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Nationalism As a Religion (cult)
Nationalism, just as religion has its fathers of the 'faith', its 'sacred' writings, symbols, its creeds and oaths of allegiance, songs/hymns of praise, it's shrines, its heroes of the 'faith' and martyrs, defenders of the 'faith', the crime of treason/heresy, requirements/demands for sacrifice and service, and financial obligations. Nations grant 'absolution' for acts done to defend it that other wise would be crimes. It has willing followers who pledge their lives, fortunes, sacred honor, and families to defend it. It has rewards for service, ideals and goals that unite believers, and offers an identity that transcends self for the perceived common good. Nationalism just as false religion uses myths (lies widely believed to be true) to keep their adherants compliant with the leaders' carnal agendas. Here is an example of this use of lies by a long deceased expert:

"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

How to Start a War: The American Use of War
Jan 9, 2012 ... The creation of false excuses to justify going to war is a major first step in ... Politicians rally people around the flag, lending their special oratory skills to ... Every time the US has gone to war, pretext incidents have been used.
http://www.globalres....rticleId=28554

When a Christian worships at the altar of nationalism/patriotism he is simply bowing down to another religion just as Nebuchadnezzer required.

Christians worship at this altar when they send their sons and daughters off to fight, kill, be maimed and die in its carnal wars, allow their children to be brained washed by the propaganda of US history, engage in the uncleanness of partisan politics, swear oaths to serve it, and pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth that is the symbol of a nation that has done at least as much evil as good in the world, as well as within its own borders.
Shadrach, Meshack, and Abed-Nego understood this and so refused to bow down. They knew what kingdom they were citizens of just as Daniel did, and the true nature of ALL earthly kingdoms. Christians do not seem to know this and pay a very high price because they do not.

First it is pledging allegiance to something that as Christians we cannot support and is a lie. This nation is not under God in the sense it obeys Him, there is NOT liberty and justice for all, and that God's name is Jesus.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
AND
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

AND Psalm 2:1 Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

THIS IS THE NEARLY COMPLETED PLAN FOR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE TRAINING USED BY THE MILITARY TO TURN HUMANS INTO KILLERS WHICH IS TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT GOD BUILT INTO ALL. THE MARINES SEEM TO BE THE BEST AT THIS. PLEASE SEE ON KILLING BY DAVE GROSSMAN. HIS SOLUTIONS ARE JUNK BUT HIS THESIS IS RIGHT ON.

THE US AIR FORCE HAS A SEMINAR FOR ITS OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAUNCHING NUCLEAR MISSILES THAT QUOTES THE BIBLE TO PROVE JESUS SAYS IT IS OK TO DO. IT IS TAUGHT BY A CHAPLIN. JESUS NOWHERE SAYS THIS, NOR DOES THE BIBLE. This program has been terminated due to issues of church/state.

There is no such thing as a Christian nation, but Christians in nations being salt and light. The book of Daniel is an excellent commentary on God's view of all government through all time. Note Dan 2:46- 49 compared to chapter 3. Note the mistake Daniel made in 2:46 and 48 which opened the door for chapter 3 to happen. Daniel learned however: Dan 5:16-17. God calls Nebuchadnezzar the greatest ruler in all history. Note what He says about him in Daniel 4:17.

The flag being pledged to is soaked in innocent blood, both of its own citizens and people world wide. Most believe that WWII was a 'just' war for Christians. I will give an examples that it was not. On the night of March 8/9, 1945 over 900 B29's fire bombed Tokyo from 9000 feet. More civilians were killed that night then in Hiroshima. Crews said they could smell the burning flesh. The planes were pressurized! The commander that ordered it said he would be tried as a war criminal if the US lost the war. This was repeated on nearly every major Japanese city except two. They were saved for another purpose.

In the first major US bombing raid that was targeting civilians instead of military targets in Germany the aiming point was the front steps of the city's cathedral at about noon. The lead bombardier questioned it but was ordered to do it. He did. Then there is the example of Dresden and MANY MORE. There is no such thing as a just war for a disciple of Jesus. Who would Jesus shoot?

