MY GOSPEL

[rebuilder 454]

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul said the gospel he preached was "my gospel".

The gospel Paul preached was revealed to him by Christ. Galatians 1:12

Christ will stablish, or strengthen, the church according to Paul's gospel. Romans 16:25

Paul's gospel revealed that salvation was to all who believed, apart from Israel and the covenants. Romans 3:22 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:30

Paul's gospel taught that through the cross Christ provided a complete salvation for us. 1 Corinthians 1:18

Paul's gospel taught that Christ died for our sins, as our substitute, for the payment of our debt and penalty for sin. 1 Corinthians 15:3

Paul's gospel revealed that the resurrection of Christ accomplished our justification unto eternal life. Romans 4:25

Paul's gospel and the revelation of the mystery was not found in the scriptures. Romans 16:25

Paul's gospel revealed the mystery of salvation; how God could save sinners. Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26

Paul's gospel revealed a new creature, in which there is neither Jew or Gentile. Galatians 3:28 Galatians 6:15

Paul's gospel revealed the body of Christ. Ephesians 2:16 1 Corinthians 12:27

Paul's gospel revealed our position in the heavenly places. Ephesians 2:6 2 Timothy 4:18

Paul's gospel also preached Christ from the scriptures of the law and prophets. Romans 16:26

Paul was given the dispensation of Grace. Ephesians 3:2

Paul's was given a dispensation of the gospel. 1 Corinthians 9:17

I really hope, one day ,you will discover that salvation is not believing in Paul

Salvation is too simple.
So simple that the human mind, as you have demonstrated , will pervert WHAT IT REALLY IS.

HELLO...NEWS FLASH!!!!!
...SALVATION IS A PERSON...NOT YOUR STRING OF WORDS.!!!!
JESUS IS SALVATION.
SALVATION IS A PERSON.

 

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You cited Colo 1:25-27​

If I am correct you are saying that when it says the mystery IS NOW made manifest, it means the mystery wasnt made known before Ephesians which was written in prison​

'Whereof I am made a minister,
according to the dispensation of God
which is given to me for you,
to fulfil the word of God;
Even the mystery
which hath been hid from ages and from generations,
but now is made manifest to His saints:
To whom God would make known
what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles;
which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:'
(Col 1:25-27)

Hello @Doug,

Yes, I quoted the above in my entry, as you say.

This is not correct.....look at Romans 16​

[Rom 16:25-26 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:​

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Paul says the mystery is NOW MADE MANIFEST.........this epistle was before prison​

* In Romans 16: 25-26, as I have said previously, is mentioned a mystery, characterised by having been:-
1) kept secret since the world began,
2) but now is made manifest,
3) and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
4) made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

* This mystery, is, 'The Mystery of Christ' made known to all the Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament, including Paul, by the Spirit. This mystery, though secret, was the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, and of the gospels, the earlier epistles of Paul, and the general epistles It simply needed the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit to reveal it.

* Whereas 'The Mystery', which is revealed by Paul in the prison epistles, had been, 'hid in God' since the world began, and was 'unsearchable ' (Eph. 3:8-9) because not the subject of the Old Testament prophets, or the earlier works of Paul, the gospels or the general epistles. It had been revealed exclusively to Paul, and was now made known by him from his prison cell, to the visitors received, and by the epistles that were written during that period.

The revelations given Paul were progressive and might be a better explanation than saying no mysteries were revealed before prison.

* The other mysteries, or secrets, revealed to Paul, either the 'the mystery of Israel's blindness' (Romans 11:25), or, the mystery of 1 Corinthians 15:51, were not part of a progressive revelation. For both, were not unknown to the Old Testament prophets. So very likely were revealed to the Apostles as part of, 'The Mystery of Christ'. For the Lord Jesus Christ spoke concerning the second one Himself, to Martha, at the time of the resurrection of Lazarus. '... yet shall he live' (John 11:25).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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I really hope, one day ,you will discover that salvation is not believing in Paul

Salvation is too simple.
So simple that the human mind, as you have demonstrated , will pervert WHAT IT REALLY IS.

HELLO...NEWS FLASH!!!!!
...SALVATION IS A PERSON...NOT YOUR STRING OF WORDS.!!!!
JESUS IS SALVATION.
SALVATION IS A PERSON.

