MY GOSPEL

[Big Boy Johnson]

The law and the prophets stopped prophesizing about the kingdom because Jesus was now offering it to Israel but the law and the prophets were still to be fulfilled by the death and resurrection of Christ.

So your claim is Jesus spoke in error in Luke 16:16 ?

 

[Doug]

So your claim is Jesus spoke in error in Luke 16:16 ?

[Luk 16:16 KJV] 16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Jesus was saying the prophets spoke of the kingdom on earth (the kingdom of God0 until John because thats when the kingdom would be offered and if Israel repented would enter into it

This doent prevent the prophets still speaking of his death and resurrection which were yet to be fulfilled

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Jesus was saying the prophets spoke of the kingdom on earth (the kingdom of God0 until John because thats when the kingdom would be offered and if Israel repented would enter into it

This doent prevent the prophets still speaking of his death and resurrection which were yet to be fulfilled

Too bad you don't know the Bible definition of what the Kingdom of God is

None the less, Jesus took away the old covenant. He then established the New Covenant.

Starting with the ministry of John the Baptist, the New Covenant started being taught which is the Gospel of the Kingdom

Others can do whatever they want, but I'm walking in God's Kingdom in this life, right now!

 

[complete]

I agree with all you say but, here I differ. I dont agree in saying Paul didnt reveal the body of Christ until he penned the prison letters.

[1Co 12:27 KJV] 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

1 Corinthians was written around Acts 20, before prison

Paul speaks of the mystery in Romans written in Acts 20 before prison

'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets, (therefore searchable)
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:'
(Rom 16:25-26)

'Now ye are the body of Christ,
and members in particular.'
(1Co 12:27)

Hello Doug,

Thank you for both responses (above), in regard to 1 Corinthians 12:27 and Romans 16:25-26.

The Roman epistle ends with a doxology which refers to The Mystery of Christ, which though shrouded in mystery, was still the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, and made known to all of the New Testament apostles and prophets by revelation, including Paul. It was therefore the subject of all the epistles written during the Acts period. which is not so regarding The Mystery made known to Paul exclusively: That was not revealed prior to it's revelation at the end of the Acts period, and is only made known in the prison epistles of Paul, namely Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Tit. & Phil, See Eph. 3:8-9. 'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:'

The Corinthian reference is particularly associated with the distribution of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and is an illustration using the parts of the human body. This in itself is nothing like what is described in Ephesians regarding the Body of Christ, which is a joint body.
The word 'particular' in the verse quoted:-' Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.' has the meaning of 'each in it's part'. So has no reference to a mystery which is spoken of corporately, not individually, within which spiritual gifts are not in evidence, and which at the point of the writing of Corinthians was still 'hid in God'.

* I agree that the usage of the words 'the body of Christ' in Corinthians appears to belie the claim that the prison epistles are the only source of information concerning The Church which is The Body of Christ, but the fact stated in Eph. 3:8-9, that it had been 'hid in God', 'from the beginning of the world' must not be overlooked, along with Col. 1:26. 'Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:'

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

None the less, Jesus took away the old covenant. He then established the New Covenant.

Here is the verse you like to render

[Luk 16:16 KJV] 16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

You say that the law was done away with and a new covenant started........if so why Did Jesus keep commanding to keep the law of Moses?

[Mat 19:17-19 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[Luk 5:14 KJV] 14 And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

 

[Doug]

Starting with the ministry of John the Baptist, the New Covenant started being taught which is the Gospel of the Kingdom

What is the new covenant? It cant be the gospel of the kingdom that was jest telling Israel the kingdom was at hand

 

[Doug]

'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets, (therefore searchable)
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:'
(Rom 16:25-26)

'Now ye are the body of Christ,
and members in particular.'
(1Co 12:27)

Hello Doug,

Thank you for both responses (above), in regard to 1 Corinthians 12:27 and Romans 16:25-26.

The Roman epistle ends with a doxology which refers to The Mystery of Christ, which though shrouded in mystery, was still the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, and made known to all of the New Testament apostles and prophets by revelation, including Paul. It was therefore the subject of all the epistles written during the Acts period. which is not so regarding The Mystery made known to Paul exclusively: That was not revealed prior to it's revelation at the end of the Acts period, and is only made known in the prison epistles of Paul, namely Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Tit. & Phil, See Eph. 3:8-9. 'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:'

The Corinthian reference is particularly associated with the distribution of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and is an illustration using the parts of the human body. This in itself is nothing like what is described in Ephesians regarding the Body of Christ, which is a joint body.
The word 'particular' in the verse quoted:-' Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.' has the meaning of 'each in it's part'. So has no reference to a mystery which is spoken of corporately, not individually, within which spiritual gifts are not in evidence, and which at the point of the writing of Corinthians was still 'hid in God'.

* I agree that the usage of the words 'the body of Christ' in Corinthians appears to belie the claim that the prison epistles are the only source of information concerning The Church which is The Body of Christ, but the fact stated in Eph. 3:8-9, that it had been 'hid in God', 'from the beginning of the world' must not be overlooked, along with Col. 1:26. 'Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:'

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

What churches is Paul writing to in the epistles that arent prison epistles?

 

[Doug]

The Mystery of Christ, which though shrouded in mystery, was still the subject of the Old Testament Prophets,

What are some old testament verses that you say speak of the mystery of Christ written by Paul in his non prison epistles.

 

[Doug]

The Mystery of Christ, which though shrouded in mystery, was still the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, and made known to all of the New Testament apostles and prophets by revelation

Who do you say these apostles are and how did they receive revelation