No More I, But Sin That Lives In Me

[marks]

Romans 7:14-25 KJV
14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Twice in this passage Paul says, "It is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me". In saying, "no more", this indicates that previous it was, and now it is not. There was a change.

What changed?

It was he himself that did these things, now it's not him, but it's sin that lives in him that does these things.

Much love!


@Bible Highlighter

 

[Davy]

Romans 7:14-25 KJV
14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Twice in this passage Paul says, "It is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me". In saying, "no more", this indicates that previous it was, and now it is not. There was a change.

What changed?

It was he himself that did these things, now it's not him, but it's sin that lives in him that does these things.

Much love!


@Bible Highlighter

Which is why those in Christ have repentance and forgiveness in their 'walk' with Jesus, His cleansing us of it.

But the haughty and arrogant that refuse to repent to Him when they sin, even after they have believed on Him, for them there won't be cleansing from it. And when He comes, those fit the ones He warned about that will say, "Lord, lord", and He will tell those who work iniquity to get away from Him (Matthew 7).

 

[Robert Gwin]

Romans 7:14-25 KJV
14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Twice in this passage Paul says, "It is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me". In saying, "no more", this indicates that previous it was, and now it is not. There was a change.

What changed?

It was he himself that did these things, now it's not him, but it's sin that lives in him that does these things.

Much love!


@Bible Highlighter

Hi Marks, nothing changed sir, we Christians are not immune to the desires of sin. It is our natural inclination in fact, an inherited trait of our original parents. You observed Paul's admission of it, and he was an anointed, called one of the heavenly calling. If he was not immune to sin, neither are we lesser Christians. But we have a helper, as did Paul, while we all sin, it is extremely rare that we commit a serious sin, why? Because God will make the way out for us, I have observed this every time I come close to committing a serious sin.

 

[marks]

Hi Marks, nothing changed sir,

You may choose to revisit the passage. "It is no more I", something most certainly did change.

Much love!

 

[Robert Gwin]

You may choose to revisit the passage. "It is no more I", something most certainly did change.

Much love!

Of course I am very happy you are not plagued by thorns in the flesh, but speaking for myself, like Paul, I am plagued constantly, I too have to fight with myself to not commit serious sins, and like Paul haven't done so for many years, not on my own strength of course, but through Jehovah making the way out. Paul wasn't speaking about committing serious sins per se' but was speaking of being plagued by the desires of the flesh. He too was able to curb those desires, why? Same reason Jehovah makes the way out for His people.

 

[Gospel Believer]

Of course I am very happy you are not plagued by thorns in the flesh, but speaking for myself, like Paul, I am plagued constantly, I too have to fight with myself to not commit serious sins, and like Paul haven't done so for many years, not on my own strength of course, but through Jehovah making the way out. Paul wasn't speaking about committing serious sins per se' but was speaking of being plagued by the desires of the flesh. He too was able to curb those desires, why? Same reason Jehovah makes the way out for His people.

What are these “ serious sins” of which you speak? Are we Saved as long as our sins are unserious sins? Could you elaborate please?.....thanking you in advance.....

 

[marks]

17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Before, Paul identified with his flesh.

Romans 7:14-25 KJV
14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Paul shows himself to be fleshy - carnal - sold under sin, doing what he doesn't permit, and not doing what he wants to do, instead doing what he hates.

16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

But then he draws the conclusion that this inner conflict demonstrates something about him. It isn't him any longer that is committing the sin, now, it's "sin that lives in me".

18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

He continues now to make the distinction between himself and his flesh. He has the will to do good, but lacks the means to do good.

20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

He reaffirms this separation, No more I that do it. It was me, now it's not me. It was me, now it's sin that lives in me, that is, in my flesh. This fleshy body is programmed for sin. Before being reborn, it was who we were. The descendant of Adam, corrupted in our flesh by his sin, and then by our own compounding that corruption.

21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Two processes are at work in him, that there is the presence of evil even with our desire to do good.

22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

And this is the definition of this dichotomy. He delights in the law of God in the inner man, but there is another law, a principle, in his "members", this literally means "body parts", our flesh, the fleshy body. There is a law of sin in his body, his members,

24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Yet in his mind, the inner man, he serves the Law of God. Though the flesh remains serving the law of sin.