Hello @rebuilder 454,

We are discussing what is said in the Scriptures concerning the gospel that Paul preached, and why he should define it so catagorically as, 'My Gospel'. We have been saved by God's grace, of that you may be assured. Thank you for your concern.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

I really hope, one day ,you will discover that salvation is not believing in Paul

Salvation is too simple.
So simple that the human mind, as you have demonstrated , will pervert WHAT IT REALLY IS.

HELLO...NEWS FLASH!!!!!
...SALVATION IS A PERSON...NOT YOUR STRING OF WORDS.!!!!
JESUS IS SALVATION.
SALVATION IS A PERSON.

I dont know what this means
Of course our salvation is found in the person of the Lord Jesus
But if thats all we need for salvation why do we have to believe the gospel
I dont have faith in Paul but Paul was sent by Jesus to reveal the righteousness of God

 

[Doug]

3) and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God,

You are saying Rom 16:25-26 says .........the preaching of Christ according to the revelation of the mystery by the scriptures of the prophets..........is this right?

 

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You are saying Rom 16:25-26 says .........the preaching of Christ according to the revelation of the mystery by the scriptures of the prophets..........is this right?

Hi @Doug,

'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
1) according to my gospel,
2) and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
3) according to the revelation of the mystery,
4) which was kept secret since the world began,
5) But now is made manifest,
6) and by the scriptures of the prophets,
7) according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
8) made known to all nations
9) for the obedience of faith:'
(Rom 16:25-26)

* This is 'The Mystery of Christ' (Eph. 3:4) . Each point within the verses above revealing further detail concerning it. It also echoes the first five verses of the first chapter of Romans, which tells us the gospel that Paul was separated unto.

1) Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
2) called to be an apostle,
3) separated unto the gospel of God,
4) (Which He had promised afore
5) by His prophets in the holy scriptures,)
6) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
7) which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
8) And declared to be the Son of God with power,
9) according to the spirit of holiness,
10) by the resurrection from the dead:
11) By whom we have received grace and apostleship,
12) for obedience to the faith
13) among all nations,
14) for His name:
(Rom 1:1-5)

Praise God! For His word.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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@Doug.

'Of which salvation the prophets have enquired
and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time
the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand
the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed,
that not unto themselves,
but unto us they did minister
the things, which are now reported unto you
by them that have preached the gospel unto you
with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven;
which things the angels desire to look into.'
(1Pet. 1:10-12)

Praise God!

 

[Doug]

2) but now is made manifest,
3) and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God,

Romans 16:25-26........Are you saying the revelation of the mystery was by the scriptures of the prophets?

I just want to know if this is what you are saying.......please just a yes or no

 

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Romans 16:25-26........Are you saying the revelation of the mystery was by the scriptures of the prophets?

I just want to know if this is what you are saying.......please just a yes or no

3) separated unto the gospel of God,
4) (Which He had promised afore
5) by His prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Hi @Doug,

* The content of Romans 16:25-26 answers that question, I do not need to say anything.

The revelation of the mystery was divinely wrought, but it was by the scriptures of the prophets of the Old Testament that it was revealed, though the Prophets themselves at the time of prophesying, did not understand it, though they searched diligently in order to do so (1 Pet. 1:10-12). Only when God lightened the eyes of the Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament, did understanding come. By revelation from above, by means of the Old Testament Scriptures.

Yes, this is what is written, therefore what I believe.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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'Then He said unto them,
O fools, and slow of heart to believe
all that the prophets have spoken:
Ought not Christ to have suffered these things,
and to enter into His glory?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
he expounded unto them
in all the scriptures
the things concerning Himself.'
(Luke 24:25-27)

Praise God!

 

[Doug]

3) separated unto the gospel of God,
4) (Which He had promised afore
5) by His prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Hi @Doug,

* The content of Romans 16:25-26 answers that question, I do not need to say anything.

The revelation of the mystery was divinely wrought, but it was by the scriptures of the prophets of the Old Testament that it was revealed, though the Prophets themselves at the time of prophesying, did not understand it, though they searched diligently in order to do so (1 Pet. 1:10-12). Only when God lightened the eyes of the Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament, did understanding come. By revelation from above, by means of the Old Testament Scriptures.

