No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

[GracePeace]

I have posted scripture...Gods word...it can’t be denied as it’s His truth..

We make sense of scripture in the spirit not in our own human understanding..as the Bible is a spiritual Book and needs to be understood in our spirit...

1. When you contradict Scripture using Scripture, that is proof you're misunderstanding Scripture.

The reason I didn't pursue it is because now you're going to have to go back and prove, from the context of Romans 14:23, that the person spoken of as having sinned is not a believer--ie, the same thing CadyandZoe has been failing to do for dozens and dozens of responses (and you're not as skilled as CadyandZoe, so I didn't want to see you floudering around even worse than CadyandZoe).

2. Also, we know, from your own context, that you're misreading:

1 John 2
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrificea for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Why do "we have an advocate with the Father"?
Because "we never sin"?
No, because "if anyone does sin".
Now, you say "no we never sin", so you're contradicting John, and saying either "we do not have an Advocate with a Father" (since we don't need one), or, maybe, "we have an Advocate with the Father, but we don't really need Him, because we never sin". Either way, it's obvious you are clueless.

3. John was militating against Gnosticism, which taught that all matter was sinful, therefore:
a) Jesus didn't incarnate, and
b) We will go on sinning gross sins as long as we are alive

So, John says "any spirit that confesses Christ has come in the flesh is of God", but we have a problem with interpreting that in an "across the board" fashion, like you're trying to do with his other anti-Gnosticism teaching: the Galatians were led away from God by a false Gospel, a "doctrine of demons" (1 Ti 4:1), that did not come from God (Gal 5:8), yet, in that "doctrine of demons", there is never any denial of Christ having incarnated.
Options:
1. John is wrong to say "every spirit that confesses Christ came in the flesh is of God".
2. John intended that statement "every spirit that confesses Christ came in the flesh is of God" specifically with regard to repudiating Gnosticism--not to be taken and applied across the board.

Since it is obvious John didn't make a mistake, and John only intended to denounce Gnosticism, AND He says we have an Advocate with the Father IF WE SIN, AND Romans 14:23 says believers sin, AND Revelation 2 and 3 records Jesus calling the Churches the repentance, AND 1 Corinthians has Paul calling the Church to repentance, your abuse of John's teaching, "anyone who is born of God doesn't sin" is repudiated--beside the fact that it doesn't say "doesn't sin", but "doesn't go on sinning", we can know that it wasn't intended to be taken and applied across the board (any more than "every spirit that confesses Christ came in the flesh is of God" can be), but that, even if it did say what you claim, it was specifically meant as a repudiation of Gnosticism.

 

[Ritajanice]

1. When you contradict Scripture using Scripture, that is proof you're misunderstanding Scripture.

I haven’t contradicted scripture.

The reason I didn't pursue it is because now you're going to have to go back and prove, from the context of Romans 14:23, that the person spoken of as having sinned is not a believer--ie, the same thing CadyandZoe has been failing to do for dozens and dozens of responses.

Gods word says a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s Seed.

This isn’t a competition..on who is right and who is wrong..it’s understanding Gods word via His Spirit.

2. Also, we know from your own context that you're misreading:

Misreading what?..instead of posting your opinion post where I’m misreading please.

1 John 2
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrificea for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

A Born Again doesn’t sin.?

Why do we have an advocate with the Father? John says "if anyone does sin". You say "no we never sin", so you're contradicting John.

John isn’t God/ Jesus...Gods word says a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed?

Which means what?

3. John was militating against Gnosticism, which taught that all matter was sinful, therefore:
a) Jesus didn't incarnate, and
b) We will go on sinning gross sins as long as we are alive

So, John says "any spirit that confesses Christ has come in the flesh is of God", but we have a problem with interpreting that in an "across the board" fashion, like you're trying to do with his other anti-Gnosticism teaching: the Galatians were led away from God by a false Gospel, a "doctrine of demons" (1 Ti 4:1), that did not come from God (Gal 5:8), yet, in that "doctrine of demons", there is never any denial of Christ having incarnated.
Options:
1. John is wrong to say "every spirit that confesses Christ came in the flesh is of God".
2. John intended that statement "every spirit that confesses Christ came in the flesh is of God" specifically with regard to repudiating Gnosticism--not to be taken and applied across the board.