The flesh will not be redeemed until we are resurrected/transformed.

Meanwhile, our citizenship is in heaven, and when Jesus returns, He will transform the body of our humiliation to be like His glorious body.

Here's what changed. Paul was born again. Born from God a new creation, patterned after God Himself, yet remaining in the corrupted flesh. But he wasn't that corrupt fleshy man any longer, no more, now, he is the spirit child of God. Where sin doen't live.

Much love!

 

[Jim B]

Before, Paul identified with his flesh.


Paul shows himself to be fleshy - carnal - sold under sin, doing what he doesn't permit, and not doing what he wants to do, instead doing what he hates.

But then he draws the conclusion that this inner conflict demonstrates something about him. It isn't him any longer that is committing the sin, now, it's "sin that lives in me".

He continues now to make the distinction between himself and his flesh. He has the will to do good, but lacks the means to do good.

He reaffirms this separation, No more I that do it. It was me, now it's not me. It was me, now it's sin that lives in me, that is, in my flesh. This fleshy body is programmed for sin. Before being reborn, it was who we were. The descendant of Adam, corrupted in our flesh by his sin, and then by our own compounding that corruption.

Two processes are at work in him, that there is the presence of evil even with our desire to do good.

And this is the definition of this dichotomy. He delights in the law of God in the inner man, but there is another law, a principle, in his "members", this literally means "body parts", our flesh, the fleshy body. There is a law of sin in his body, his members,

Yet in his mind, the inner man, he serves the Law of God. Though the flesh remains serving the law of sin.

The flesh will not be redeemed until we are resurrected/transformed.

Meanwhile, our citizenship is in heaven, and when Jesus returns, He will transform the body of our humiliation to be like His glorious body.

Here's what changed. Paul was born again. Born from God a new creation, patterned after God Himself, yet remaining in the corrupted flesh. But he wasn't that corrupt fleshy man any longer, no more, now, he is the spirit child of God. Where sin doen't live.

Much love!

You need to get beyond Romans 7!

 

[Jim B]

Romans 7:14-25 KJV
14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Twice in this passage Paul says, "It is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me". In saying, "no more", this indicates that previous it was, and now it is not. There was a change.

What changed?

It was he himself that did these things, now it's not him, but it's sin that lives in him that does these things.

Much love!


@Bible Highlighter

Keep reading! There is more to Paul's message than Romans 7.

 

[Jim B]

Of course I am very happy you are not plagued by thorns in the flesh, but speaking for myself, like Paul, I am plagued constantly, I too have to fight with myself to not commit serious sins, and like Paul haven't done so for many years, not on my own strength of course, but through Jehovah making the way out. Paul wasn't speaking about committing serious sins per se' but was speaking of being plagued by the desires of the flesh. He too was able to curb those desires, why? Same reason Jehovah makes the way out for His people.

Philippians 4:6-7, "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

You need to trust God and stop battling with sin.

 

[ScottA]

Which is why those in Christ have repentance and forgiveness in their 'walk' with Jesus, His cleansing us of it.

But the haughty and arrogant that refuse to repent to Him when they sin, even after they have believed on Him, for them there won't be cleansing from it. And when He comes, those fit the ones He warned about that will say, "Lord, lord", and He will tell those who work iniquity to get away from Him (Matthew 7).

It is true that God has allotted our whole lifetime for the purpose of salvation, which can be misunderstood to mean that it is actually not finished until the end of our life. However, there is also given an exception to it being a lifelong process, which is that "today is the time of salvation." Meaning that from that particular day when and if we actually believe that it is finished, "old things have passed away, all things have become new", which is given in past tense--because it can be in the past, rather than just in the future.

Thus, when and if we have come to receive salvation in full (and not before), we no longer serve the working out of our own salvation, but serve and reign with Christ for the salvation of others.

 

[Davy]

It is true that God has allotted our whole lifetime for the purpose of salvation, which can be misunderstood to mean that it is actually not finished until the end of our life. However, there is also given an exception to it being a lifelong process, which is that "today is the time of salvation." Meaning that from that particular day when and if we actually believe that it is finished, "old things have passed away, all things have become new", which is given in past tense--because it can be in the past, rather than just in the future.

