My journey through Calvinism

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John Caldwell

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I grew up in a small Baptist church in Marietta Georgia. I was saved at a fairly young age and active in the youth ministry. I earned my Bachelor’s degree in religion (from a Baptist university) and my Master’s in theology. When I retired from the military I became more active in our association and the ministry.

My view changed at some point, influenced largely by Jonathan Edwards, and I became a Calvinist. As a preacher some of my sermons (depending on the topic) were influenced by my Calvinistic understanding of the atonement.

One Sunday I was invited to be a guest preacher at a church in our association. I preached a sermon about the Cross. I was pleased with the sermon. The next morning I awoke plagued with the conviction that I had leaned the sermon to my understanding. I purchased two dry erase boards and hung them in my office. I wrote my belief (Penal Substitution Theory) and verses corresponding to the Theory. Then I removed all verses that did not specifically affirm the Theory. I was left with no verses at all. The more I studied the more I became convinced Calvin did not do Christianity a service when he articulated the Theory. That is when I stopped being a Calvinist.

So here are three changes in my belief. I became saved. I became a Calvinist because I agree with Edwardian Calvinism as it pertains particularly to matters of the will and predestination. And I stopped identifying with Calvinism because I do not affirm its theory of the atonement.

Regardless of what a few members here would have you believe, this does not mean I am lying about my belief. It means that I am in the process of learning and refining what I believe. This is the opposite of being dead and stagnant. It is also the opposite of being as a reed blown by the wind. It is an ever progressing process where I am growing in Christ and in my faith.

I still affirm the same gospel I believed when I was saved. I still affirm Edwardian Calvinism insofar as the idea of predestination and issues of the will are concerned. But I have let go of the things that I have come to see as error.

I have discovered that a few people despise me for having been a Calvinistic preacher, having taught Calvinism, and leaving that camp. They would prefer to pretend I never understood Calvinism, which is asinine. Calvinism is beautifully simplistic in its interlocking doctrines. Some would slander me as if I now hate Calvinists as if one’s understanding of Scripture would be a cause for hate. I think they see me as a traitor because I was once one of them. I do not understand this “campish” way of thinking. It seems like a cult mentality to me (slander anyone who leaves the cult).

But to correct that way of thinking – I believe that our understanding should develop and change as we progress in our Christian walk. I do not believe that we will hold a perfect understanding in this lifetime. Instead I think that we see as through a mirror dimly, but when we are resurrected we shall see clearly. We are responsible for our understanding, but our responsibility is between us and God. We lean on Christ and not our understanding. We trust in Him. Understanding, hopefully, changes and grows. He is eternally constant.
 
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I can understand someone following Calvin (even Edwards, God Forbid! LOL). I do see a lot of value in both their teachings, however, at this point in my life, I tend to lean more toward Christian Reconstructionism.
 
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And I don't lean towards any... system except that which God's Holy Writ itself teaches. Preachers on a retirement pension can't maintain that same attitude and expect to keep their pension. It's just like everything in this present world involving the flesh, its systems and workings are doomed to perish.

John 17 with our Lord Jesus' prayer, better explains the idea of predestination as a whole than any other Bible Scripture, in my opinion.

We well know that Apostle Paul preached predestination of Christ's chosen elect, and he also preached warnings for the believer to not fall away into sin after their having believed on Jesus Christ. Jesus said many are called, but few are chosen. That wasn't just a saying. It points to the difference between His predestined elect whom He sent vs. those who are called only.

John 17:18-21
18 As Thou hast sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

These above Jesus is speaking of His Apostles He 'sent'; those are chosen. Those in the next verse in red is about those called only, like most of us.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me.
KJV
 

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I do not believe any one person has developed a perfect theology. We are all human and subject to the human condition (we are finite trying to comprehend an infinite God). At the same time, I believe that all Christians have something to offer.

It’s like the illustration of eating the fish and spitting out the bones. I suppose sometimes people choke on the bones and never recover.

I lean more towards the ECF’s on much of the soteriological issues. I do not believe we need to always take a concrete systematic approach in developing precise doctrines of how God did this and thought that. I suspect human wisdom has more to do with some theologies I once held. I am satisfied with a motif (which affords more room to move, I suppose) rather than a dogmatic theory.

