Nah the new man will never depart, Jer 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Coming to Christ necessitates Gods supernatural power [His Drawing] and not mans freewill so called Jn 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The Supernatural Power is the Grace of God through the Power of the Holy Spirit which is through the New Birth ! 12
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The Supernatural Power is the Grace of God through the Power of the Holy Spirit which is through the New Birth ! 12
John 6:44 is indisputably disclosing to us that no one person can come to the Lord Jesus Christ by his or her own freewill ! 13
mailmandan
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Although it is our responsibility to choose to believe in Jesus Christ unto salvation and we will be held accountable for unbelief (John 3:18), saving belief/faith in Christ is not exclusively a matter of human decision. Unless the Father draws us in (John 6:44) and enables us (John 6:65) we would not come to believe all by ourselves. The approach of the soul to Christ is initiated by the Father, but He doesn't force us to choose Christ, we must choose to believe in Christ unto salvation. The impulse to faith in Christ comes from God.
soberxp
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They just don't understand what they're doing.
So as long as they understand, there will be salvation, and of course it will be Jesus Christ who will save them.
If salvation is predestined, then it must be so.
That's part of depravity not seeking the true God nor understanding Him Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Jn 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The word “can” is a word of ability not merely will not accept. Why doesn’t man have the ability to come to Christ? Simply because they are dead in sins. Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
The word dead nekros :
A spiritually dead person can only be one thing and that is dead until a resurrection occurs. 14
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The word “can” is a word of ability not merely will not accept. Why doesn’t man have the ability to come to Christ? Simply because they are dead in sins. Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
The word dead nekros :
- metaph.
- spiritually dead
- destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins
- inactive as respects doing right
- destitute of force or power, inactive, inoperative
- spiritually dead
A spiritually dead person can only be one thing and that is dead until a resurrection occurs. 14
Wonder if The Father doesnt draw a person to believe in Christ ? Does that person have the ability to believe in Christ with their own freewill ?
What we as natural men dont comprehend is that by nature we are dead to God, in such a condition we are without any hope in and of ourselves, like these gentiles Eph 2:12
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
This means nothing can possibly done by man to change his plight, he can not do anything spiritually good towards salvation. Without spiritual life its a dead end. By nature we cant even think a spiritual thought 2 Cor 3:5
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Jesus even told His disciples in regards to spiritual matters Jn 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
So what about a person dead in sin ? How can they come to Christ, a spiritual act, by their own freewill in the flesh ? 14
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
This means nothing can possibly done by man to change his plight, he can not do anything spiritually good towards salvation. Without spiritual life its a dead end. By nature we cant even think a spiritual thought 2 Cor 3:5
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Jesus even told His disciples in regards to spiritual matters Jn 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
So what about a person dead in sin ? How can they come to Christ, a spiritual act, by their own freewill in the flesh ? 14
No one has the ability to accept Jesus unless the Father gives it to him !
soberxp
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So did you see the point?
If God is willing, anyone can accept Jesus Christ.
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A person comes to Christ only because the Father causes him to come to Christ,
Thats what in essence Jn 6:44 is saying, Similar to Psalm 65:4
4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
Its a Covenant Blessing Ezk 36:27
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The drawing of the Father in Jn 6:44 is His causing His Chosen People to believe in Christ ! 14
Thats what in essence Jn 6:44 is saying, Similar to Psalm 65:4
4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
Its a Covenant Blessing Ezk 36:27
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The drawing of the Father in Jn 6:44 is His causing His Chosen People to believe in Christ ! 14
This is about the inability of man by nature to believe in Jesus with his own freewill so called. He cannot
soberxp
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If man does not have free will, then he can't sin either. The implications are staggering when you say man can not come to Christ. Yet, Luke records that God created man to seek Him out. Paul says that God wants all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.
Keep in mind that man is not eternally condemned because of sin. All people, including unbelievers, are not condemned because of their personal sins. Christ has redeemed all mankind, including unbelievers.
(BobLynnPaul, formerly KUWN)
soberxp
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Something tells me you are not a serious bible student. Now where would I have got that from? Strangely, the two responses I got from my original post have no biblical reference. If you can't discuss a post without referencing one biblical teaching, what is the sense in responding at all? I referenced the two bible chapters that supported my proposition. I noted you did not respond to them. I will go easy on you since you may very well be a babe in Christ and I would not want to offend you.
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