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Although Enoch is the first man in the Old Testament said to walk with God;
the real Noah is the first man to be labeled righteous. (Gen 6:9, Gen 7:1)

The real Noah is one of the top three righteous men in the Old Testament;
surpassing even Moses. (Ezk 14:12-20)

The real Noah not only practiced righteousness; but he preached it too.
(2Pet 2:5)

The real Noah was what we might call a rugged individual; viz: he was
blameless with God in an era when the whole world had gone mad with evil.
(Gen 6:9)

The real Noah did just what God instructed him to do; and all without
stonewalling, whining, arguing, complaining, fault-finding, grousing,
grumbling, or protesting. (Gen 6:22, Gen 7:5)

Just thought I'd mention all that seeing as how no doubt Hollywood has
dramatized Noah to the extent that it'll ruin his reputation; and give people
the impression that he was no better a man than anybody else.

FYI: God couldn't very well list Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and/or David
among the top three righteous men in the Old Testament seeing as how
three of those guys were liars, and two were murderers.


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Mr.Bride said:
Didn't Noah get drunk?
How often?

I ask because there's a difference between drunk and drunkenness;
for example:

†. 1Sam 1:12-14 . . It happened, as she continued praying before Yhvh,
that Eli watched her mouth. Now Hannah spoke in her heart; only her lips
moved, but her voice was not heard. Therefore Eli thought she was drunk.
So Eli said to her; How long will you be drunk? Put your wine away from
you!

Eli suspected that Hannah was a heavy drinker; viz: an alcoholic; which is
very different than just getting tipsy now and then. In other words: I
seriously doubt that Noah was a candidate for AA. He was just a guy who let
wine sneak up on him. I once knew a girl in high school with such a low
tolerance for alcohol that just one can of ordinary beer made her start acting
silly. She was by nobody's definition either a heavy drinker or an alcoholic;
just a regular girl who liked to have fun on Friday night with the other kids.

†. Gen 43:34 . . Joseph took servings to them from before him, but
Benjamin's serving was five times as much as any of theirs. So they drank
and were merry with him.

The Hebrew word for "merry" in that verse is from shakar (shaw-kar') which
means to become tipsy; viz: to satiate with a stimulating drink. It might
surprise some people that God gave Man grapes for that very purpose.

†. Ps 104:14-15 . . He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, and
vegetation for the labor of man, So that he may bring forth food from the
earth, and wine which makes man's heart glad.



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Greetings; and welcome to Noah's Hydrology 101.

†. Gen 7:11a . . In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second
month, on the seventeenth day of the month (Chabad.org)

The Flood isn't dated according to a calendar; but rather, relative to Noah's
life. In other words: let's say that Noah was born in the month of July. Had
that been the case; then the second month of his life would have been
August.

†. Gen 8:14 . . And in the second month, on the twenty seventh day of the
month, the earth was dry. (Chabad.org)

The Flood's duration was ten days over a Noah-year. But the interesting
thing is: the months comprising Noah's life are all 30 days apiece; which
comes out to a Noah-year consisting of 360 days; which is 4¼ days short of
a calendar year. There's a really good reason for this rather peculiar
"baker's-dozen" kind of year; but I prefer not to explain it because I'd have
to drag us into the book of Daniel to do it; which doesn't appeal to me at all.
Suffice it to say, the Flood lasted a little over a year from start to finish.

†. Gen 7:11b . . on this day, all the springs of the great deep were split, and
the windows of the heavens opened up. (Chabad.org)

The word for "deep" is from tehowm (teh-home') which indicates an abyss
(as a surging mass of water), especially the deep (the main sea or the
subterranean water-supply). Tehowm occurred very early on in the Bible's
texts at Gen 1:1-2.

The difference is that this deep is the great deep. The word for "great" is
from rab (rab) which: abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank,
quality), so that this particular deep could be thought of as bottomless; viz:
a source of water beyond human imagination.