The Destruction of Dresden - Die Zerstörung
The devastation of Dresden in February, 1945, was one of those crimes against .... how Dresden was destroyed, why it was destroyed, and what lessons we must draw ... The prelude to the bombing of Dresden was sounded by the Russian ...
www.bible-researcher.com/dresden/crossman.html
Bombing of Dresden
People in cults blindly believe and follow everything the leaders tell them. The mindless acceptance of everything the US government says and does by citizens after 9/11 is an excellent example of this thought pattern,

American history books are largely packed with lies and half truths. I taught high school social studies for 22 years and this was one reason Jesus told me to leave teaching. I have since discovered it is much worse than I thought.
All this having been said we are to pray for the government and those in authority, honor those in authority, not be critical, and obey the laws unless they cause us to sin i.e. fight and kill in war. Jesus teaching is AGAINST any civil disobedience for our 'rights'!
 

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Nationalism and Facism are married. Too bad this type of marriage isn't banned.
 

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Organized religion is a curse on mother earth!

Look at all the problems that are happening in America. Its because of that.
 

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Organized religion is a curse on mother earth!

Look at all the problems that are happening in America. Its because of that.
It is because carnal Christians behave much as the carnal Christians did in first and second Corinthians. As soon as man organizes and incorporates God's local assemblies the Holy Spirit is no longer in charge which is the only thing the Corinthians didn't do. Then man's programs take over using the world's methods which has the effect of producing more carnal Christains. Read Genesis 19 for a nearly perfect commentary on the subject.
 

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Nationalism As a Religion (cult)
Nationalism, just as religion has its fathers of the 'faith', its 'sacred' writings, symbols, its creeds and oaths of allegiance, songs/hymns of praise, it's shrines, its heroes of the 'faith' and martyrs, defenders of the 'faith', the crime of treason/heresy, requirements/demands for sacrifice and service, and financial obligations. Nations grant 'absolution' for acts done to defend it that other wise would be crimes. It has willing followers who pledge their lives, fortunes, sacred honor, and families to defend it. It has rewards for service, ideals and goals that unite believers, and offers an identity that transcends self for the perceived common good. Nationalism just as false religion uses myths (lies widely believed to be true) to keep their adherants compliant with the leaders' carnal agendas. Here is an example of this use of lies by a long deceased expert:

"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

How to Start a War: The American Use of War
Jan 9, 2012 ... The creation of false excuses to justify going to war is a major first step in ... Politicians rally people around the flag, lending their special oratory skills to ... Every time the US has gone to war, pretext incidents have been used.
http://www.globalres....rticleId=28554

When a Christian worships at the altar of nationalism/patriotism he is simply bowing down to another religion just as Nebuchadnezzer required.

Christians worship at this altar when they send their sons and daughters off to fight, kill, be maimed and die in its carnal wars, allow their children to be brained washed by the propaganda of US history, engage in the uncleanness of partisan politics, swear oaths to serve it, and pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth that is the symbol of a nation that has done at least as much evil as good in the world, as well as within its own borders.
Shadrach, Meshack, and Abed-Nego understood this and so refused to bow down. They knew what kingdom they were citizens of just as Daniel did, and the true nature of ALL earthly kingdoms. Christians do not seem to know this and pay a very high price because they do not.

First it is pledging allegiance to something that as Christians we cannot support and is a lie. This nation is not under God in the sense it obeys Him, there is NOT liberty and justice for all, and that God's name is Jesus.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
AND
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

AND Psalm 2:1 Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

THIS IS THE NEARLY COMPLETED PLAN FOR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE TRAINING USED BY THE MILITARY TO TURN HUMANS INTO KILLERS WHICH IS TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT GOD BUILT INTO ALL. THE MARINES SEEM TO BE THE BEST AT THIS. PLEASE SEE ON KILLING BY DAVE GROSSMAN. HIS SOLUTIONS ARE JUNK BUT HIS THESIS IS RIGHT ON.

THE US AIR FORCE HAS A SEMINAR FOR ITS OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAUNCHING NUCLEAR MISSILES THAT QUOTES THE BIBLE TO PROVE JESUS SAYS IT IS OK TO DO. IT IS TAUGHT BY A CHAPLIN. JESUS NOWHERE SAYS THIS, NOR DOES THE BIBLE. This program has been terminated due to issues of church/state.

