those walking inbdiscernment will know who he is BEFORE the rapture, and before he takes power.

But you added to the Word of God there as John says we will know those who are anti-christs but never specifically said we would know who THE anti-christ was before he is revealed to the world as the man of sin.

There are many many many anti-christs and a good many of them claim to be Christians which is evident because they don't accept what the Lord teaches in His Word having had their ears tickled by Ear Tickling Ministries

Obama was REVEALED WAY BEFORE he took power..

And do you notice he is not THE anti-christ?

A black pastor friend of mine screamed at me at a restaurant for not going along with his infatuation with Obama.

And other pastors will do the same if you don't support Trump right now!

Jesus told John 2000 yers ago who the AC is.

No, actually He did not. God's Word does not say "and Jim Smith is THE anti-christ" or whatever the guy's name is going to be

But if you'd like to guess who THE anti-christ is you are welcome to do so.

Just remember, if you guess wrong that makes you a false prophet proving you are not hearing the voice of the Lord.

You are confusing John saying we will know those who are anti-christs with knowing who THE actual anti-christ will be.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 tells us plainly that THE anti-christ has not yet been revealed.

 

[covenantee]

The phrase "I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos" refers to a division among early Christians in Corinth, as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1:12. In this context, Paul addresses the issue of factions within the church, where some followers claimed allegiance to different leaders, including Apollos, highlighting the need for unity in Christ as we should all be following JESUS not men.

1 Corinthians 3:4,5
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

Feel free to be carnal if ya like, I'm going to follow the Lord as God has instructed Christians to follow:

Ephesians 5:1
Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Jesus Christ is our standard to follow, not Paul or any other man.

At least for those who are mature in the Lord who have their own relationship with Him.

The babes in Christ may need their hand held and their diaper changed!






But you added to the Word of God there as John says we will know those who are anti-christs but never specifically said we would know who THE anti-christ was before he is revealed to the world as the man of sin.

There are many many many anti-christs and a good many of them claim to be Christians which is evident because they don't accept what the Lord teaches in His Word having had their ears tickled by Ear Tickling Ministries






And do you notice he is not THE anti-christ?






And other pastors will do the same if you don't support Trump right now!






No, actually He did not. God's Word does not say "and Jim Smith is THE anti-christ" or whatever the guy's name is going to be

But if you'd like to guess who THE anti-christ is you are welcome to do so.

Just remember, if you guess wrong that makes you a false prophet proving you are not hearing the voice of the Lord.

You are confusing John saying we will know those who are anti-christs with knowing who THE actual anti-christ will be.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 tells us plainly that THE anti-christ has not yet been revealed.

The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write Philippians 4:9.

Was the Holy Spirit mistaken?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write Philippians 4:9.

Was the Holy Spirit mistaken?

The Holy Spirit also inspired 1 Corinthians 3:4-5, Ephesians 5:1, and Romans 8:29

Was the Holy Spirit mistaken?

My scriptures can beat up your scriptures!

 

[Didimus]

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

If we are more concerned in talking about the trip instead of preparing for the trip and helping others to plan, then we are missing the boat and so are they.

 

[covenantee]

The Holy Spirit also inspired 1 Corinthians 3:4-5, Ephesians 5:1, and Romans 8:29

Was the Holy Spirit mistaken?

My scriptures can beat up your scriptures!

Philippians 4:9 does not invalidate any of your Scriptures.

None of your Scriptures invalidates Philippians 4:9.

Nothing is beat up.

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

None of your Scriptures invalidates Philippians 4:9.

Your claim is Christians should follow men and ignore God's instructions in 1 Corinthians 3:4-5, Ephesians 5:1, and Romans 8:29

You follow Paul and let him be your standard, your example.

I'll follow the Lord Jesus and let Him be my Standard, and the Example I follow

And we'll see who ends up having more victory in their lives!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your claim is Christians should follow men and ignore God's instructions in 1 Corinthians 3:4-5, Ephesians 5:1, and Romans 8:29

You follow Paul and let him be your standard, your example.

I'll follow the Lord Jesus and let Him be my Standard, and the Example I follow

And we'll see who ends up having more victory in their lives!

What is wrong with having Paul as our standard example to follow? Do you have a problem with what he said here...

1 Corinthians 4:15 Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you to imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

We should try to be like Paul because he is the best example of following Christ that we can find. Of course we follow Christ, but Paul is the best example we have of someone who followed Christ. We should aim to follow Christ the same way Paul did.

 

[Douggg]

And we'll see who ends up having more victory in their lives!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What is wrong with having Paul as our standard example to follow?

He's not good enough since He's not the Lord seeing scripture says we are predestined to be conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ.

Paul made some serious mistakes, Jesus made ZERO mistakes. It's your life so it's your call.

All you gotta do is up your game and follow the One Who is perfect, Jesus Christ as He is the ultimate standard and example to follow.

We should try to be like Paul because he is the best example of following Christ that we can find. Of course we follow Christ, but Paul is the best example we have of someone who followed Christ. We should aim to follow Christ the same way Paul did.

Maybe someday you can switch from being a follower of Paul and become a follower of Jesus Christ!

 

[Dave Watchman]

You are thinking of these folks here from every nation.

That's a good idea, but I'm still thinking of a third group within the great multitude. And it's not the 144,000 either. The ones I'm thinking of are the only ones who never worshiped the image of the beast. The image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

These people are different:

"Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.​

I think I know who they are, and how they were, and are being beheaded. And I think Satan knows it too. It's probably how he's made a bit of a delay for himself. I don't want to say it right now. It's a radical idea for sure. But these are the guys I think we are waiting for right now. Or else the second coming could have happened already. Think of it like, there's going to be the last human baby born, then it's woe to pregnant women.

You might imagine the trouble I can get into with this.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Alan Jackson - When We All Get To Heaven

Who knew Alan Jackson was a Universalist???

 

[Scott Downey]

That's a good idea, but I'm still thinking of a third group within the great multitude. And it's not the 144,000 either. The ones I'm thinking of are the only ones who never worshiped the image of the beast. The image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

These people are different:

"Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.​

I think I know who they are, and how they were, and are being beheaded. And I think Satan knows it too. It's probably how he's made a bit of a delay for himself. I don't want to say it right now. It's a radical idea for sure. But these are the guys I think we are waiting for right now. Or else the second coming could have happened already. Think of it like, there's going to be the last human baby born, then it's woe to pregnant women.

You might imagine the trouble I can get into with this.

These here, would be a subset of those in Rev 7

Both went through the great tribulation, and the Rev 7 people could have been directly them
Revelation is not entirely time ordered. Described events move in the timeline.

"Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.