Thus, when and if we have come to receive salvation in full (and not before), we no longer serve the working out of our own salvation, but serve and reign with Christ for the salvation of others.

As long as there is the possibility of the Christian to be deceived in this world, then they are still working out their own Salvation in Christ Jesus.

And just how far... did Lord Jesus show His Church warnings against deceptions of this world? how far reaching did Christ's Apostles give warning against deception?

The Answer: ALL THE WAY LEADING UP TO CHRIST'S FUTURE COMING.

And because the greatest event of deception of this present world with the appearance of a false-Messiah is soon to come upon us at the end, it's OK for those in Christ to slack off now??? A trained seal can understand how the devil is making things on this earth continuously more evil as we get closer to the end. When he finally arrives playing Christ in Jerusalem, and demands all to bow to him as God, and all that before Jesus returns, easing off Christ's command for us to WATCH is just plain devil's teaching.

 

[Robert Gwin]

What are these “ serious sins” of which you speak? Are we Saved as long as our sins are unserious sins? Could you elaborate please?.....thanking you in advance.....

Thanks GB for asking me, and it is nice to speak with you. Serious sins are those sins if we practice we will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Many of those are listed at 1 Cor 6:9,10 they are: Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,  thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

On occasion a true Christian might violate one of these, but keep in mind God is not cruel and unforgiving, and He understands our imperfect make up, so based on the sincerity of your repentance, He is willing to forgive through the ransom of Jesus, however if you continue to practice that sin, there will be a point in which there is no more ransom for you Heb 10:26 A great example of His forgiveness is forgiving King David for the atrocious sins he committed. He is definitely more forgiving than I. But David was sincerely repentant, and did have to suffer the consequences of his sin, so Jehovah granted forgiveness.

Non serious sins are like going over the speed limit, inconsideration toward others, lusting after someone or something, etc. Most Christians commit these sins every day most of the time committing them unconsciously. Again thanks for asking. Bob

 

[Robert Gwin]

Philippians 4:6-7, "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

You need to trust God and stop battling with sin.

Like the Beach Boys said Jim, wouldn't it be nice. I guess you don't struggle with the desires of the flesh either. I just always took it for granted we all had our thorns in the flesh. I am very happy for you sir, but it is a struggle for me. I think age has helped considerably, but it is a constant fight to keep my integrity. Sadly many Christians lose to the battle, some not even being able to overcome it. When extremely strong ones, like David, Solomon, Judas and Peter (both apostles), and don't forget Adam was actually perfect, and the struggle the born again Paul admitted to, for me just one of the other sheep, I assure you keeping integrity is a struggle.

 

[ScottA]

As long as there is the possibility of the Christian to be deceived in this world, then they are still working out their own Salvation in Christ Jesus.

And just how far... did Lord Jesus show His Church warnings against deceptions of this world? how far reaching did Christ's Apostles give warning against deception?

The Answer: ALL THE WAY LEADING UP TO CHRIST'S FUTURE COMING.

And because the greatest event of deception of this present world with the appearance of a false-Messiah is soon to come upon us at the end, it's OK for those in Christ to slack off now??? A trained seal can understand how the devil is making things on this earth continuously more evil as we get closer to the end. When he finally arrives playing Christ in Jerusalem, and demands all to bow to him as God, and all that before Jesus returns, easing off Christ's command for us to WATCH is just plain devil's teaching.

You have answered your own error and don't even know it.

Indeed, before Christ comes...it is future, for He has not yet come. But it is that which you do not understand....or simply do not believe.

In other words, you either believe that starting "soon" after He said it would "shortly take place" He then began fulfilling just what He said, saying "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me"...or you don't believe it. Nonetheless, all of what He said would "shortly take place" was no lie by Christ, but rather leaves you in great error which He warned of in the parable of "the evil servant" who says, "My master is delaying his coming."

So--take the warning, or remain blind to the truth until you pass from this world. Either way, stop leaving out parts of what is written in your doctrine, and for God's sake--stop teaching it until you have reconciled all scripture.