There is no such thing as a Christian nation, but Christians in nations being salt and light. The book of Daniel is an excellent commentary on God's view of all government through all time. Note Dan 2:46- 49 compared to chapter 3. Note the mistake Daniel made in 2:46 and 48 which opened the door for chapter 3 to happen. Daniel learned however: Dan 5:16-17. God calls Nebuchadnezzar the greatest ruler in all history. Note what He says about him in Daniel 4:17.

The flag being pledged to is soaked in innocent blood, both of its own citizens and people world wide. Most believe that WWII was a 'just' war for Christians. I will give an examples that it was not. On the night of March 8/9, 1945 over 900 B29's fire bombed Tokyo from 9000 feet. More civilians were killed that night then in Hiroshima. Crews said they could smell the burning flesh. The planes were pressurized! The commander that ordered it said he would be tried as a war criminal if the US lost the war. This was repeated on nearly every major Japanese city except two. They were saved for another purpose.

In the first major US bombing raid that was targeting civilians instead of military targets in Germany the aiming point was the front steps of the city's cathedral at about noon. The lead bombardier questioned it but was ordered to do it. He did. Then there is the example of Dresden and MANY MORE. There is no such thing as a just war for a disciple of Jesus. Who would Jesus shoot?

The Destruction of Dresden - Die Zerstörung
The devastation of Dresden in February, 1945, was one of those crimes against .... how Dresden was destroyed, why it was destroyed, and what lessons we must draw ... The prelude to the bombing of Dresden was sounded by the Russian ...
www.bible-researcher.com/dresden/crossman.html
Bombing of Dresden
People in cults blindly believe and follow everything the leaders tell them. The mindless acceptance of everything the US government says and does by citizens after 9/11 is an excellent example of this thought pattern,

American history books are largely packed with lies and half truths. I taught high school social studies for 22 years and this was one reason Jesus told me to leave teaching. I have since discovered it is much worse than I thought.
All this having been said we are to pray for the government and those in authority, honor those in authority, not be critical, and obey the laws unless they cause us to sin i.e. fight and kill in war. Jesus teaching is AGAINST any civil disobedience for our 'rights'!

My only suggestion to you is to examine yourself and see how much you benefited form living in this country,what is your life like ? how has it been up until now and would it be better somewhere else...it is to that extent that you have shared in the spoils....no nation is innocent or perfect...never has been one and never will be and i often wonder why people who share your opinions have not moved to some nation where christians are being persecuted and put to death...or as the bible puts it in one case choosing to suffer with Gods people instead of enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.
 

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The creation of the nations is by God's Hand, and they will continue to Eternity per His Word, ESPECIALLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL WHICH HE SAID WILL NEVER END. Nationalism means to have respect for one's country and people.

Thus anti-nationalists are anti-God, which is exactly the platform of Communist Socialism and the New World Order hosts.
 

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The creation of the nations is by God's Hand, and they will continue to Eternity per His Word, ESPECIALLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL WHICH HE SAID WILL NEVER END. Nationalism means to have respect for one's country and people.

Thus anti-nationalists are anti-God, which is exactly the platform of Communist Socialism and the New World Order hosts.
Right you are again.
The reason why the tribe of Israel fell was because of lacking in the solid foundation.

Nationalism today is always pushed as a very bad thing, but the fact is this lot are pushing the ignorance line.

JFK was probably killed for making that line about. Ask not what your country can do for you, But what you can do for your country. as communist would never have a chance to grow wile, with that position in the USA.
 

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There is a big difference between liking your country and Nationalism.
 