Since it is obvious John didn't make a mistake, and John only intended to denounce Gnosticism, AND He says we have an Advocate with the Father IF WE SIN, AND Romans 14:23 says believers sin, AND Revelation 2 and 3 records Jesus calling the Churches the repentance, AND 1 Corinthians has Paul calling the Church to repentance, your abuse of John's teaching is repudiated.

Again why make it so complicated...when we are Born Of The Spirit.

What has that got to do with Gnosticism?

A Born Again doesn’t sin....show me scripture where it say a Born Again I repeat a Born Again sins?

They have been Born Again of incorruptible/ imperishable seed...that seed that we have been Born Again of is Gods seed, His Living Holy Spirit.

Not Gnosticism......The word of God....we need to be Born Again to understand the written word.

 

[Ritajanice]

So, John says "any spirit that confesses Christ has come in the flesh is of God", but we have a problem with interpreting that in an "across the board" fashion, like you're trying to do with his other anti-Gnosticism teaching: the Galatians were led away from God by a false Gospel, a "doctrine of demons" (1 Ti 4:1), that did not come from God (Gal 5:8), yet, in that "doctrine of demons", there is never any denial of Christ having incarnated.

1 Corinthians 12:3New King James Version (NKJV) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

You couldn’t possibly know that God/ Jesus existed..without God’s witness His Holy Spirit,witnessing that truth to one’s heart/ spirit..when he makes our spirit Born Again....Spirit gives birth to spirit?
That is the Living spiritual birth.

 

[GracePeace]

I haven’t contradicted scripture.

Yeah, you have: when you say those born of God don't sin, you're contradicting Romans 14:23, 1 Corinthians, where he is continuously rebuking the Church for sinning, Revelation 2 and 3, where Christ rebukes sin in the Church.

Gods word says a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s Seed.

No, it says because the Seed remains in him--to abide in Christ is by keeping His Word (faith) and Works (love) (1 John 3:23,24), but not all "remain" (1 Jn 2:28), but commit idolatry (1 Jn 5:21). The Word is the Seed. Not all keep the Seed. Ultimately, if someone does not keep the Seed, they are "blotted out" (Revelation 3), so that it may be said, "They went out so that it might be seen that they were never of us"--God says He will "forget" the righteousness of the person who departs from his righteousness (Ezekiel 3), so the dynamic is that those counted born of God do not include those who ultimately fall away and whose names are blotted out and whose righteousness is forgotten, so, even if you wanted to say "they went from among us to prove they were never of us", if you didn't take into account the dynamic that people can be blotted out, their righteousness forgotten, you would be abusing Scripture and making incoherent claims.

This isn’t a competition..on who is right and who is wrong..it’s understanding Gods word via His Spirit.

Irrelevant.

Misreading what?..instead of posting your opinion post where I’m misreading please.

I have.

A Born Again doesn’t sin.?

Your misunderstanding of John clashes against basically everything in Scripture.
Just off the top of my head, aside from everything else I've posted, Jesus, in Mt 18,

15“Now if your brother sins[k], go and [l]show him his fault [m]in private; if he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that ON THE [n]TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY [o]MATTER MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as [p]a Gentile and [q]a tax collector.

So, if the brother sins... but you say we don't sin, so howcome Jesus doesn't know that those born of God don't sin?
Again, in Matthew 18, there is a servant who is forgiven tons of debt he owed, but, then, he goes and strangles his fellow servant for not paying his debt, and the forgiveness which had been extended to him is rescinded. Being "forgiven" obviously refers to believing in Christ, so, according to you, he's "born again", so how is it that he sins in such a way as to have the forgiveness rescinded?

John isn’t God/ Jesus...Gods word says a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed?

John speaks from God. Whoever receives him receives the One Who sent him--ie, Jesus.

Which means what?

Again why make it so complicated...when we are Born Of The Spirit.

Thanks for proving that you aren't interested in details, just superficiality.
It's not my fault the Bible is difficult to understand.

What has that got to do with Gnosticism?

