I have read through this thread and there are a lot of talk about the mosaic law and the confusion concerning Paul's letters. The problem is that people don't seem to understand who was the Law giver. If people would understand that Jesus.. The tree of life was the one that gave the Law even before man was upon this earth... Ok, I could see some faces look puzzled by this statement ...so let me explain.
First lets start with the definition of sin..... 1 John 3: [sup]4[/sup]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
So since sin is the transgression or breaking of God's law. Lets see who broke God's law first than man.... Ezekiel 28: 12-18
[sup]12[/sup]Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
[sup]13[/sup]Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
[sup]14[/sup]Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[sup]15[/sup]Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
[sup]16[/sup]By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
[sup]17[/sup]Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
[sup]18[/sup]Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
We know here, he is not talking about any man.. Hence the words anointed cherub... The fact that this being was in the garden of Eden.... God said this being sinned he had iniquity found in him. What iniquity? Lets find out... Isaiah 14: 12-15
[sup]12[/sup]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[sup]13[/sup]For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[sup]14[/sup]I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[sup]15[/sup]Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Satan broke the first commandment. Exodus 20:3
[sup]3[/sup]Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
The word said he was a murder from the beginning....John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The Law of God has always existed!!!! Jesus himself said in Matthew 5:[sup]18[/sup]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
vs 19 is a warning to those teaching otherwise.. [sup]19[/sup]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Well heaven and earth is still here so the Law of God still stands.
Look what James said; James 2:8-12
[sup]8[/sup]If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [sup]9[/sup]But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[sup]10[/sup]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[sup]11[/sup]For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[sup]12[/sup]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill; And also said remember the sabbath day!!!
John said in 1 John 2:3-4
[sup]3[/sup]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [sup]4[/sup]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
That's pretty cut and dry!!! Look at Revelations, this is the last book in the bible and the last chapter of this books reads.
Rev 22:[sup]14[/sup]Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
So my thing is this, if the law of God existed before man was created, hence Satan breaking the law, or sinning. Jesus establishing the Sabbath during creation. And Jesus giving the law to Adam, who broke the commandment of having no other God before me. Which brought sin upon man kind. Jesus gave the thou shall not murder, which Cain broke. Jesus gave the dietary or clean and unclean law to Noah read Gen 7:2, This was all done verbally. Then he wrote the laws down, and gave them to Moses. Which also includes the sabbath day. I can't understand how these laws can be called the mosaic laws. These are all the laws of God.
The only law that was crucified to the cross, was the sacrificial law.
First lets start with the definition of sin..... 1 John 3: [sup]4[/sup]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
So since sin is the transgression or breaking of God's law. Lets see who broke God's law first than man.... Ezekiel 28: 12-18
[sup]12[/sup]Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
[sup]13[/sup]Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
[sup]14[/sup]Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[sup]15[/sup]Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
[sup]16[/sup]By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
[sup]17[/sup]Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
[sup]18[/sup]Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
We know here, he is not talking about any man.. Hence the words anointed cherub... The fact that this being was in the garden of Eden.... God said this being sinned he had iniquity found in him. What iniquity? Lets find out... Isaiah 14: 12-15
[sup]12[/sup]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[sup]13[/sup]For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[sup]14[/sup]I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[sup]15[/sup]Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Satan broke the first commandment. Exodus 20:3
[sup]3[/sup]Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
The word said he was a murder from the beginning....John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The Law of God has always existed!!!! Jesus himself said in Matthew 5:[sup]18[/sup]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
vs 19 is a warning to those teaching otherwise.. [sup]19[/sup]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Well heaven and earth is still here so the Law of God still stands.
Look what James said; James 2:8-12
[sup]8[/sup]If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [sup]9[/sup]But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[sup]10[/sup]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[sup]11[/sup]For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[sup]12[/sup]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill; And also said remember the sabbath day!!!
John said in 1 John 2:3-4
[sup]3[/sup]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [sup]4[/sup]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
That's pretty cut and dry!!! Look at Revelations, this is the last book in the bible and the last chapter of this books reads.
Rev 22:[sup]14[/sup]Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
So my thing is this, if the law of God existed before man was created, hence Satan breaking the law, or sinning. Jesus establishing the Sabbath during creation. And Jesus giving the law to Adam, who broke the commandment of having no other God before me. Which brought sin upon man kind. Jesus gave the thou shall not murder, which Cain broke. Jesus gave the dietary or clean and unclean law to Noah read Gen 7:2, This was all done verbally. Then he wrote the laws down, and gave them to Moses. Which also includes the sabbath day. I can't understand how these laws can be called the mosaic laws. These are all the laws of God.
The only law that was crucified to the cross, was the sacrificial law.