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My only suggestion to you is to examine yourself and see how much you benefited form living in this country,what is your life like ? how has it been up until now and would it be better somewhere else...it is to that extent that you have shared in the spoils....no nation is innocent or perfect...never has been one and never will be and i often wonder why people who share your opinions have not moved to some nation where christians are being persecuted and put to death...or as the bible puts it in one case choosing to suffer with Gods people instead of enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.
No one can have anything that God does not allow them to have. If God wanted us "somewhere else" He would have put us there. Of course there are benefits and we are blessed to have them. However never confuse what God uses, blesses, allows, tolerates with what He will inhabit.
I have presented opinions supported by facts. Respect, prayer, obedience to laws, is required by the Bible from any disciple. Cult worship/love of nation is a perversion created by Satan to receive worship and blood sacrifice which nationalism is very good at providing. The mindless attitudes of most people after 9/11 are a perfect example of cult mentality. That same mentality is being used to push for war against Iran, mindless support of Israel's murderous world agenda, and terrorist activity in Syria. The motto seems to be cooperate and behave or we will bring 'democracy' to your nation. Lybia and Iraq are good examples of that murderous agenda. Cult members have total faith in the efficacy of their beliefs for everyone i.e. democracy and "free" enterprise. People are 100% behind these ideas except around April 15th.
Not to worry persecution for Christians (disciples) will soon be coming to the US as it is being turned into a police state slowly but surely. If an American citizen uncharged with any crime can be mudered by "executive order" no one is "safe". If the US can murder a man and his family members illegally in a foreign nation with no evidnce even by the FBI of his involvement in 9/11 then what good is "international law"? If the US can illegally arrest and torture "suspects", including US citizens anywhere in the world by executive order the foundation for a police state is in place.
My question to you is what are you doing about it? If you are not DOING Mark 16:17-18 and Matthew 10:7-8 you are not going to make any difference for anyone no matter what 'nation' you live in.

The true patriot knows when to stop parsing his/her nation and start praying for it, but the fascist never knows when to shut up the praise.
The problem for most Chriatians is they do not know what kingdom they are citizens of. The Bible says we are pilgrims and temporary dwellers on the earth as citzens of King Jesus' Kingdom; and as such disciples are to represent His heart and mind to the world at all times by living Matthew 5, 6, and 7, and doing Mark 16:17-18 and Matthew 10:7-8. If Chriatians will not/ cannot do these things then using the world's carnal methods is all that is left to them. Disciples are neither "patriots" or "fascists" but ambassadors of their King's Kingdom.
 
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Most people are unaware of the syncretism they are engaging in with the strong nationalism that is so popular today.
 

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The creation of the nations is by God's Hand, and they will continue to Eternity per His Word, ESPECIALLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL WHICH HE SAID WILL NEVER END. Nationalism means to have respect for one's country and people.

Thus anti-nationalists are anti-God, which is exactly the platform of Communist Socialism and the New World Order hosts.

Amen! there is a big difference in loving your country and making a god of it to worship. God blessed this country tremenously and it is not the Christians that have dragged it into immorality, but others who do not like to obey the law of this land. it is not perfect, but it is the best there is. So why do people who come here to escape problems in their country, bring the problems with them?
 

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Amen! there is a big difference in loving your country and making a god of it to worship. God blessed this country tremenously and it is not the Christians that have dragged it into immorality, but others who do not like to obey the law of this land. it is not perfect, but it is the best there is. So why do people who come here to escape problems in their country, bring the problems with them?

Exactly! Just why... do peoples from other nations continually want to come to the U.S. and live? Because it's STILL the most freedom-loving and blessed nation by God upon the earth, even while Communist-Socialists have been trying to destroy her from 'within'. And apparently, we have several here on this forum that side with the Communists thinking in that; and I say, SHAME ON THEM! They would destroy the very things in America that allows them to have the knuckle-headed politics they possess.

Christ Jesus created a Kingdom structure upon this earth for His Church, and that's why the Communist-Socialists come to forums like this in order to attack it. And ignorance is no excuse for those who come here pushing the Communist-Socialism lies.

The western Christian nations ARE... the "house of Israel", the part of God's Israel that was separated like Joseph from his brethren. Orthodox Jews of which many are Communists, well know this, and it's why they try to attack the U.S. as a Christian nation. Now with such Socialist controled systems like the European Union, which is actually a Communist front system, their change-agents have stepped up their disinformation strategy to try and get the U.S. to join in. The Communists well understand that the western Christian nations cannot be defeated upon the battlefield, for they've already tried that. The American people who know their GOD will never be defeated either. Christ's enemies cannot do battle against The Sword of The Spirit, for they will get burnt.
 

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Exactly! Just why... do peoples from other nations continually want to come to the U.S. and live? Because it's STILL the most freedom-loving and blessed nation by God upon the earth, even while Communist-Socialists have been trying to destroy her from 'within'. And apparently, we have several here on this forum that side with the Communists thinking in that; and I say, SHAME ON THEM! They would destroy the very things in America that allows them to have the knuckle-headed politics they possess.