The atmosphere alone holds about 2,900 cubic miles of water at any given
time; with the balance of Earth's 340 million cubic miles of water stored in
oceans, rivers, lakes, ice caps, glaciers, permafrost, and the ground.
Relatively little ground water is stored in subterranean voids. Most of it is
soaked in tiny pores and cracks in soil and rocks. Almost all ground water
resides within five to ten miles of the surface. Water below that depth is
chemically bound in the rocks and minerals and not readily accessible; but
can be released as a result of geologic processes such as volcanism. But for
the Flood, water above and beyond the earth's indigenous sources were
required

Scientists have long suspected an abundance of water out in the cosmos.
Well, it's there alright. In an article I found on the internet dated July 22,
2011; astronomers have discovered the largest and oldest mass of water
ever detected in the universe-- a gigantic cloud harboring 140 trillion times
more water than all of Earth's oceans combined. Well; I'm pretty sure that's
a sufficient quantity of water to inundate the earth to the depth required by
the Flood and that's only one of the sources of water in space that we're
aware of.

†. Gen 7:19-20 . . And the waters became exceedingly powerful upon the
earth, and all the lofty mountains that were under the heavens were covered
up. Fifteen cubits above did the waters prevail, and the mountains were
covered up. (Chabad.org)

Was the Flood local? Well; the waters breeched the highest mountains by
22½ feet. So then, if perchance Noah lived in a geographic basin, the waters
would have overflowed the mountains surrounding him and kept on going to
geographic basins beyond.

But the water would start spilling into adjoining basins long before it
breeched the tops of the highest mountains surrounding Noah because
mountain ranges aren't shaped smooth. level, and even like the rim of a
domestic bath tub. No; they're very irregular and consist of high points and
low points; viz: peaks, valleys, canyons, saddles, and passes. Thus
mountain ranges make poor bath tubs because you would lose water
through the low points before it even had a chance to fill to the peaks. In
point of fact, were the sides of your bathtub shaped like a mountain range;
you could never fill it. And in trying to; just end up with water all over the
floor.

Fifteen cubits may not seem like a lot of water but when you consider the
diameter of the Earth, that is an enormous amount. If cubits were 18 inches
in Noah's day, that would be about 22½ feet above the highest mountains
that existed on Earth at that time. How high were the highest mountains in
Noah's day? Nobody really knows. But just supposing the tallest at that time
was about equal to Hawaii's Mauna Loa; 13,680 feet above sea level-- about
2.6 miles.

The Earth isn't a true sphere; it's diameter being somewhat less at the poles
than the equator. The equatorial radius is 3,963.4 miles and the polar radius
is 3,950.1 miles. A really simple mean is 3,956.75 miles. Subtracting the
difference in volume between a sphere of radius 3,956.75 miles and one of
3,959.35 (3,956.75+2.6) yields roughly 511.85 million cubic miles of liquid
water on the surface of the Earth before it swelled another 22½ feet above
the highest points.

That's only a guess of course because nobody really knows how deep the
Flood actually was; nor how high the highest mountains were. But it does
give some idea of the volume of water it took to completely inundate the
planet. Those 511.85 million cubic miles of water were introduced over and
above the 340 million cubic miles of indigenous water resident on the Earth
to begin with.

511.85 million cubes, of one mile square each, if laid side by side like a
string of toy blocks, would stretch from the Sun on out to Jupiter's orbit at
perihelion; and still have a few cubes left to spare.

If the waters were indeed deep enough to cover a mountain as high as
Hawaii's Mauna Loa, then the rainfall required was beyond belief. It rained a
mere forty days and forty nights yet that was enough to cover the Earth with
(guessing) 13,680 feet of water plus an additional 22½ feet-- if that is truly
how high the water was. Nobody really knows the elevation of the highest
mountain in Noah's day so I just picked Mauna Loa arbitrarily. But to reach
that elevation in only forty days would require rainfall of something like 171
inches (14¼ feet) per hour. At that rate, the Flood's waters would have
reached Denver in about 15½ days.

The world's heaviest average rainfall, about 430 inches, occurs at
Cherrapunji, in northeastern India. That's an annual average, not hourly.
Cherrapunji's average hourly rate is a mere .049 inches compared to the
Flood's 171 inches. The total for Noah's forty days, counting also the
additional 22½ feet, was 164,430 inches. That factors out to an average
annual rainfall of approximately 1,500,423 inches; or 125,035 feet per year:
which is 23.68 miles.