Yes, this is what is written, therefore what I believe.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

It may be that Romans 16:25-26 is, as you say, written, but it has to be properly understood and taught

Let me be clear here, I am not denigrating or contending with you........I am speaking against the teaching of your teachers, whoever they are

To say that Romans16 is saying that the revelation of the mystery was hid or veiled in the old testament prophets is violating normal sentence structure in these two verses.

This is how the verse reads, unlike your reading;
Paul is preaching Jesus two ways
first by the revelation of the mystery
AND by the scriptures of the prophets secondly

Stay with me now......

[Eph 3:4-5 KJV] 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

This passage is used to say that NOW, only from Paul's prison epistles, is made known the mystery.

The problem to this arises from this passage.
[Rom 16:25-26 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Paul is saying that the revelation of the mystery is NOW made manifest.......this is a problem because Paul says the mystery is revealed NOW, but this was an epistle before prison.....this passage has to be explained away......this passage flies in the face of their assertion that only the prison epistles reveal the mystery. Your teachers have to therefore misread Romans 16:25-26 to reflect their assertion that the mystery was found in the old testament prophets.

We can see the same approach to 1 Corinthians...............[1Co 15:51-52 KJV] 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Paul shows us a mystery, but there is a problem, Paul can't show us any mysteries before prison
How is it dealt with?
They say it is talking about Matthew 24.......[Mat 24:31 KJV] 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This verse says the angels will gather his elect, so they say we are the elect that will be gathered in the "rapture". they explain it away and say this is what Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians 15:52...............[1Co 15:52 KJV] 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed..........they say the "rapture" was hid in Matthew 24 and was not a mystery.....it is only revealing what was in Matthew 24

 

[Doug]

'Then He said unto them,
O fools, and slow of heart to believe
all that the prophets have spoken:
Ought not Christ to have suffered these things,
and to enter into His glory?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
he expounded unto them
in all the scriptures
the things concerning Himself.'
(Luke 24:25-27)

Praise God!

I dont know why you posted this verse but yes the prophets spoke of the sufferings, death and resurrection, They were NOT a mystery, just not fully comprehended at the time they were written.
Paul did make manifest the law and prophets but he also preached the mystery NOT hidden in them.

 

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It may be that Romans 16:25-26 is, as you say, written, but it has to be properly understood and taught​

​

Let me be clear here, I am not denigrating or contending with you........I am speaking against the teaching of your teachers, whoever they are​

​

To say that Romans16 is saying that the revelation of the mystery was hid or veiled in the old testament prophets is violating normal sentence structure in these two verses.​

​

This is how the verse reads, unlike your reading;​

Paul is preaching Jesus two ways​

first by the revelation of the mystery​

AND by the scriptures of the prophets secondly​

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Stay with me now......​

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[Eph 3:4-5 KJV] 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;​

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This passage is used to say that NOW, only from Paul's prison epistles, is made known the mystery.​

'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel,
and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets,
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:'
(Rom 16:25)

Hello @Doug,

Thank you for your assurances, and for your reply.

The problem to this arises from this passage.​

[Rom 16:25-26 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:​

Paul is saying that the revelation of the mystery is NOW made manifest.......this is a problem because Paul says the mystery is revealed NOW, but this was an epistle before prison.....this passage has to be explained away......this passage flies in the face of their assertion that only the prison epistles reveal the mystery. Your teachers have to therefore misread Romans 16:25-26 to reflect their assertion that the mystery was found in the old testament prophets.​

* Yes, 'The Mystery of Christ' had been made known to the Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament, including Paul. It was made known to them by the Holy Spirit (see Eph. 3:4-5). It was made known, 'by the scriptures of the prophets' (Romans 16:25-26), by revelation.

* This is not, 'The Mystery', which Paul alone received by divine revelation, and made known in the letters written during Paul's confinement, (Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Titus & Phile.). for it is not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or any other Scripture, having been 'hid in God' since the world began.

We can see the same approach to 1 Corinthians...............[1Co 15:51-52 KJV] 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.​

Paul shows us a mystery, but there is a problem, Paul can't show us any mysteries before prison​

* I have never said that other mysteries were not revealed before the prison epistles were written. For they were, as you point out. both in Romans and Corinthians: along with 'The Mystery of Christ' which is the subject of the gospels, the early epistles of Paul, and that of the epistles written by the other Apostles of Christ in the New Testament.