I explained. You may go back and read.

A Born Again doesn’t sin....show me scripture where it say a Born Again I repeat a Born Again sins?

I have. Mt 18 for example.
Romans 14:23 for example. LOL

They have been Born Again of incorruptible/ imperishable seed...that seed that we have been Born Again of is Gods seed, His Living Holy Spirit.

The seed is incorruptible, that does not speak to the conditions of the ground it is sown in to.

Not Gnosticism......The word of God....we need to be Born Again to understand the written word.

What it boils down to is "You only disagree because you are not born of God."
I can make the same argument: "You are not born of God, that's why you disagree."

 

[Ritajanice]

Yeah, you have: when you say those born of God don't sin, you're contradicting Romans 14:23, 1 Corinthians, where he is continuously rebuking the Church for sinning, Revelation 2 and 3, where Christ rebukes sin in the Church.

I am Born Again, therefore will speak in the spirit...I’m not saying I’m without error at times.

How many times have I said a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed...if you don’t understand what that means how on earth can you rebuke the written word of God?

No, it says because the Seed remains in him--to abide in Christ is by keeping His Word (faith) and Works (love) (1 John 3:23,24), but not all "remain" (1 Jn 2:28), but commit idolatry (1 Jn 5:21). The Word is the Seed. Not all keep the Seed. Ultimately, if someone does not keep the Seed, they are "blotted out" (Revelation 3), so that it may be said, "They went out so that it might be seen that they were never of us"--God says He will "forget" the righteousness of the person who departs from his righteousness, so the dynamic is that those counted born of God do not include those who ultimately fall away and whose names are blotted out and whose righteousness is forgotten, so, even if you wanted to say "they went from among us to prove they were never of us", if you didn't take into account the dynamic that people can be blotted out, their righteousness forgotten, you would be abusing Scripture and making incoherent claims.

It says that we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth band abideth forever....liveth and abideth forever where in us?

Irrelevant.

I have.

Your misunderstanding of John clashes against basically everything in Scripture.
Just off the top of my head, aside from everything else I've posted, Jesus, in Mt 18,

15“Now if your brother sins[k], go and [l]show him his fault [m]in private; if he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that ON THE [n]TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY [o]MATTER MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as [p]a Gentile and [q]a tax collector.

So, if the brother sins... but you say we don't sin, so howcome Jesus doesn't know that those born of God don't sin?
Again, in Matthew 18, there is a servant who is forgiven tons of debt he owed, but, then, he goes and strangles his fellow servant for not paying his debt, and the forgiveness which had been extended to him is rescinded. Being "forgiven" obviously refers to believing in Christ, so, according to you, he's "born again", so how is it that he sins in such a way as to have the forgiveness rescinded?

John speaks from God. Whoever receives him receives the One Who sent him--ie, Jesus.

Thanks for proving that you aren't interested in details, just superficiality.
It's not my fault the Bible is difficult to understand.

The Bible is very easy to understand if one is Born Of The Spirit..which you still haven’t explained...

There is NO details my friend in being Born Of The Spirit...that is the Living supernatural/ spiritual birth, which you seem to have no understanding of.

I explained. You may go back and read.

I have. Mt 18 for example.
Romand 14:23 for example. LOL

The seed is incorruptible, that does not speak to the conditions of the ground it is sown in to.

Where do you think we are Born Again of imperishable/incorruptible seed?

What in us is Born Again...and by whom?

What it boils down to is "You only disagree because you are not born of God."
I can make the same argument: "You are not born of God, that's why you disagree."

Ok, I’m not Born Of God....what does Born Of Gods seed mean then as you say I’m not Born Again?

What in you has been Born Again?

Yeah, you have: when you say those born of God don't sin, you're contradicting Romans 14:23, 1 Corinthians, where he is continuously rebuking the Church for sinning, Revelation 2 and 3, where Christ rebukes sin in the Church.

You are rebuking and denying Gods word that a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed?

Where do you think God plants his seed in us?