To give an idea of how far up 23.68 miles really is: the cruising altitude of a
Boeing 747 is between six and eight miles. At that altitude, probably about
all you're going to see of the airliner without straining your eyes is its
contrail. Well; the Flood's depth would have been quite a bit above that.



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River Jordan said:
So where did that water go after the flood was over?
†. Gen 8:1b-3a . . and God caused a wind to blow across the earth, and the
waters subsided. The fountains of the deep and the floodgates of the sky
were stopped up, and the rain from the sky was held back; the waters then
receded steadily from the earth.

The Old Testament Hebrew word that the editors of the NIV translated
"receded" is shuwb (shoob) an ambiguous word that can mean draw back,
return to the beginning, or simply diminish. The very same word is used in
the NIV's translation of Gen 3:19 thusly:

"By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the
ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will
return."

So then, I'm guessing that wherever God got the water in the first place;

He put it back; maybe in that colossal mass of water mentioned in post #4

Gravity assists rain to fall. But to get the Flood's waters off the planet
required overcoming gravity. The mechanical nature of that wind would be
an interesting study. I've a notion it was sort of like a wet-and-dry shop vac
rather than something like a leaf blower. In other words; the water was
sucked off rather than blown off. Well, whatever; it must have howled and
roared like the sound of a thousand World Trade Centers collapsing at once.

Note the time God utilized to remove the water. He got it all down here in
only 40 days, then let it set for 150; after which He took 220 days to remove
it; which suggests to me that Noah and his cargo enjoyed a relatively comfy
soft landing when the ark beached.



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I was thinking it might be fun to kick around some of the facts and figures
related to Noah's non nuclear-powered vessel. (Pavel Andreievich Chekov
pronounces it wessel in Star Trek IV; but what the hay; he's Russian so I'll
let him slide.)

†. Gen 6:14a . . Make yourself an ark

The Hebrew word for ark is tebah (tay-baw') and just simply indicates, not a
ship, but a nondescript box. The only other place tebah is used again in the
Old Testament is of the little watertight container Moses' mom constructed
to hide him from Pharaoh's assassins. (Ex 2:1-10)

†. Gen 6:14b . . of gopher wood;

Nobody really knows for sure exactly what kind of trees Noah used to make
the ark. The word for "gopher" has nothing to do with little subterranean
rodents. It's a transliteration of the Hebrew word gopher (go'-fer) which only
suggests a kind of tree suitable for building structures out of wood. Some
think it was cypress because the wood of those trees is so resinous that it
resists rotting even after prolonged submersion in water. Others think it may
have been cedar or spruce; which are good too. Unfortunately, this is the
one and only occurrence of gopher in the entire Old Testament so there's no
other passages that might help identify a specific kind of tree.

†. Gen 6:14c . . make it an ark with compartments,

The word for "compartments" is from qen (kane) which means: a nest (as
fixed), sometimes including the nestlings; figuratively, a chamber or
dwelling. The construction of nests (and stalls) indicates the animals weren't
just herded or jammed together like the crowds attending an outdoor
Metallica rock concert. They were neatly stowed aboard in their own areas
and apparently made to feel quite comfortable.

†. Gen 6:14d . . and cover it inside and out with pitch.

The word for "pitch" is kopher (ko'-fer) which means: a cover. It can also
mean a village (as covered in); and also bitumen (as used for coating) and
the henna plant (as used for dye).

Kopher is a common word in the Old testament for "atonement" which is like
pitch as a coating, or a covering, which is not only a sealing compound like
the stuff people apply to weatherproof their patio decks, but also a
concealment coating like paint and/or tar and feathers.

Coating the ark with bitumen not only served to waterproof it; but also
preserved the wood for future uses after the Flood subsided and Noah no
longer had need of a titanic water craft.

†. Gen 6:15a . .This is how you shall make it:

Some object that since paper and writing were not yet invented in Noah's
day, then God couldn't possible have provided him with plans for the ark.
But any pictograph, even one on a clay tablet or a rock face, qualifies as a
drawing. That objection infers that God was illiterate until Man learned to
read. (chuckle) I guess it just never occurs to them that holy men like Noah
were far more advanced than your average cave-dwelling hominid.

