No More Death

[ewq1938]

I didn't say that the many saints, at the time of Jesus resurrection, were resurrected into heaven. We know that Jesus didn't ascend right away. He did not ascend into heaven until after 40 days had past. Acts 1:3.
I speculate that all who were bodily resurrected after His resurrection did also ascend with Him.

It's not wise to speculate like that. That's how you got o thinking the two prophets in Rev 11 are Jesus and John, when they cannot be them.

According to your understanding, are you thinking that the two witnesses are the OT and NT scriptures?

No...we are told in Rev 11 they are two olives trees and two candlesticks, which are two anointed prophets and two churches.

 

[Truth7t7]

n that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them.


When you have guest over for dinner = you cook

There are no more blood sacrifices for sin being instituted here.

The pots in the Lord's house were used for corn, wine, oil, a sacrificial tithe to the Lord's house for food

The word "Sacrifice" isnt killing animals on a altar, and my Holy Bible doesn't state anybody is cooking in pots, let alone meat from animals as you suggest, animals were offered on the flame of the altar, not in pots

Nehemiah 10:39KJV
39 For the children of Israel and the children of Levi shall bring the offering of the corn, of the new wine, and the oil, unto the chambers, where are the vessels of the sanctuary, and the priests that minister, and the porters, and the singers: and we will not forsake the house of our God.

Corn, Wine, Oil, Not Animal Meat In Pots As you Falsely Suggest

Zechariah 14:20-21KJV
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

 

[Earburner]

It's not wise to speculate like that. That's how you got o thinking the two prophets in Rev 11 are Jesus and John, when they cannot be them.
No...we are told in Rev 11 they are two olives trees and two candlesticks, which are two anointed prophets and two churches.

I suppose the word "speculate" is a misconstrued word by one's own understanding. I view it as one having an "open mind", especially when it comes to the prophetic words of God, which is often coded and symbolic in meaning.

So therefore, to sum it all up, it's one's own opinion, weighed in with the opinion of others.
Even your conclusion is a speculation, an opinion from exercising an "open mind" to "the mind of Christ".

However, that being said:
"There can always be more than one lie,
but there can never be more than one truth, on any topic."- Earburner

The difference will be: who is it that is using their own mind, as opposed to using the mind of Christ. And for that, not many seek access.
I shall continue in that manner, of seeking His mind, and not "the wisdom of men".
1 Cor. 2:5.

I am understanding that your "opinion" is Rev. 1:20, being the entirety of the two churches during the OT and NT covenants.
I think that the SDA's believe according to that view.

 

[David in NJ]

It's not wise to speculate like that. That's how you got o thinking the two prophets in Rev 11 are Jesus and John, when they cannot be them.





No...we are told in Rev 11 they are two olives trees and two candlesticks, which are two anointed prophets and two churches.

@Earburner really thinks the Two Witnesses are Jesus & John ???

 

[David in NJ]

The pots in the Lord's house were used for corn, wine, oil, a sacrificial tithe to the Lord's house for food

The word "Sacrifice" isnt killing animals on a altar, and my Holy Bible doesn't state anybody is cooking in pots, let alone meat from animals as you suggest, animals were offered on the flame of the altar, not in pots

Nehemiah 10:39KJV
39 For the children of Israel and the children of Levi shall bring the offering of the corn, of the new wine, and the oil, unto the chambers, where are the vessels of the sanctuary, and the priests that minister, and the porters, and the singers: and we will not forsake the house of our God.

Corn, Wine, Oil, Not Animal Meat In Pots As you Falsely Suggest

Zechariah 14:20-21KJV
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

i did not say they were for meat

 

[Earburner]

@Earburner really thinks the Two Witnesses are Jesus & John ???

I am open minded to the Lord's mind about it. To try the spirits is good counsel. For a second opinion, I am more inclined to believe that the churches of the OC and the NC may be the correct answer, but I am not totally convinced of it.

 

[David in NJ]

I am open minded to the Lord's mind about it. To try the spirits is good counsel. For a second opinion, I am more inclined to believe that the churches of the OC and the NC may be the correct answer, but I am not totally convinced of it.

Awesome!

For everyone's confidence in the Scripture of Truth we can REST assured that JESUS is BOTH.......

a.) HE is in the Two Witnesses by the Power of the Holy Spirit

***** All 'jehovah witnesses' PAY ATTENTION - Acts chapter 1 *****

And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

AND

b.) HE is NOT any of the Two Witnesses - Hebrews 9:24-28

For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Now that we know this we can allow God to reveal to us who these Two men are.

Peace

 

[ewq1938]

I suppose the word "speculate" is a misconstrued word by one's own understanding. I view it as one having an "open mind", especially when it comes to the prophetic words of God, which is often coded and symbolic in meaning.

So therefore, to sum it all up, it's one's own opinion, weighed in with the opinion of others.
Even your conclusion is a speculation, an opinion from exercising an "open mind" to "the mind of Christ".

However, that being said:
"There can always be more than one lie. But their can never be more than one truth, on any topic."- Earburner

The difference will be: who is it that is using their own mind, as opposed to using the mind of Christ. And for that, not many seek access.
I shall continue in that manner, of seeking His mind, and not "the wisdom of men".
1 Cor. 2:5.

I am understanding that your "opinion" is Rev. 1:20, being the entirety of the two churches during the OT and NT covenants.
I think that the SDA's believe according to that view.

