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Miss Hepburn
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Welcome Templar - great name.
I have a ques for you.
Why is it that people follow creeds of churches? (As you say.)
I'm a rebel at heart - I'm not saying it is wrong - I just don't get it?
I'm on a Catholic forum and I don't say anything about it -I'm there to learn.
But, like this nice guy is all concerned about Oooo what if my sincerity when I go to confession isn't enough?What
are the indicators of sincere confession?
I told him - you were forgiven before you put your key in the car to drive there.
It seems the Church locks people into rituals and actually keeps people
from realizing God's unconditional personal and intimate love -because - your bad if you don't "do" something they say.
I was holding the Eucharist in my hand in a Cath Church to pray - and was CHASED with pounding feet and stopped
and ordered to "Eat, Jesus." Excuse me?
"Eat Jesus, now."
Rules, you know - can't be walking with Jesus to your seat, dontchaknow.
Just one nutty example.
I dont care for Church rules, personally, I think they are nutty - some of them.
Not picking a fight - I'm a lover not a fighter.
:) Miss Hepburn
I have a ques for you.
Why is it that people follow creeds of churches? (As you say.)
I'm a rebel at heart - I'm not saying it is wrong - I just don't get it?
I'm on a Catholic forum and I don't say anything about it -I'm there to learn.
But, like this nice guy is all concerned about Oooo what if my sincerity when I go to confession isn't enough?What
are the indicators of sincere confession?
I told him - you were forgiven before you put your key in the car to drive there.
It seems the Church locks people into rituals and actually keeps people
from realizing God's unconditional personal and intimate love -because - your bad if you don't "do" something they say.
I was holding the Eucharist in my hand in a Cath Church to pray - and was CHASED with pounding feet and stopped
and ordered to "Eat, Jesus." Excuse me?
"Eat Jesus, now."
Rules, you know - can't be walking with Jesus to your seat, dontchaknow.
Just one nutty example.
I dont care for Church rules, personally, I think they are nutty - some of them.
Not picking a fight - I'm a lover not a fighter.
:) Miss Hepburn
The thing about creeds is they can't really be interpretted one way or the other, they allow wone to have a simple faith. The Bible is so vast and is not easy to interpret. To people who claim to interpret scripture litterally can come to completely different conclusions from the same book, chapter, verse etc. That is why in the early days the church could not agree on many things and heresy was rife. The concils of Nicea ehlped to both dfine the Christian faith and to unite it. I don't mind people saying they don't like to be tied down to creeds, but this is an age when most peopel are litterate and can pick up a Bible, read it and decide for themselves. Also, for me the creeds remind me that as an Anglican and seperated from Rome by almost 500 years, I am still part of the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (Unum sanctum Catholicum et Apostolicum Ecclasiam) as the word Catholic means all encmpassing , not just Papist.
We must recognize the fact that for thousands of years a lot of people were uneducated and could not read.
For that reason the denominational institutional church leaders came up with creeds , rituals , beads , confessionals, golden candle sticks , and whatever props helped the believer "act out his faith".
We can poo-poo some of these things today but we should accept that at one time that was how it was done and the church has survived.
We are quick to point out doctrinal errors , or non scriptural teachings, but we do our own versions of them today.
Just try to disagree with someone's doctrine here today , and they will jump all over you faster than the pope and his Cardinals.
Some things never change , only the disguises and scenery change.
Today Christians still continue to jump all over one another and then mix in the word love to justify their actions.
In the old days there were a hundred large denominations with various doctrinal differences. Now there are millions of small ones .... US
For that reason the denominational institutional church leaders came up with creeds , rituals , beads , confessionals, golden candle sticks , and whatever props helped the believer "act out his faith".
We can poo-poo some of these things today but we should accept that at one time that was how it was done and the church has survived.
We are quick to point out doctrinal errors , or non scriptural teachings, but we do our own versions of them today.
Just try to disagree with someone's doctrine here today , and they will jump all over you faster than the pope and his Cardinals.
Some things never change , only the disguises and scenery change.
Today Christians still continue to jump all over one another and then mix in the word love to justify their actions.