No, it says because the Seed remains in him--to abide in Christ is by keeping His Word (faith) and Works (love) (1 John 3:23,24), but not all "remain" (1 Jn 2:28), but commit idolatry (1 Jn 5:21). The Word is the Seed. Not all keep the Seed. Ultimately, if someone does not keep the Seed, they are "blotted out" (Revelation 3), so that it may be said, "They went out so that it might be seen that they were never of us"--God says He will "forget" the righteousness of the person who departs from his righteousness, so the dynamic is that those counted born of God do not include those who ultimately fall away and whose names are blotted out and whose righteousness is forgotten, so, even if you wanted to say "they went from among us to prove they were never of us", if you didn't take into account the dynamic that people can be blotted out, their righteousness forgotten, you would be abusing Scripture and making incoherent claims.

It says we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever....liveth and abideth forever where in us?

Irrelevant.

I have.

Your misunderstanding of John clashes against basically everything in Scripture.
Just off the top of my head, aside from everything else I've posted, Jesus, in Mt 18,

15“Now if your brother sins[k], go and [l]show him his fault [m]in private; if he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that ON THE [n]TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY [o]MATTER MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as [p]a Gentile and [q]a tax collector.

So, if the brother sins... but you say we don't sin, so howcome Jesus doesn't know that those born of God don't sin?
Again, in Matthew 18, there is a servant who is forgiven tons of debt he owed, but, then, he goes and strangles his fellow servant for not paying his debt, and the forgiveness which had been extended to him is rescinded. Being "forgiven" obviously refers to believing in Christ, so, according to you, he's "born again", so how is it that he sins in such a way as to have the forgiveness rescinded?

Your words are so confusing my friend...a Born Again doesn’t sin...there is nowhere in scripture that says a Born Again sins, Gods Spirit can’t indwell a sinner..impossible.

John speaks from God. Whoever receives him receives the One Who sent him--ie, Jesus.

How do you receive Jesus?..just by reading the written word?

Jesus died and was resurrected...because of that we can become Born Of The Spirit..if it’s Gods will that we become Born Again.

Thanks for proving that you aren't interested in details, just superficiality.
It's not my fault the Bible is difficult to understand.

I understand in the Spirit...there are no details in becoming Born Again..it’s a Living supernatural act of God via His Spirit?

I explained. You may go back and read.

I have. Mt 18 for example.
Romand 14:23 for example. LOL

The seed is incorruptible, that does not speak to the conditions of the ground it is sown in to.

What it boils down to is "You only disagree because you are not born of God."
I can make the same argument: "You are not born of God, that's why you disagree."

So, why not explain what it means to be Born Of The Spirit?

I have no problem whatsoever that you say I’m not Born Again...explain it then...what’s your Living testimony on how you became Born Again?

Who brought your spirit Alive in Christ....was it the written word?

Or was it by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit?....

Did the Spirit give birth to your spirit?

Spirit gives birth to spirit...Flesh gives birth to flesh?

Human birth....then the Living Spiritual birth?

 

[GracePeace]

I am Born Again, therefore will speak in the spirit...I’m not saying I’m without error at times.

How many times have I said a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed...if you don’t understand what that means how on earth can you rebuke the written word of God?

It says that we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth band abideth forever....liveth and abideth forever where in us?

The Bible is very easy to understand if one is Born Of The Spirit..which you still haven’t explained...

There is NO details my friend in being Born Of The Spirit...that is the Living supernatural/ spiritual birth, which you seem to have no understanding of.

Where do you think we are Born Again of imperishable/incorruptible seed?

What in us is Born Again...and by whom?

Ok, I’m not Born Of God....what does Born Of Gods seed mean then as you say I’m not Born Again?

What in you has been Born Again?

You are rebuking and denying Gods word that a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed?

Where do you think God plants his seed in us?

It says we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever....liveth and abideth forever where in us?

Your words are so confusing my friend...a Born Again doesn’t sin...there is nowhere in scripture that says a Born Again sins, Gods Spirit can’t indwell a sinner..impossible.

How do you receive Jesus?..just by reading the written word?

Jesus died and was resurrected...because of that we can become Born Of The Spirit..if it’s Gods will that we become Born Again.

I understand in the Spirit...there are no details in becoming Born Again..it’s a Living supernatural act of God via His Spirit?