Christ Jesus created a Kingdom structure upon this earth for His Church, and that's why the Communist-Socialists come to forums like this in order to attack it. And ignorance is no excuse for those who come here pushing the Communist-Socialism lies.

The western Christian nations ARE... the "house of Israel", the part of God's Israel that was separated like Joseph from his brethren. Orthodox Jews of which many are Communists, well know this, and it's why they try to attack the U.S. as a Christian nation. Now with such Socialist controled systems like the European Union, which is actually a Communist front system, their change-agents have stepped up their disinformation strategy to try and get the U.S. to join in. The Communists well understand that the western Christian nations cannot be defeated upon the battlefield, for they've already tried that. The American people who know their GOD will never be defeated either. Christ's enemies cannot do battle against The Sword of The Spirit, for they will get burnt.

What's this - trailer for Rambo 5?
 

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I'm getting sick and tired of people thinking America is some sort of invencible force. The only reason America is so great is because God willed them to and because the United States has harkened to the Lord's word. But know this, Just as the Lord blessed and protected America for harkening onto his word, he can destroy America for her multitudes of sin. Now's the time to be praying for our nation, not prasing and worshiping it like some lifeless idol.
 

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I'm getting sick and tired of people thinking America is some sort of invencible force. The only reason America is so great is because God willed them to and because the United States has harkened to the Lord's word. But know this, Just as the Lord blessed and protected America for harkening onto his word, he can destroy America for her multitudes of sin. Now's the time to be praying for our nation, not prasing and worshiping it like some lifeless idol.


I can understand that,it is a form of idolatry....i also get tired of people being led to think that America is the only nation that has
fought a war
started a war
killed people in a war
taken land by force
pursued its own interest
Had Slavery
Opressed other people
Opressed its own people
had evil leaders
has evil leaders
and the list goes on,only people ignorant of history and human nature believe such foolishness...every nation that has ever existed has commited some or all of these sins at one time or another.
 

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The creation of the nations is by God's Hand, and they will continue to Eternity per His Word, ESPECIALLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL WHICH HE SAID WILL NEVER END. Nationalism means to have respect for one's country and people.

Thus anti-nationalists are anti-God, which is exactly the platform of Communist Socialism and the New World Order hosts.
Israel is as unregenerate as all the rest of the nations and argueably worse than most.
There will be one world government per his word. What you refer to are tribes/ethnic groups which are quite different than the modern concept of the nation state.
A Christian is not antinationalist. However a disciple of Christ undersands what Kingdom he is a citizen of and lives for that Kinfdom. He does not fall prey to the cult mentality of nationalisn that Satan controls to receive worship and blood sacrifice.

I can understand that,it is a form of idolatry....i also get tired of people being led to think that America is the only nation that has
fought a war
started a war
killed people in a war
taken land by force
pursued its own interest
Had Slavery
Opressed other people
Opressed its own people
had evil leaders
has evil leaders
and the list goes on,only people ignorant of history and human nature believe such foolishness...every nation that has ever existed has commited some or all of these sins at one time or another.
And ALL are controlled by Satan to receive worship and blood sacrifice. Nationalism is a cult mentality.
 

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Israel is as unregenerate as all the rest of the nations and argueably worse than most.
There will be one world government per his word. What you refer to are tribes/ethnic groups which are quite different than the modern concept of the nation state.

Israel is NOT unregnerate, for that is a lie from the devil as that's exactly... what he wants with trying to destroy God's people. Just admit it, you prefer Communist-Socialist over God and His people.

And I'll tell you why specifically... that Israel is not unregenerate. It's because God's True Israel has ALWAYS been associated with The Gospel of Jesus Christ, even before the foundation of the world. What you're... trying to call 'Israel' is the "house of Judah" which as a majority have nothing to do with The Gospel of Jesus Christ. If you actually had read The Bible you would have known that difference. Israel is... the Salvation name of those in Christ Jesus. It means those who 'PREVAIL with God'. And THAT is the concept of the 'nation' of Israel per God's Word. Yet the blindfold you have chosen to wear will never allow you to grasp that.


A Christian is not antinationalist. However a disciple of Christ undersands what Kingdom he is a citizen of and lives for that Kinfdom. He does not fall prey to the cult mentality of nationalisn that Satan controls to receive worship and blood sacrifice.

