MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

[Scott Downey]

I think that's a big part of it. I often wonder if Eternal Torment will be much like the earth is presently, with God's presence limited, causing us to feel as if God is far off at times? I've been through lots and lots of times that felt like "Hell" to me, and the anguish is as great a punishment as imaginable if taken on an eternal basis.

I agree with those of us who deny that God relishes torturing people, or is even forced to torture people by their own choice. God has absolute control and is perfectlty just. Those who don't like Him will not have Him. To those of us who love Him that is imaginable torment. For those who do not like or want God they will still miss His presence in many ways, and not particularly enjoy an eternally dark world. But I'm sure God will put them to good use in some way--it's just not our prerogative to know at this time.

What did the demons ask Christ?

29 And behold, they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with Thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God? Art Thou come hither to torment us before the time?”

Their torment begins after the judgement in the Lake of Fire, not where they are currently.

Christ dismisses them to go into the pigs. That judgment of torment is still future for them.

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28 And when He had come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

29 And behold, they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with Thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God? Art Thou come hither to torment us before the time?”

30 Now there was a good way off from them a herd of many swine feeding.

31 So the devils besought Him, saying, “If Thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.”

32 And He said to them, “Go.” And when they had come out, they went into the herd of swine, and behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea and perished in the waters.

 

[ewq1938]

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

That comes from the POT which is talking about dead bodies not people alive in torment.

Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

The men addressed here are dead and the fire is not causing any pain.

 

[David in NJ]

Anyone can repent regarding any sin. It's whether or not the repentance results in forgiveness or not. The only clear unforgivable sin is blasphemy pof the HS and that followed an example of the Jewish priests attributing Jesu miracles to the devil etc. I'm not sure if being deceived or pressured into taking the mark is unforgivable.

The MoB is unforgiveable because it is directed at the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit seals a person's spirit who comes to CHRIST.

When a person receives the MoB, they SEALED their fate, which is irreversable.

 

[Randy Kluth]

What did the demons ask Christ?

29 And behold, they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with Thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God? Art Thou come hither to torment us before the time?”

Their torment begins after the judgement in the Lake of Fire, not where they are currently.

I don't know. It seems the demons were worried about being tormented immediately.

Christ dismisses them to go into the pigs. That judgment of torment is still future for them.

It was for that group. But it seems elsewhere in Scriptures that some demons are already in torment.

 

[Davidpt]

The MoB is unforgiveable because it is directed at the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit seals a person's spirit who comes to CHRIST.

When a person receives the MoB, they SEALED their fate, which is irreversable.

I tend to agree. And besides, I'm already not arguing the MOTB can be reversed once one takes it. John saw everything from start to finish. Nothing he saw indicated one can receive the MOTB, then repent, then it be reversed as if it never happened

 

[David in NJ]

I tend to agree. And besides, I'm already not arguing the MOTB can be reversed once one takes it. John saw everything from start to finish. Nothing he saw indicated one can receive the MOTB, then repent, then it be reversed as if it never happened

AGREE

No repentance is granted from the MoB in Revelation