So, why not explain what it means to be Born Of The Spirit?

I have no problem whatsoever that you say I’m not Born Again...explain it then...what’s your Living testimony on how you became Born Again?

Who brought your spirit Alive in Christ....was it the written word?

Or was it by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit?....

Your entire argument relies on the invalid assumption that 'if you're born of God you can never be unborn of God"--the assumption has been debunked both in the theoretical realm, and in the practical (eg, Jesus "doesn't know" Christians can't sin (Mt 18), nor that they can sin and be "unborn of God" evinced by their having the forgiveness rescinded (ie, they're no longer in Christ--the redemption is "in Christ')).

Moreover, Deuteronomy 14:1 says "you are children of the LORD", but Deuteronomy 32:5 says "they are no longer His children", and Hosea 1 says "You are not My people and I am not your god", yet, it states, "Where it was said 'Not My People', it shall be said 'children of the living God'", thus we see the precedent that being a child of God is not a static reality.

 

[GracePeace]

I am Born Again, therefore will speak in the spirit...I’m not saying I’m without error at times.

How many times have I said a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed...if you don’t understand what that means how on earth can you rebuke the written word of God?

It says that we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth band abideth forever....liveth and abideth forever where in us?

The Bible is very easy to understand if one is Born Of The Spirit..which you still haven’t explained...

There is NO details my friend in being Born Of The Spirit...that is the Living supernatural/ spiritual birth, which you seem to have no understanding of.

Where do you think we are Born Again of imperishable/incorruptible seed?

What in us is Born Again...and by whom?

Ok, I’m not Born Of God....what does Born Of Gods seed mean then as you say I’m not Born Again?

What in you has been Born Again?

You are rebuking and denying Gods word that a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed?

Where do you think God plants his seed in us?

It says we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever....liveth and abideth forever where in us?

Your words are so confusing my friend...a Born Again doesn’t sin...there is nowhere in scripture that says a Born Again sins, Gods Spirit can’t indwell a sinner..impossible.

How do you receive Jesus?..just by reading the written word?

Jesus died and was resurrected...because of that we can become Born Of The Spirit..if it’s Gods will that we become Born Again.

I understand in the Spirit...there are no details in becoming Born Again..it’s a Living supernatural act of God via His Spirit?

So, why not explain what it means to be Born Of The Spirit?

I have no problem whatsoever that you say I’m not Born Again...explain it then...what’s your Living testimony on how you became Born Again?

Who brought your spirit Alive in Christ....was it the written word?

Or was it by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit?....

Did the Spirit give birth to your spirit?

Spirit gives birth to spirit...Flesh gives birth to flesh?

Human birth....then the Living Spiritual birth?

You have succeeded at making the thread about what it was not meant to be about.

You did not decide to argue that Romans 14:23 didn't refer to a believer, you went another route--the long route to being debunked instead of the short route.

 

[Ritajanice]

You have succeeded at making the thread about what it was not meant to be about.

You did not decide to argue that Romans 14:23 didn't refer to a believer, you went another route--the long route to being debunked instead of the short route.

There you go..I knew you would cop out....you have no spiritual understanding of spiritual matters...the Bible must be understood in the spirit.

 

[GracePeace]

There you go..I knew you would cop out....you have no spiritual understanding of spiritual matters...the Bible must be understood in the spirit.

Your argument is "the one who is a child of God can never not be a child of God"--I've debunked that as a service to you and the readers.

 

[GracePeace]

There you go..I knew you would cop out....you have no spiritual understanding of spiritual matters...the Bible must be understood in the spirit.

"Cop out"? No, actually, it is yourself who has copped out from the get-go, raising irrelevant ignorance, and not addressing the passages cited.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your entire argument relies on the invalid assumption that 'if you're born of God you can never be unborn of God"--the assumption has been debunked both in the theoretical realm, and in the practical (eg, Jesus "doesn't know" Christians can't sin (Mt 18)).

It’s not an idea..it’s Gods truth in his written word backed up,by His Living witness His Holy Spirit..when you understand what that means in “ your spirit “ then get back to me, as I say you have no understanding of spiritual matters which can only come from the Spirit of God, when he makes our spirit Born Again.