So you avoided dealing with the fact that Jesus and John cannot be the two "witnesses", avoided the actual scriptural definition of the two witnesses provided, quoted yourself like it was a well known saying and ended with an argumentative fallacy of "guilt by accused association"? Well done, and great speculation! lol

 

[Earburner]

So you avoided dealing with the fact that Jesus and John cannot be the two "witnesses", avoided the actual scriptural definition of the two witnesses provided, quoted yourself like it was a well known saying and ended with an argumentative fallacy of "guilt by accused association"? Well done, and great speculation! lol

Of all generations of people, ONLY Jesus and John the baptist HAD the Holy Spirit at birth.
To me, they are the most likely candidates.

Enoch, Elijah and even Moses ARE NOT candidates at all!
My focus is the word "anointed" in Zech. 4
[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

 

[David in NJ]

Of all generations of people, ONLY Jesus and John the baptist HAD the Holy Spirit at birth.
To me, they are the most likely candidates.

Enoch, Elijah and even Moses ARE NOT candidates at all!
My focus is the word "anointed" in Zech. 4
[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

It is impossible for JESUS to be one of the Two.

 

[Earburner]

It is impossible for JESUS to be one of the Two.

No it's not! He is THE ONLY WITNESS to who God the Father is!!!

 

[David in NJ]

No it's not! He is THE ONLY WITNESS to who God the Father is!!!

What is it that you do not understand here?

"Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

"They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony. (Faithful Witness)
And they did not love their lives
so as to shy away from death."

"Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." (Faithful Witness)

"And I/JESUS will empower My two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

 

[ewq1938]

Of all generations of people, ONLY Jesus and John the baptist HAD the Holy Spirit at birth.
To me, they are the most likely candidates.

That is not a qualification nor is it true of Christ and Christ is immortal so he cannot be killed. John cannot be killed because he has no body until the resurrection, and it will be immortal. You prefer your own personal interpretation even though it contradicts scripture.

 

[Earburner]

What is it that you do not understand here?

"Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

"They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony. (Faithful Witness)
And they did not love their lives
so as to shy away from death."

"Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." (Faithful Witness)

"And I/JESUS will empower My two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Please notice Rev. 11:1-4.
[1] And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
[2] But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
[4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Q. Who is speaking through the angel in verse 1? (See Rev. 1:1)

Have you not understood that when God speaks, He speaks in the past, in the present, in the future and in eternity, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Our little "squirrel cage" of a brain cannot handle such thinking!! Why do you think that there are so many different interpretations of the book of Revelation???

Now here is one that will surely cook your brain: In Rev. 10:1-11, John was told that he was to eat the little book. And then he was told: [11] ....Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Q. Do you have a clue of how and when John was to prophecy to all people?
Your answer is?? (Rev. 1:11).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Of all generations of people, ONLY Jesus and John the baptist HAD the Holy Spirit at birth.
To me, they are the most likely candidates.

Enoch, Elijah and even Moses ARE NOT candidates at all!
My focus is the word "anointed" in Zech. 4
[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Why does it have to be individuals? The two witnesses are symbolically represented as two candlesticks and two olive trees. Elsewhere in the book of Revelation candlesticks represent churches. So, why do they represent individuals here? In Romans 11 olive trees represent people groups with the cultivated olive tree representing Israel (the Israel of God) and the wild olive tree representing the Gentiles. So, in my view, the two witnesses represent believing Israelites/Jews and believing Gentiles together as one, which is the church.

 

[David in NJ]

Please notice Rev. 11:1-4.
[1] And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
[2] But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
[4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Q. Who is speking through the angel in verse 1?

Have you not understood that when God speaks, He speaks in the past, in the present, in the future and in eternity, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Our little "squirrel cage" of a brain cannot handle such thinking!! Why do you think that there are so many different interpretations of the book of Revelation???

Now here is one that will surely cook your brain: In Rev. 10:1-11, John was told that he was to eat the little book. And then he was told: [11] ....Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Do you have a clue of how and when John was to prophecy to all people?
Your answer is??

We are not Called to bear witness of angels.

No place in Scripture is our faith in angels - only in the message that they may bring that directly comes from the LORD.

Galayions 1:6-9
I am amazed how quickly you are deserting the One who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse!

 

[Earburner]

We are not Called to bear witness of angels.

No place in Scripture is our faith in angels - only in the message that they may bring that directly comes from the LORD.

Galayions 1:6-9
I am amazed how quickly you are deserting the One who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse!

You didn't really answer my first question, but instead gave an explanation of how we should not have faith in angels.
However, you did say: No place in Scripture is our faith in angels - only in the message that they may bring that directly comes from the LORD.
So here it is again:
Q. Who is speaking through the angel in Rev. 11, verse 1?

Concerning my second question, you may have overlooked it:
Q. Do you have a clue of how and when John was to prophecy to all people?
Your answer is?? See Rev. 1, verse 11.

 

[Earburner]

Galayions 1:6-9
I am amazed how quickly you are deserting the One who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ.

Once you have correctly answered my two questions, you will find that your false assumption about me and my faith in the Lord, will prove to be unfounded.

 

[David in NJ]

Once you have correctly answered my two questions, you will find that your false assumption about me and my faith in the Lord, will prove to be unfounded.

Stop going off the rails...........not once have i questioned your Salvation in Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

n that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them.


When you have guest over for dinner = you cook

There are no more blood sacrifices for sin being instituted here.

You are trying to get out of what your beliefs imply. As I said, observing the feast of tabernacles in a literal way, which is what you think that is talking about, requires animal sacrifices. Do you deny that? If so, I will show you that.