Miracles and certain spiritual gifts

[Waiting on him]

He said what prevents, yeah? 2 Corinthians 3:14-18 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. [17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. [18] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Yes the Holy Spirit is the revelator the one that reproves the world of sin

 

[Heart2Soul]

I wasn't implying that at all. I'll post the question again does the Holy Spirit prevent/ leteth wicked from being revealed?

Ok....I am trying to wrap my mind around what you are trying to say because to me it is simply a trap that leads into a false teaching or concept that does not exist in scripture.

 

[Waiting on him]

I believe Paul in 2nd thesseloio

Ok....I am trying to wrap my mind around what you are trying to say because to me it is simply a trap that leads into a false teaching or concept that does not exist in scripture.

My opinion is Paul in theselonians is speaking of a first hand experience

 

[Waiting on him]

Ok....I am trying to wrap my mind around what you are trying to say because to me it is simply a trap that leads into a false teaching or concept that does not exist in scripture.

And also if this we're talking about is such a sound concept there would be more scripture references to back it.

 

[Timtofly]

It's implied in this way of thinking that the HS prevents wicked from being revealed. Is that your opinion?

I would hazard a prophetic guess that the Holy Spirit is no longer needed After the triumphant Second Coming. The Sunday to start Daniel's 70 week of days. Those Seven days are the start of the new Millennium. Midweek Satan breaks the week in half, starting the 3.5 year period, where the Holy Spirit is no longer sealing a person. There are only two choices. Let this mark and curse of Adam that has been sealed be obvious on the forehead and tattood on the right hand, Or have your head chopped off.

However the Holy Spirit was given to the church. When the church leaves in the 6th seal of Revelation 6, The Holy Spirit has lost his job, so to speak. In fact at the Rapture, God on the Throne with Jesus as the Lamb by God's side will be seen by every human on earth. All those nontrinitarians will get to see in the physical all three persons at the same time. What they do with that knowledge if they are still standing on the ground laughing at those hiding in caves is their own business.

 

[Heart2Soul]

And also if this we're talking about is such a sound concept there would be more scripture references to back it.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

King James Version

In Revelation 13 the beast, the antichrist is given power to make war against the saints...

Hence....2 Thessalonians 2:7 has come to pass.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Hey did you by chance find any other scripture stating God would remove His Spirit from earth?

In actual fact, the Holy Spirit resides within the spirit of Christian believers. He is not some "mist" that floats around in the air or in church buildings hovering over the members. There is no "atmosphere" of the Holy Spirit. The Christian members themselves are the atmosphere, because they bring the presence of the Holy Spirit in with them, and He moves as each member contributes to the service as led by the Spirit within them.

In churches where there is a one-man-band guy performing up the front while the rest of the members sit like wooden statues doing nothing, then there is not much activity from the Holy Spirit, other than the guy up front. And if the guy up front is a liberal who believes that the gospel is just for making better human beings of us, then there is no Holy Spirit activity there at all!

 

[Waiting on him]

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

King James Version

In Revelation 13 the beast, the antichrist is given power to make war against the saints...

Hence....2 Thessalonians 2:7 has come to pass.

To make war against whom??

 

[Heart2Soul]

To make war against whom??

Are you changing subjects or what...did you ask for evidence of the Holy Spirit being removed?
If you want to continue and in-depth discussion on this then start a thread.....we are getting too far off topic.

 

[Waiting on him]

In actual fact, the Holy Spirit resides within the spirit of Christian believers. He is not some "mist" that floats around in the air or in church buildings hovering over the members. There is no "atmosphere" of the Holy Spirit. The Christian members themselves are the atmosphere, because they bring the presence of the Holy Spirit in with them, and He moves as each member contributes to the service as led by the Spirit within them.

In churches where there is a one-man-band guy performing up the front while the rest of the members sit like wooden statues doing nothing, then there is not much activity from the Holy Spirit, other than the guy up front. And if the guy up front is a liberal who believes that the gospel is just for making better human beings of us, then there is no Holy Spirit activity there at all!

The Holy Spirit is given that Christ may be made manifest.

 

[Waiting on him]

Are you changing subjects or what...did you ask for evidence of the Holy Spirit being removed?
If you want to continue and in-depth discussion on this then start a thread.....we are getting too far off topic.

Ok just trying to understand how the beast is at war with the saints when it's alleged they and the Holy Spirit have been taken out.

 

[Paul Christensen]

The Holy Spirit is given that Christ may be made manifest.

Christ in us, the hope of glory. The Holy Spirit reveals Christ as a believer preaches or shares the gospel with another. Paul said that he was not ashamed of the gospel Christ because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes. He said that the gospel needs to be heard, and how can they hear except one preaches it? So, the Holy Spirit is not some spooky mist that descends on a person and convinces them of Christ. He works through the faithful words of those who share the gospel with others.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Ok just trying to understand how the beast is at war with the saints when it's alleged they and the Holy Spirit have been taken out.

It all depends on whether you believe that Rapture of the saints happens before or after the Tribulation.

 

[Timtofly]

To make war against whom??

The beast in these verses has been an ongoing process for almost 2000 years. Many Christians have been defeated and died at the hands of this religious political beast. The defeat stops in Revelation 6. God on the throne is Satan's end of terror as religion and government. Satan does get the last 3.5 years to prove to all, he is a failure. Job and all saints of all time will be vindicated.

 

[Waiting on him]

I believe the girl is right we've gotten way off topic.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Ok just trying to understand how the beast is at war with the saints when it's alleged they and the Holy Spirit have been taken out.

The Anti-Christ cannot come and reign until the restrainer is removed....who is the restrainer? The Holy Spirit.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I believe the girl is right we've gotten way off topic.

Start a thread! it should be interesting! And educating!

 

[Waiting on him]

The Anti-Christ cannot come and reign until the restrainer is removed....who is the restrainer? The Holy Spirit.

I've yet to see the scripture that supports this, though I've heard it all my life.

 

[Timtofly]

It's all about miracles and gifts.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes the Holy Spirit is the revelator the one that reproves the world of sin

Hebrews 12:27-29 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. [28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: [29] For our God is a consuming fire.

Do not get how it becomes those things which remain, are those things to be removed?