Spiritual Israelite
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That's a good verse, Robert. I guess it means that we shouldn't answer your questions since...you know...Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
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That's a good verse, Robert. I guess it means that we shouldn't answer your questions since...you know...Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Always Believing...I mean Robert...I mean Gilligan, what in the world are you talking about here? Have you never read John 11 which talks about the death of Lazarus and then about how Jesus raised him from the dead?At this point, I don't know why someone would argue otherwise, and insist in saying Lazarus was resurrected from the dead, but it really doesn't matter to me.
But again, Lazarus died again. Jesus raised a little girl from the dead. Paul raised the young man that fell out the window.Always Believing...I mean Robert...I mean Gilligan, what in the world are you talking about here? Have you never read John 11 which talks about the death of Lazarus and then about how Jesus raised him from the dead?
John 11:38 Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39 “Take away the stone,” he said.“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.” 40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?” 41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” 43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.
You don't know why someone would insist that Lazarus was resurrected from the dead? Oh, I don't know. Maybe because scripture clearly teaches that he was?
I didn't say otherwise.But again, Lazarus died again.
Right. And she died again later, too.Jesus raised a little girl from the dead.
The word resurrection can refer to different things, but it generally means to be brought from death to life. It can refer to someone being resurrected from the dead back in their mortal body or, in the case of Jesus and those who belong to Him, it can refer to those who are resurrected from the dead unto bodily immortality, as Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 15.Paul raised the young man that fell out the window.
Resurrection means one that is raised to die no more.
God raising someone back to life on earth, to live out the rest of their days, is no more a resurrection of the dead, than is a spirit-only 'resurrection'.
At this point, I don't know why someone would argue otherwise, and insist in saying Lazarus was resurrected from the dead, but it really doesn't matter to me.
Resurrection means one that is raised to die no more.
Can you prove me wrong?And you can prove that? Have anything from a Greek dictionary or concordance to support that
Can you prove me wrong?
Even Jonah was a sign or example of Christs resurrection. He was literally dead 3 days before the fish spit him out.
There is only 2 resurrections. At the end of the world,ages,whenever. First one the believers. Second one,the lost to damnation.Sure but I asked you for proof of what you claim so I and those reading along are waiting.
There is only 2 resurrections. At the end of the world,ages,whenever. First one the believers. Second one,the lost to damnation.
Common sense would tell us Lazarus then, could only be resurrected once.
It started out ok. Then you confused me.Some people died and were resurrected back to mortal life. Lazarus was one of them. He would have died again. On the flip side there will be some mortals that never die, those are written to be changed at the second coming. Most people do die physically one time while a smaller amount died twice, and a group that will not die physically but will be physically changed.
It started out ok. Then you confused me.
Can you clarify? I cant tell if you repeated or what happened
Do you have proof that is what Paul said? Paul claims those who do not accept a resurrection are in error.When did this resurrection take place?
Paul warns against teaching resurrection has already taken place. He called it heresy. I will stick with Paul.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."That's why it's Scripturally incorrect to say Lazarus was resurrected from the dead, coming out of his tomb still bound in graveclothes.
Scripture that states Lazarus died again?But again, Lazarus died again. Jesus raised a little girl from the dead. Paul raised the young man that fell out the window.
Resurrection means one that is raised to die no more.
Scripture that states Lazarus died again?
Your opinion does not create a fact.
Your opinion, instead, calls Jesus a liar, and that Lazarus did not experience the Resurrection and the Life. You seem to not believe the very words of Jesus.
"And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth."
Do you have proof that is what Paul said? Paul claims those who do not accept a resurrection are in error.
"Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins."
Paul makes no distinction between Christ being resurrected, and the rest of the dead being resurrected. That would include Lazarus. Lazarus was in sheol for 4 days. Jesus was only gone for 3 days. Certainly Lazarus was more dead than Jesus was. We are not talking seconds or minutes. Not even hours. Lazarus was dead dead. Not a near death experience.
"Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him."
Jesus purposely waited for 4 days.
"Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?"
Jesus waited 4 days so they could see the glory of God. This was a resurrection.
"But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
How can talking about Jesus' resurrection be profain and vain babbling? How can talking about Lazarus be profane and vain babbling? That is Scripture.
A past resurrection, where it is taught no other resurrection can occur would be a false teaching. No one living missed a resurrection. They were not even dead yet. Unless you can show what exactly these two teachers even taught, you can not apply that as a blanket statement declaring God's Word off limit in a conversation about the resurrection. Today the false teaching is that there is only one future resurrection. Not that the living missed the only resurrection ever to happen. These 2 teachers seem to be preterist in their view that resurrection already happened, and now people were stuck in their sin with no hope of eternal life. I guess your interpretation is totally different. What else would destroy a person's faith other than claiming it was all over, and nothing in the future could change that?
We know there was a resurrection at the Cross. That is not the same as declaring it was the only one that would ever happen.