In the old days there were a hundred large denominations with various doctrinal differences. Now there are millions of small ones .... US
Miss Hepburn
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Thanks all.
Btw, I don't have a "doctrine" myself- and if I ever express a view here and someone jumps all over me -I won't be jumping back.
I'm fine with whatever anyone believes.
I see why they felt they had to get all the scriptures compiled and interpreted for the illerate masses. I really do. It would be a natural step.
But, it's not for me.
Btw, I don't have a "doctrine" myself- and if I ever express a view here and someone jumps all over me -I won't be jumping back.
I'm fine with whatever anyone believes.
I see why they felt they had to get all the scriptures compiled and interpreted for the illerate masses. I really do. It would be a natural step.
But, it's not for me.
Not much into nuts as they seem to be a bit to salty sometimes. Besides that theres all sorts of nuts big nuts, small nuts, hard nuts name a nut and i can find it for you. Anywho enough wordplay welcome to the site 
There is a major error made in mainstream modern Christianity and most people do not stop to consider it. That error is the promotion of "the bible believing church" and the "bible believing Christian" as being something special or more correct that the "traditional church" or the "other church down the road"
With that ammunition as reinforcement , you now find "everyday Christians" forming doctrines and beliefs because "that is the way they read in the bible" . PERIOD !!!! End of discussion.(as far as they are concerned)
But because these "everyday Christians" are poor theologians and poor scholars they run rampant with all kinds of pet beliefs and pet theories and fight tooth and nail to defend them.
And because they have sometimes been lead to believe (brainwashed) that their pastor or leader only uses "the word of God" and can "prove it" by using selective quotes , they break off and form a new group convincing themselves they alone have the truth.
You cannot have 100,000 different groups all claiming to have the truth without also considering that by their own measurements 99,999 would then have to be wrong. So what is it? Are they all wrong or are they all correct?
Neither. The problem stems from christians being given the false impression that because they read and use their own bibles it somehow makes them scholars and theologians.
With that ammunition as reinforcement , you now find "everyday Christians" forming doctrines and beliefs because "that is the way they read in the bible" . PERIOD !!!! End of discussion.(as far as they are concerned)
But because these "everyday Christians" are poor theologians and poor scholars they run rampant with all kinds of pet beliefs and pet theories and fight tooth and nail to defend them.
And because they have sometimes been lead to believe (brainwashed) that their pastor or leader only uses "the word of God" and can "prove it" by using selective quotes , they break off and form a new group convincing themselves they alone have the truth.
You cannot have 100,000 different groups all claiming to have the truth without also considering that by their own measurements 99,999 would then have to be wrong. So what is it? Are they all wrong or are they all correct?
Neither. The problem stems from christians being given the false impression that because they read and use their own bibles it somehow makes them scholars and theologians.
I've always had a softspot for early and medieval Christianity. I wouldn't jump on other people's beliefs that would be abhorrant to me. In any case can there really be such things as heresy anymore. I'll admit rigid statements of faith like the Niceane, the Appostles and the Athenasian Creeds are not for everybody, nenither are the candles, the incense, the stations of the cross, confessions etc. They are great tools though that some all too quickly denounce. Many people will scoff at these things but they can just read a Bible when they wnt to , they don't appreciate that for centuries most people couldn't read and thigns like stained glass windows, rood screens and and other icons were there to ehlp people understand their faith. Perhaps there isn't as greater need to be so rigid with the creeds now but they are good guidelines or outlines of faith. The really funny thing is I was talking with a couple of strict and particular baptists who told me they didn't like creeds, so I showed them the Niceane Creed and they couldn't find anyting there that they dissagreed with and believe me the people at this church believe everyone but them will go to Hell.
Martin W. quoted.
I think the thing that concerns me is anyone that thinks they are 100% right. I also get concerned when someone thinks they know everything about everything. Are we told not to be many teachers? The Word Pride comes to mind.
If Paul said we see though a glass darkly, then where does that put me?
Jesus Is Lord
I think the thing that concerns me is anyone that thinks they are 100% right. I also get concerned when someone thinks they know everything about everything. Are we told not to be many teachers? The Word Pride comes to mind.
If Paul said we see though a glass darkly, then where does that put me?
Jesus Is Lord
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