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tzcho2

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Nothing causes personal attacks like when one says they believe in the Pretrib rapture- lol, so much hostile reaction against it, funny how it makes some people almost froth at the mouth. Wonder why that is? ;)
 
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Nothing causes personal attacks like when one says they believe in the Pretrib rapture- lol, so much hostile reaction against it, funny how it makes some people almost froth at the mouth. Wonder why that is? ;)
Why we post against the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, is because the Bible never says that God plans to do that.
Jesus directly refutes it in 5 scriptures. plus He and the Apostles all tell us we must stand firm during all that is to come.

We are your fellow Christians and we dislike seeing people gripping onto false hopes, onto fables that will never happen, that may possibly cause some to fall from their faith when God does not do what they expected.
As for 'frothing at the mouth', it is 'rapture' believers who accuse us, consign us to Tribulation and threaten nasty things for us. I have actually received a death threat from a rabid rapturist.
 

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Why we post against the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, is because the Bible never says that God plans to do that.
Jesus directly refutes it in 5 scriptures. plus He and the Apostles all tell us we must stand firm during all that is to come.

We are your fellow Christians and we dislike seeing people gripping onto false hopes, onto fables that will never happen, that may possibly cause some to fall from their faith when God does not do what they expected.
As for 'frothing at the mouth', it is 'rapture' believers who accuse us, consign us to Tribulation and threaten nasty things for us. I have actually received a death threat from a rabid rapturist.
Jesus doesn't refute it.
Yes keras it is a fact that the most hostile attacks are against those who believe in the pre trib rapture.
No one is "consigning you" anywhere. You are free to believe whatever you want concerning the rapture & the Tribulation, leave others to do the same, without the insults.
 
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... I have actually received a death threat from a rabid rapturist.

Yep, these "christians" certainly demonstrate the Love of Jesus in ALL that they profess. And if you challenge their false doctrines you'd better be prepared to be intimidated, threatened, assaulted, and battered. -- But it's in the name of Jesus.

One has to wonder if satan uses the alias "jesus"...
Bobby Jo
 
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Jesus doesn't refute it.
Typical of a 'rapture to heaven' believer. They can't see the truth and they think unsupported opinion proves their case.
There is no scripture that says there will be a ‘rapture’ and Jesus says such a thing is impossible:

John 3:13 No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there.

John 7:34 Where I go, you cannot come....

John 8:21-23 Your home is on earth......

John 17:15 I do not pray for You to take My followers out of the world, but keep them from the evil one.

Revelation 2:25-26 Hold fast to what you have until I Return. To those who are Victorious, to those who persevere in doing My will until the end, I will give them authority over the nations. Revelation 5:9-10


We will all be here to face the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath:

Luke 21:35....that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over.

Jeremiah 25:29...I am summoning a Sword against all the inhabitants of the earth.

1 Corinthians 1:7-8 There is no gift you lack, while you wait expectantly for Jesus to Return. He will keep you firm in your faith until the end.......
 
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I disagree. We see by Apostle Paul that the bible states the bride of Christ doesn't face God's wrath. Can't you discuss scripture minus personal insults? You are an example of the attacks upon pretrib believers themselves. I am aware the rapture is not the only error in beliefs you hold.

1Thess 5:9 " 9 For GOD has NOT appointed us to suffer wrath, but to Obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him.… "

1Thess 1:10 "And to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead--Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath."

1 Thess 1:13 " 13 Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15 By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

18 Therefore ENCOURAGE One another with THESE Words."
 
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Yep, these "christians" certainly demonstrate the Love of Jesus in ALL that they profess. And if you challenge their false doctrines you'd better be prepared to be intimidated, threatened, assaulted, and battered. -- But it's in the name of Jesus. One has to wonder if satan uses the alias "jesus"...Bobby Jo
Who are you making these false allegations against? or is it just a general ripping other Christians with whom you disagree, Sir? As I've read, you post snide comments rather then posting scripture and discussing.
 

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I disagree. We see by Apostle Paul that the bible states the bride of Christ doesn't face God's wrath. Can't you discuss scripture minus personal insults? You are an example of the attacks upon pretrib believers themselves. I am aware the rapture is not the only error in beliefs you hold.

1Thess 5:9 " 9 For GOD has NOT appointed us to suffer wrath, but to Obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him.… "

1Thess 1:10 "And to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead--Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath."

1 Thess 1:13 " 13 Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15 By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

18 Therefore ENCOURAGE One another with THESE Words."
Verse 18 is indeed important as a practical outworking of the preceding verses!
 

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The only facts you offer are opinions. And opinions are a dime a dozen.

There's Facts, Opinions, and Lies. And you're not in the first two groups. :)

And to be clear,-- it's as simple as counting to FIVE, which you apparently can't do, as given in Dan. 2:45 Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE. And where we know that FIVE ≠ FOUR, the FOUR must be the Fifth "Divided Kingdom", which both Scripture and History document.

But what do you know about Scripture and History ...
Bobby Jo
 
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There is no scripture that says there will be a ‘rapture’ and Jesus says such a thing is impossible:
Quite the opposite. There are many Scriptures that say that the Rapture will take place and that the Rapture is imminent. Of course, there would be no point presenting those to you since you have already made up your mind that the Rapture is impossible, and that no one goes to Heaven. In other words you have manufactured your own theology.
 

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Another worthless opinion from an opinionated and ill-informed person.

What's that old saying? -- Put up or .... , how does it go?

If you can't get the simple, please don't attempt the complex:

... it's as simple as counting to FIVE, which you apparently can't do, as given in Dan. 2:45 Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE. And where we know that FIVE ≠ FOUR, the FOUR must be the Fifth "Divided Kingdom", which both Scripture and History document.


Bobby Jo
 
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Quite the opposite. There are many Scriptures that say that the Rapture will take place and that the Rapture is imminent. Of course, there would be no point presenting those to you since you have already made up your mind that the Rapture is impossible, and that no one goes to Heaven. In other words you have manufactured your own theology.
Saying you won't present 'rapture to heaven' scriptural proofs because I would just refute them, is a cop out.
Jesus says anyone going to heaven is impossible, I need no further proof that the 'rapture' is a false doctrine.

Why DO people believe in a rapture to heaven?
It’s a great idea! Get away from this troubled world.
It is the only end times doctrine that many have ever been taught.

But the fact there is no actual supporting scripture for this idea, is no deterrent because some scriptures can be made to infer the idea of a rapture. There are prophesies telling about spiritual happenings, but none of them actually say that any living people will be taken to heaven.

As there are many prophesies telling about the future of Israel, some people make the error of thinking the Israel of God is the Jewish State of Israel and the Christian Church is therefore, separate from the Israel of prophecy. This is incorrect, many passages in the New Testament confirm that there is only one people of God, call them the Ekkelasia, spiritual Israel or simply God’s righteous Christian people and the rest of the world are the ungodly peoples, doomed for destruction.

But the false idea of Two People Two Promises has to be an immutable tenet of the rapture theory for them to go to heaven, while ethnic Israel faces tribulation, etc. That this idea is un-Christian: ‘let them burn, we will be safe’, as well as the shockingly bad notion of ‘escape from responsibilities’, seems to not be a concern for them.

With the belief of a rapture removal to heaven firmly fixed in their minds, people then fail to see the truth of what God has planned for the future. There will be testing times, to come upon everyone as Luke 21:35, 1 Peter 4:12, + make crystal clear. What we must pray for is not escape by removal, but for the Lord’s protection, promised to His people during all that is coming and for all the faithful Christians to stand, dressed in white linen, before Jesus when He Returns. Revelation 19:9-11
 

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Enoch111 said:

Saying you won't present 'rapture to heaven' scriptural proofs because I would just refute them, is a cop out. ...

When their doctrines fail the test of TRUTH, all that left is a COP OUT. The spirit of the Sadducees & Pharisees are still evident in our present "churches"/"denominations"/"fellowships"/"cults". But they will be "weeded out" in the end. :)



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I take it you will be left behind!!! Your choice!!
Peter says when the Lord comes as a thief, the entire planet and surrounding atmosphere will be burned up, so there's no way a seven years of anything can take place.

"But", you say, "the Lord is coming TWO TIMES as a thief, just before and just after the trib." Impossible.

When He comes as a thief, everybody's marking their calendars 7 years to the day when He will return so He won't be taking anyone by surprise.

"But", you say, "He's coming back as a thief after the thousand years". Impossible.

His "thief in the night" return is always given in the context of coming for watching saints...and since all the saints will be with Him during the thousand years, He won't be coming for those that are already with Him.
 

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Next Events Bible Prophecy says We will See very Soon!!

Last days prophecy= Psalm 83 War=Israel against Iran, Syria, backed by Turkey,Russia just before OR after the rapture. Psalm 83:1:5
O God, do not remain quiet;
Do not be silent and, O God, do not be still.
2 For behold, Your enemies make an uproar,
And those who hate You have exalted themselves.
3 They make shrewd plans against Your people,
And conspire together against Your treasured ones.
4 They have said, “Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation,
That the name of Israel be remembered no more.”
5 For they have conspired together with one mind; No worries!!! God will fight for tiny Israel and defeat all the enemies of Israel!!! PTL.

Against You they make a covenant:=======This is a prophecy for war anytime any day in the Mid-east Then comes a seven-year peace treaty that will be broken after 3 1/2 years, then antichrist rule and the great tribulation and WW111 when billions will die.
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President Trump's big mid-east peace treaty is ready to be presented to the world in the next few weeks.===Time is short!!

Nah, you're timing is all wrong. (Put down the Tim LaHaye books and study your Bible instead).

The northern armies that come upon Israel is what the Psalms 83 chapter is indeed about, but it's the event given in Ezekiel 38 & 39 for the very end of this world, on the LAST DAY when Jesus comes. This is a VERY, VERY important point to note.

Why?

Because there MUST come a pseudo-Messiah to Jerusalem first, and also God's two witnesses of Rev.11 MUST appear there for the 1260 day tribulation. Thing is, the world controllers, in order to prepare the whole world for their 'king', i.e., Lucifer, to come to Jerusalem and sit on a throne proclaiming himself as God, to fool the world, they MAY... create a fake Armageddon war to bring that false one into power over ALL nations!

When the true Armageddon event happens, which is what the Psalms 83 and Ezekiel 38 & 39 Scripture is about, that will only happen on the LAST DAY of this world when Jesus comes "as a thief" on the "day of the Lord"

This is why it is very important to get all the "times and the seasons" written in God's Word for the end into our minds and hearts, just so we cannot be deceived by men's doctrines that create their own times and seasons of the end. Our Lord Jesus gave us the Seals in Revelation 6 especially for this reason, as those Seals are the 7 signs of the end He gave in His discourse while upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples (Matthew 24 & Mark 13).



Now since you have been heeding men's doctrines of a PRE-TRIBULATIONAL RAPTURE, they have told you stuff like Jesus comes PRIOR to the tribulation to gather His Church, when that is NOT so. They also tell you that the "day of the Lord" begins PRIOR to the tribulation with Jesus gathering His Church, which also is another lie. The "day of the Lord" happens IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great tribulation, on the LAST DAY of this world, and that... is the day our Lord Jesus comes to gather His Church. That is what is actually written in God's Holy Writ.

1. begin of Daniel's symbolic "one week" - seven years
2. first 1260 days - Antichrist appears, new temple in Jerusalem, sacrifices again for the Jews
3. middle of the seven years - Antichrist ends sacrifices and sets up an idol abomination instead for all to worship.
4. latter 1260 days, image of the beast worship and the mark required in order to buy or sell.
5. God's two witnesses in Jerusalem prophesy against the beast for 1260 days.
6. two candlesticks (2 Churches) prophesy against the beast along with God's two witnesses.
7. on the 7th Trumpet Jesus comes, gathers His Church, and goes to Jerusalem to battle the wicked.
8. battle of Ps.83, Armageddon, battle of Ezekiel 38 & 39.
9. Christ's "thousand years" reign over all nations with His elect begins.