Never heard the Gospel = burn/torment forever and ever ??

[Ronald Nolette]

No...I was quoting Paul. So you have denied us both.

Once again you make a false accusation. I love the writingsa of Paul anjd agree 100%. Yours, and your private opinions of Paul, not so much.

 

[ScottA]

Once again you make a false accusation. I love the writingsa of Paul anjd agree 100%. Yours, and your private opinions of Paul, not so much.

Paul gave witness and wrote of me, which is forever--contrary to your own writings.

 

[Davidpt]

There is nothing in Revelation 14:9-11 to indicate that it's talking about the last 7 vials of wrath. It talks about the smoke of their torment ascending forever and ever; and them having no rest day or night, so the context is in relation to something eternal, not temporal.

You don't even agree that both Revelation 18:10 and Revelation 19:2-3 echoes this? But if you agree they echo it, explain how Revelation 18:10 and Revelation 19:2-3 make sense if placed during Revelation 20:11-15? But if you disagree it is echoed in those chapters, it then makes me question why you agree Scripture interprets Scripture but then find that concept not compatible with Revelation 14:11in light of Revelation 18:10 and Revelation 19:2-3?

 

[Davidpt]

I enjoy questioning the clowns in the NOSAS circus.
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What does 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teach ?
No hurry, take your time

So now I'm a clown. Wow. From now on I don't care to converse with you any longer. If that is the way you view me, don't respond to me anymore. After all, clowns are not anyone that anyone can take serious. That's one point you are trying to make. If you don't agree NOSAS is Biblical, that doesn't give you the right to label someone a clown who thinks it is Biblical. Why can't you keep garbage like that confined to your own mind? If you want to think I'm a clown, that's your right to think so. But I don't need to hear your evil inner thoughts about that. Keep stuff like that to yourself. No way did the Holy Spirit cause thoughts like that to enter your mind, that anyone that thinks NOSAS is Biblical, they are clowns. Thoughts like that about someone comes from the enemy , demons and such, not from the Holy Spirit.

Any professed believer that calls another professed believer a clown, for whatever reason, that person is not under the influence of the Holy Spirit at the time since the Holy Spirit would never cause one professed believer to demean another professed believer in that manner. That is not the gospel, it's the opposite of the gospel.

 

[PeterAndroz]

So now I'm a clown. Wow. From now on I don't care to converse with you any longer. If that is the way you view me, don't respond to me anymore. After all, clowns are not anyone that anyone can take serious. That's one point you are trying to make. If you don't agree NOSAS is Biblical, that doesn't give you the right to label someone a clown who thinks it is Biblical. Why can't you keep garbage like that confined to your own mind? If you want to think I'm a clown, that's your right to think so. But I don't need to hear your evil inner thoughts about that. Keep stuff like that to yourself. No way did the Holy Spirit cause thoughts like that to enter your mind, that anyone that thinks NOSAS is Biblical, they are clowns. Thoughts like that about someone comes from the enemy , demons and such, not from the Holy Spirit.

Any professed believer that calls another professed believer a clown, for whatever reason, that person is not under the influence of the Holy Spirit at the time since the Holy Spirit would never cause one professed believer to demean another professed believer in that manner. That is not the gospel, it's the opposite of the gospel.

""So now I'm a clown.""
What does 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teach ?
I see you were unable to answer the above question.
Want to try again ?

 

[PeterAndroz]

Yes. Even these mythical so called "ignorant persons" you speak of.
ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
...and all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire.
God's ways are higher than ours as the heavens are higher than the earth.
Your righteousness is as filthy rags.
Going about to establish their OWN righteousness.

All arguments against God sending every sinner to the lake of fire is rebellion against God. And all arguments against torment in the lake of fire for eternity is also rebellion.

If the gift is eternal then so too is the punishment.

Acts 17:30 is not a "Get out of Hell Free Card". You are perverting Scripture.

""Yes. Even these mythical so called "ignorant persons" you speak of.""
Yes, how can they possibly know what is required to enter eternal life if they were IGNORANT !!!
How could they possibly know they were breaking commandments if they were IGNORANT !!!
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LOF is for those who HEAR the Gospel, UNDERSTAND the Gospel then REJECT IT.
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Now list the verses that teach the TRULY IGNORANT go to the LOF :)

 

[JimKnox]

""Yes. Even these mythical so called "ignorant persons" you speak of.""
Yes, how can they possibly know what is required to enter eternal life if they were IGNORANT !!!
How could they possibly know they were breaking commandments if they were IGNORANT !!!
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LOF is for those who HEAR the Gospel, UNDERSTAND the Gospel then REJECT IT.
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Now list the verses that teach the TRULY IGNORANT go to the LOF :)

Ya want chapter and verse huh?
ok. Here ya go:
Romans 3:10-11.
In fact: read ALL of chapter 3.
You do not oppose me.
You are opposing God; your Creator.
Romans 3:3-6.
Then go read Rev 20:15

You either believe the Bible or you do not.
It is that simple.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Ya want chapter and verse huh?
ok. Here ya go:
Romans 3:10-11.
In fact: read ALL of chapter 3.
You do not oppose me.
You are opposing God; your Creator.
Romans 3:3-6.
Then go read Rev 20:15

You either believe the Bible or you do not.
It is that simple.