A Christian IS... a nationalist, as it applies to the nation of Israel that will exist forever according to God's Word, not man's words. In the time being, He has setup a structure on earth today with the western Christian nations, and made His Church stewards over it. His elect will never stop being stewards over it either, all the way to Christ's second coming, just as Gen.49:10 does reveal.

So the real 'cult' is that of Communist-Socialist ideas, which are never going to be eternal. Even the OT prophets reveal the continued existence of Egypt, Assyria, and Israel, each as one third in God's future Kingdom.





And ALL are controlled by Satan to receive worship and blood sacrifice. Nationalism is a cult mentality.

Yours is the cult mentality of Communist-Socialism, because that's the default of one who refuses to have respect for their country and people.
 

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Israel is NOT unregnerate, for that is a lie from the devil as that's exactly... what he wants with trying to destroy God's people. Just admit it, you prefer Communist-Socialist over God and His people.

Do you watch "Burn Notice"? The commies have lost. The Bible is clear that at the end of the age a remmenant of Israel will be saved. Until then if indivdual Jews to not receive Christ they go to the pit.
Everyone who is not in Christ i.e. born again is unregenerate. You need to give me scripture that shows Israel is now saved. You also need to give me NT spiritual fruit as evidence that Israel is serving Jesus.
I prefer the principles of the Kingdom of God which are stated in Matthew 5, 6, and 7.

And I'll tell you why specifically... that Israel is not unregenerate. It's because God's True Israel has ALWAYS been associated with The Gospel of Jesus Christ, even before the foundation of the world. What you're... trying to call 'Israel' is the "house of Judah" which as a majority have nothing to do with The Gospel of Jesus Christ. If you actually had read The Bible you would have known that difference. Israel is... the Salvation name of those in Christ Jesus. It means those who 'PREVAIL with God'. And THAT is the concept of the 'nation' of Israel per God's Word. Yet the blindfold you have chosen to wear will never allow you to grasp that.

No, Romans is clear:


Romans 11:1-7

New King James Version (NKJV)
Israel’s Rejection Not Total

11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. [sup]2 [/sup]God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, [sup]3 [/sup]“Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?[sup][a][/sup] [sup]4 [/sup]But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[sup][b][/sup] [sup]5 [/sup]Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. [sup]6 [/sup]And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[sup][c][/sup] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
[sup]7 [/sup]What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.


Romans 11:13-36

New King James Version (NKJV)
[sup]13 [/sup]For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, [sup]14 [/sup]if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.

[sup]16 [/sup]For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. [sup]17 [/sup]And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, [sup]18 [/sup]do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
[sup]19 [/sup]You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” [sup]20 [/sup]Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. [sup]21 [/sup]For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. [sup]22 [/sup]Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[sup][a][/sup] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. [sup]23 [/sup]And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. [sup]24 [/sup]For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
[sup]25 [/sup]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [sup]26 [/sup]And so all Israel will be saved,[sup][b][/sup] as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[sup]27 [/sup]For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[sup][c][/sup]
[sup]28 [/sup]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [sup]29 [/sup]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. [sup]30 [/sup]For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, [sup]31 [/sup]even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. [sup]32 [/sup]For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
[sup]33 [/sup]Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

[sup]34 [/sup]“For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”[sup][d][/sup]
[sup]35 [/sup]“Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”[sup][e][/sup]
[sup]36 [/sup]For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.



A Christian IS... a nationalist, as it applies to the nation of Israel that will exist forever according to God's Word, not man's words. In the time being, He has setup a structure on earth today with the western Christian nations, and made His Church stewards over it. His elect will never stop being stewards over it either, all the way to Christ's second coming, just as Gen.49:10 does reveal.


The land of Israel has ALWAYS and ONLY belonged to God and He does not need any unregenarate nations to "watch over it". Christians are citizens of the Kingdom of God, not a carnal nation.



So the real 'cult' is that of Communist-Socialist ideas, which are never going to be eternal. Even the OT prophets reveal the continued existence of Egypt, Assyria, and Israel, each as one third in God's future Kingdom.










Yours is the cult mentality of Communist-Socialism, because that's the default of one who refuses to have respect for their country and people.

Believing the lies of nations is a cult mentality. Killing and dying for those lies is worshipping Satan.