Regardless we are all Christians on the same journey. There is an IFB church down the road. They are KJVO and very legalistic. But God is using these people in a meaningful way to reach their community. I respect the pastor (although I disagree with him) and we have met and had good conversations over our differences. I have no problem visiting the congregation although I would not be a member.

We can separate over doctrine and hold firmly to our views while being united in Christ.
 

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Calvinism is beautifully simplistic in its interlocking doctrines.
Calvinism is more like dominoes. After you knock one over they all fall down.

Anyhow what does Penal Substitution have to do with Calvinism? Calvinism means Limited Atonement and Penal Substitution means Unlimited Atonement.
 

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Calvinism is more like dominoes. After you knock one over they all fall down.

Anyhow what does Penal Substitution have to do with Calvinism? Calvinism means Limited Atonement and Penal Substitution means Unlimited Atonement.
Penal Substitution Theory is John Calvin's articulation of the Atonement. It moves the Atonement from the moral/merit arena where it was under the RCC at the time of Calvin with the "treasury of merit" to the courtroom setting (Calvin was a lawyer). This view is basic to Calvinism (historic Calvinism, not just TULIP). The Five Points depend on the Atonement being rooted in solving the issue of retributive justice (sin must be punished so that God can forgive/ God would be unjust to forgive without punishing the crime).
 

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Penal Substitution Theory is John Calvin's articulation of the Atonement. It moves the Atonement from the moral/merit arena where it was under the RCC at the time of Calvin with the "treasury of merit" to the courtroom setting (Calvin was a lawyer). This view is basic to Calvinism (historic Calvinism, not just TULIP). The Five Points depend on the Atonement being rooted in solving the issue of retributive justice (sin must be punished so that God can forgive/ God would be unjust to forgive without punishing the crime).
John,

Apart from all the theological lingo (for which God has no interest), it seems that you want to have your cake and eat it too. On one hand you praise Five Point Calvinism, and on the other hand you claim that it is unacceptable. So make up your mind.

As to the Atonement, we do not rely on either the Catholic Church, or the Orthodox Church, or the Reformed churches. The Bible should be quite sufficient.

Did Christ pay the penalty for the sins of the whole world? Absolutely.

Were the just demands of God's justice met at the cross? Absolutely.
 

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John,

Apart from all the theological lingo (for which God has no interest), it seems that you want to have your cake and eat it too. On one hand you praise Five Point Calvinism, and on the other hand you claim that it is unacceptable. So make up your mind.

As to the Atonement, we do not rely on either the Catholic Church, or the Orthodox Church, or the Reformed churches. The Bible should be quite sufficient.

Did Christ pay the penalty for the sins of the whole world? Absolutely.

Were the just demands of God's justice met at the cross? Absolutely.
I praise Calvinism for emphasizing the sovereignty of God in salvation. I praise John Calvin for his pastoral works and his writings on prayer (they are fantastic). And above all I praise God in His use of Calvinists, non-Calvinists, and Anti-Calvinists for His Kingdom.
 
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I praise Calvinism for emphasizing the sovereignty of God in salvation.
Well there you go. The sovereignty of God has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.

Salvation is all about THE GRACE OF GOD which bringeth salvation to ALL MEN (Tit 2:11). And because the Calvinists focused on their version of God's sovereignty, they decided to teach that God elects some for salvation and other for damnation. Which is against the Gospel, and is indeed *another gospel*.

So in fact, you are seriously conflicted in your theology, and you need to make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.
 

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Well there you go. The sovereignty of God has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.

Salvation is all about THE GRACE OF GOD which bringeth salvation to ALL MEN (Tit 2:11). And because the Calvinists focused on their version of God's sovereignty, they decided to teach that God elects some for salvation and other for damnation. Which is against the Gospel, and is indeed *another gospel*.

So in fact, you are seriously conflicted in your theology, and you need to make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.
I disagree (I believe divine sovereignty is absolutely essential). But at the same time I believe grace has been extended to all mankind.

There is no conflict except for those who choose either of two narrow positions.

I can have it both ways because I do not believe God is just a "big man upstairs". His will is not our will.

If God is omniscient and eternal then by the very act of creation God determined all that would occur. But we exist within time and exercise free will. It IS "both ways".

Where Calvinism fails is the false narritive it creates - not its insistence on a sovereign God.
 
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