We are talking TRULY IGNORANT
Where does Rev 20:15 teach the TRULY IGNORANT go to the LOF ?
Nowhere buddy, nor does Rom 3.
Ya welcome to try again NOSAS :)

 

[Davidpt]

""So now I'm a clown.""
What does 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teach ?
I see you were unable to answer the above question.
Want to try again ?

I have decided I may have over reacted a bit. Have other things on my mind lately. Just recently I found out that a woman I have known since she was 22 years old, a woman that worked with me in the past and that we still conversed with each via Facebook, except I haven't had Facebook for two or 3 years now, thus lost contact with her, that in late June she was struck by a train and killed instantly. She was 54, meaning I have known her for 32 years. She was there for me when my dad died. She was there for me when our AC in our home broke down and that she drove 30 miles from where she lived and brought us an extra ac she had but was no longer using at the time.

And I wasn't even there for her, and that she may have let the train hit her on purpose. Had I known her mindset had shifted to something like that, I would have done everything in my power to try and talk some sense into her if I discerned she was becoming suicidal. But who am I kidding? Right? I can't even convince anyone in here that I might be right about some things they think I'm wrong about. Therefore, based on my track record in here, I probably couldn't have talkied any sense into her, regardless. But then again she and I clicked and understood each other almost perfectly. Not about Bible related things. But just common sense things in general.

 

[markalan]

We are talking TRULY IGNORANT
Where does Rev 20:15 teach the TRULY IGNORANT go to the LOF ?
Nowhere buddy, nor does Rom 3.
Ya welcome to try again NOSAS :)

I've always thought that the judgment in Rev 20 includes the "truly ignorant" who are judged by their works.

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Then another book was opened, which is the book of life.
And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. (Rev 20:12)

God gave each person a conscience so that they would know how to live morally. That is how I believe God will judge the "truly ignorant".

For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires,
they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts,
while their conscience also bears witness,
and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them. (Romans 2:15)

 

[PeterAndroz]

I have decided I may have over reacted a bit. Have other things on my mind lately. Just recently I found out that a woman I have known since she was 22 years old, a woman that worked with me in the past and that we still conversed with each via Facebook, except I haven't had Facebook for two or 3 years now, thus lost contact with her, that in late June she was struck by a train and killed instantly. She was 54, meaning I have known her for 32 years. She was there for me when my dad died. She was there for me when our AC in our home broke down and that she drove 30 miles from where she lived and brought us an extra ac she had but was no longer using at the time.

And I wasn't even there for her, and that she may have let the train hit her on purpose. Had I known her mindset had shifted to something like that, I would have done everything in my power to try and talk some sense into her if I discerned she was becoming suicidal. But who am I kidding? Right? I can't even convince anyone in here that I might be right about some things they think I'm wrong about. Therefore, based on my track record in here, I probably couldn't have talkied any sense into her, regardless. But then again she and I clicked and understood each other almost perfectly. Not about Bible related things. But just common sense things in general.

Turmoil/disaster/loss in our life does not alter the teachings of Scripture
What does 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teach you ?
To me it teaches that those who :-
Who hear, believe, understand, trust that Christ died, was buried then rose 3 days later so their sins can be forgiven ARE saved & ARE HS sealed till redemption

 

[PeterAndroz]

I've always thought that the judgment in Rev 20 includes the "truly ignorant" who are judged by their works.

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Then another book was opened, which is the book of life.
And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. (Rev 20:12)

God gave each person a conscience so that they would know how to live morally. That is how I believe God will judge the "truly ignorant".

For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires,
they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts,
while their conscience also bears witness,
and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them. (Romans 2:15)

First, good to see polite discussion rather than a pee distance competition.
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"truly ignorant ..judged by works..." c/- book & bookSSSS
Yes and that raises an interesting scenario :-
Do the entries in the 'bookSSS' determine whether they are in the BOL or not ?
>IF< that is the case then it sounds like the TRULY IGNORANT may not go to the LOF ????
Thoughts ?