How is it dealt with?​

They say it is talking about Matthew 24.......[Mat 24:31 KJV] 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

This verse says the angels will gather his elect, so they say we are the elect that will be gathered in the "rapture". they explain it away and say this is what Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians 15:52...............[1Co 15:52 KJV] 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed..........they say the "rapture" was hid in Matthew 24 and was not a mystery.....it is only revealing what was in Matthew 24​

* I cannot identify with this, @Doug, for it is not something I have heard before.

* I go by what is written, not what is said by any individual.

Thank you, @Doug
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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I dont know why you posted this verse but yes the prophets spoke of the sufferings, death and resurrection, They were NOT a mystery, just not fully comprinted at the time they were written.
Paul did make manifest the law and prophets but he also preached the mystery NOT hidden in them.

Hello again, @Doug,

Yes, Paul made known 'The Mystery' concerning the church which is the Body of Christ, in the Prison Epistles, following it's revelation to him alone, It is not the subject of any other Scriptures written prior to that. We have covered this in previous posts, so I won't say more.

Thank you for your time and patience,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

* This is not, 'The Mystery', which Paul alone received by divine revelation, and made known in the letters written during Paul's confinement, (Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Titus & Phile.). for it is not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or any other Scripture, having been 'hid in God' since the world began.

so you are saying there are two mysteries.........mystery in the OT prophets...........mystery revelations not found in the prophets.....I know of no such scripture for this outside of you saying it's in Romans 16:25-26 and Ephesians 3:10.on the basis of them saying the mystery is now
Now can be used by Paul in a general sense as reflecting this present time and not just a moment in time..................[Phm 1:11 KJV] 11 Which in time past was to thee unprofitable, but now profitable to thee and to me:

 

[Doug]

* I have never said that other mysteries were not revealed before the prison epistles were written. For they were, as you point out. both in Romans and Corinthians: along with 'The Mystery of Christ' which is the subject of the gospels, the early epistles of Paul, and that of the epistles written by the other Apostles of Christ in the New Testament.

Paul shows us a mystery, but there is a problem, Paul can't show us any mysteries before prison

I should have worded it by being explicit and said.......Paul cant show mysteries not revealed from the prophets until he received them in prison

 

[Doug]

I cannot identify with this, @Doug, for it is not something I have heard before.

Your believers.com said that the mystery of the "rapture" was found in Matthews 24,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The Hope Of Paul's Epistles Written During The Time Of Acts - Believer.com
I believe I asked you about this

 

[Doug]

I go by what is written, not what is said by any individual.

You said you do your own studies and relied on certain teachers like believers.com

 

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so you are saying there are two mysteries.........mystery in the OT prophets...........mystery revelations not found in the prophets.....I know of no such scripture for this outside of you saying it's in Romans 16:25-26 and Ephesians 3:10.on the basis of them saying the mystery is now
Now can be used by Paul in a general sense as reflecting this present time and not just a moment in time..................[Phm 1:11 KJV] 11 Which in time past was to thee unprofitable, but now profitable to thee and to me:

'For this cause I Paul,
the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation He made known unto me the mystery;
as I wrote afore in few words, whereby, when ye read,
ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body,
and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:'
(Eph 3:1-6)

Hello @Doug,

With respect, it would seem that you have not read my previous posts, for I have reiterated the fact of there being two mysteries referred to in Ephesians chapter three. I have also explained them to the best of my ability, and I stand by that.

This is too precious to argue over, Doug, and will not edify anyone. I am not going to inflict my understanding of this subject upon you, for it will be flawed at best, and I would far prefer to be reading what the Scriptures have to say about it. For that is not flawed in any way, and is trustworthy.

With my very best regards to you,
I pray that we shall both be blessed with open understanding
in regard to this subject, and receive what we read with minds
open and ready to receive all that is written for our learning.
and pray that we may receive the spirit of wisdom and revelation
in the knowledge of God, to the praise of His glory.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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You said you do your own studies and relied on certain teachers like believers.com

Hello again, @Doug,

Like the Bereans of old, who were commended in Acts 17, I endeavour to receive what I hear with all readiness of mind, and search the Scriptures to ensure that what I am hearing is true.

Yes, I find the web site, believer.com sound, and have also been blessed by other ministries, especially that of The Berean Publishing Trust in London. The works of Dr Bullinger, Charles Welch and Stuart Allen.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris