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Why we post against the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, is because the Bible never says that God plans to do that.Nothing causes personal attacks like when one says they believe in the Pretrib rapture- lol, so much hostile reaction against it, funny how it makes some people almost froth at the mouth. Wonder why that is?
Jesus doesn't refute it.Why we post against the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, is because the Bible never says that God plans to do that.
Jesus directly refutes it in 5 scriptures. plus He and the Apostles all tell us we must stand firm during all that is to come.
We are your fellow Christians and we dislike seeing people gripping onto false hopes, onto fables that will never happen, that may possibly cause some to fall from their faith when God does not do what they expected.
As for 'frothing at the mouth', it is 'rapture' believers who accuse us, consign us to Tribulation and threaten nasty things for us. I have actually received a death threat from a rabid rapturist.
... I have actually received a death threat from a rabid rapturist.
The only facts you offer are opinions. And opinions are a dime a dozen.As for me, I don't offer "opinions", I offer facts...
Typical of a 'rapture to heaven' believer. They can't see the truth and they think unsupported opinion proves their case.Jesus doesn't refute it.
Who are you making these false allegations against? or is it just a general ripping other Christians with whom you disagree, Sir? As I've read, you post snide comments rather then posting scripture and discussing.Yep, these "christians" certainly demonstrate the Love of Jesus in ALL that they profess. And if you challenge their false doctrines you'd better be prepared to be intimidated, threatened, assaulted, and battered. -- But it's in the name of Jesus. One has to wonder if satan uses the alias "jesus"...Bobby Jo
Verse 18 is indeed important as a practical outworking of the preceding verses!I disagree. We see by Apostle Paul that the bible states the bride of Christ doesn't face God's wrath. Can't you discuss scripture minus personal insults? You are an example of the attacks upon pretrib believers themselves. I am aware the rapture is not the only error in beliefs you hold.
1Thess 5:9 " 9 For GOD has NOT appointed us to suffer wrath, but to Obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him.… "
1Thess 1:10 "And to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead--Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath."
1 Thess 1:13 " 13 Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
15 By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore ENCOURAGE One another with THESE Words."
The only facts you offer are opinions. And opinions are a dime a dozen.
Yes I agree.Insults and facts are not compatible. Only the insult will be absorbed.
Quite the opposite. There are many Scriptures that say that the Rapture will take place and that the Rapture is imminent. Of course, there would be no point presenting those to you since you have already made up your mind that the Rapture is impossible, and that no one goes to Heaven. In other words you have manufactured your own theology.There is no scripture that says there will be a ‘rapture’ and Jesus says such a thing is impossible:
Another worthless opinion from an opinionated and ill-informed person.There's Facts, Opinions, and Lies. And you're not in the first two groups.
Another worthless opinion from an opinionated and ill-informed person.
Saying you won't present 'rapture to heaven' scriptural proofs because I would just refute them, is a cop out.Quite the opposite. There are many Scriptures that say that the Rapture will take place and that the Rapture is imminent. Of course, there would be no point presenting those to you since you have already made up your mind that the Rapture is impossible, and that no one goes to Heaven. In other words you have manufactured your own theology.
Enoch111 said:
Saying you won't present 'rapture to heaven' scriptural proofs because I would just refute them, is a cop out. ...
Peter says when the Lord comes as a thief, the entire planet and surrounding atmosphere will be burned up, so there's no way a seven years of anything can take place.I take it you will be left behind!!! Your choice!!
Next Events Bible Prophecy says We will See very Soon!!
Last days prophecy= Psalm 83 War=Israel against Iran, Syria, backed by Turkey,Russia just before OR after the rapture. Psalm 83:1:5
O God, do not remain quiet;
Do not be silent and, O God, do not be still.
2 For behold, Your enemies make an uproar,
And those who hate You have exalted themselves.
3 They make shrewd plans against Your people,
And conspire together against Your treasured ones.
4 They have said, “Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation,
That the name of Israel be remembered no more.”
5 For they have conspired together with one mind; No worries!!! God will fight for tiny Israel and defeat all the enemies of Israel!!! PTL.
Against You they make a covenant:=======This is a prophecy for war anytime any day in the Mid-east Then comes a seven-year peace treaty that will be broken after 3 1/2 years, then antichrist rule and the great tribulation and WW111 when billions will die.
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President Trump's big mid-east peace treaty is ready to be presented to the world in the next few weeks.===Time is short!!