Moreover, Deuteronomy 14:1 says "you are children of the LORD", but Deuteronomy 32:5 says "they are no longer His children", and Hosea 1 says "You are not My people and I am not your god", yet, it states, "Where it was said 'Not My People', it shall be said 'children of the living God'", thus we see the precedent that being a child of God is not a static reality.

Once again no scripture to back up that a Born Again sins...a Born Again can’t go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed...when you understand this spiritual matter and understand in your spirit then get back to me.

 

[GracePeace]

It’s not an idea..it’s Gods truth in his written word backed up,by His Living witness His Holy Spirit..when you understand what that means in “ your spirit “ then get back to me, as I say you have no understanding of spiritual matters which can only come from the Spirit of God, when he makes our spirit Born Again.

Once again no scripture to back up that a Born Again sins...a Born Again can’t go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed...when you understand this spiritual matter and understand in your spirit then get back to me.

Again, you're assuming someone "born again" cannot become "unborn again", but I've debunked that, and you're welcome to address my proofs when you please.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your argument is "the one who is a child of God can never not be a child of God"--I've debunked that as a service to you and the readers.

Absolutely they can NEVER be un- birthed from the Spirit of God, because they have been Born of The Spirit.Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever....I will tell you where the seed liveth and abideth forever...the seed is Gods Living witness, he lives and abideth forever in our hearts/ spirit my friend...I pray that you come to that spiritual knowledge and understanding one day...in Jesus Name...Amen?

You can’t debunk any of that as you haven’t a clue in the nicest possible way ,what it means to be Born Of God’s seed....therein lyes the problem....God Bless....I will leave you to argue your case with others.

 

[GracePeace]

Once again no scripture to back up that a Born Again sins...

Matthew 18 was cited.
The one who is forgiven his debt is a believer, born again, but he sins by not forgiving his fellow servant, and the King "unforgives" him, and sends him to hell. He's no longer forgiven because he's not in Christ and only those in Christ are children of God (Galatians 3 "you are all children of God IN CHRIST"). He SINNED as a "born again", so, ultimately, he becomes "unborn again", thus your interpretations of John's teachings are nonsense.

 

[Ritajanice]

Again, you're assuming someone "born again" cannot become "unborn again", but I've debunked that, and you're welcome to address my proofs when you please.

You have debunked nothing....you can’t debunk the word of God...neither can you debunk God Living Witness His Holy Spirit.

 

[GracePeace]

Absolutely they can NEVER be un- birthed from the Spirit of God, because they have been Born of The Spirit.Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever....I will tell you where the seed liveth and abideth forever...the seed is Gods Living witness, he lives and abideth forever in our hearts/ spirit my friend...I pray that you come to that spiritual knowledge and understanding one day...in Jesus Name...Amen?

You can’t debunk any of that as you haven’t a clue in the nicest possible way ,what it means to be Born Of God’s seed....therein lyes the problem....God Bless....I will leave you to argue your case with others.

I've already provided the reasons why I believe that people CAN be "unborn again"--you are free to answer when you please, not just give empty hysterical incoherent ravings.

 

[GracePeace]

You have debunked nothing....you can’t debunk the word of God...neither can you debunk God Living Witness His Holy Spirit.

Irrelevant hysteria. Go to the proofs I shared and address them.

 

[Ritajanice]

"Cop out"? No, actually, it is yourself who has copped out from the get-go, raising irrelevant ignorance, and not addressing the passages cited.

◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God. King James Bible Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. New King James Version Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. New American Standard Bible No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Irrelevant hysteria. Go to the proofs I shared and address them.

◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God. King James Bible Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. New King James Version Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. New American Standard Bible No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

I've already provided the reasons why I believe that people CAN be "unborn again"--you are free to answer when you please, not just give empty hysterical incoherent ravings.

◄ 1 Peter 1:23 ►

Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. New King James Version having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, American Standard Version having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth. Berean Study Bible For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. Douay-Rheims Bible Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever. English Revised Version having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth. World English Bible having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever. Young's Literal Translation being begotten again, not out of seed corruptible, but incorruptible, through a word of God -- living and remaining -- to the age;