Other skeptics object that a wooden vessel the size of Noah's ark couldn't be
built because the timbers required for its structural strength would have
been so massive that Noah would never have managed to construct it. But
ancient craftsmen were far more ingenious than most people living today
realize.

For example, nobody yet has really figured out how the Egyptians built the
pyramids nor how the people of Easter Island cut, carved , and moved all
those big stone heads around. And the Egyptians aren't the only ones to
mystify us. There are ancient stone structures around the world that seem
impossible to be erected by human hands prior to the age of heavy
machinery; but nevertheless, there they are.

And not to forget that Noah's God was in the project. Since that's the case,
it's not unreasonable to assume God also provided Noah the tools necessary
to complete the task He assigned; and very, very possibly chipped in to help
out with the construction too. When people fail to factor in God, they
invariably end up mystified.

There's another possibility; though I wouldn't stick my neck out to defend it.
Gen 1:26 and Gen 3:22 suggest that God didn't do all the work of creation
by Himself; but possibly supervised a crew of angels during the cosmos'
construction. That same celestial construction crew may have assisted Noah
with the ark's construction-- but of course I'm only speculating.

So; how did Noah cut the logs that went into constructing the ark? Well;
according to the Bible, Cain's people were proficient with metals. If nothing
else; it's probably pretty certain that Noah had at least a metal hammer and
an axe; maybe several metal hammers and axes; and quite possibly saws
too.

†. Gen 4:2 . . And Zillah she too bore Tubal-cain, who sharpened all tools
that cut copper and iron

How did Noah join the logs and other wooden pieces that went into
constructing the ark? Well; you know, a good cabinet maker can assemble a
very nice armoire without using nuts and bolts by the strategic use of dowels
and clever joinery like grooves, rabbets, dovetails, mortises, and tenons.

Others object that a wooden vessel the size of the ark would never hold up
on the open sea without steel reinforcement; especially when the super
storm of Gen 8:1 began blowing to mop up the water. But again; those
objectors typically fail to factor in God's involvement in the Flood. You really
think He left the only surviving humans and the only surviving beasts on the
whole planet to the mercy of the elements? No; with God's oversight, even a
house of cards would have survived the Flood had He wished it to.

†. Gen 6:15b . . the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width
fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits.

There was a cubit among the Babylonians, and one in Egypt too. But there
seems to have existed double standards in both countries. Because of that,
there exists no undisputed example of the cubit that remains to the present
time; so the length of the cubit has been variously estimated.

One of the ancient cubits was the length of a man's forearm, from the elbow
to the tip of the middle finger, as is implied from the derivation of the word
in Hebrew and from the Latin cubitum. It seems to be referred to also in
Deut 3:11 as "after the cubit of a man." But that's too vague, and unsuitable
for a scientific standard because not all men's arms are exactly alike.

The Babylonians employed two different cubits: the so-called royal cubit and
the common cubit. From the remains of buildings in Assyria and Babylonia,
the royal cubit is made out to be about 20.6 inches. A cubit of similar length
was used in Egypt. This was probably the cubit mentioned by Ezk 40:5 and
possibly that of Solomon's temple as "cubits after the first measure" (2 Chr
3:3)

The commercial cubit was shorter, and has been variously estimated at
between 16 and 18 inches or more, but the evidence of the Siloam
inscription and of the tombs in Palestine seems to indicate 17.6 inches as
the average length. This was the cubit of six palms, while the longer one
was of seven (Ezk 40:5). The cubit mentioned in Judges 3:16 is from a
different word, the Hebrew gomedh, and was probably shorter.

The cubit of Noah's day remains a total mystery. We have no way of
knowing exactly how long it was. Maybe Noah and his boys passed on their
antediluvian knowledge of weights and measures to the post-flood world and
it stayed pretty close to the original standards over the years; but it's
impossible to know for sure.

If we use an 18-inch cubit as a close approximation, then the ark would
have been in the neighborhood of 450' long x 75' wide x 45' high. The ark's
beam was 30 feet wider than its height, so should have proved very stable,
and difficult to capsize even in rough seas-- especially since it had a flat
bottom, which was good too for the purpose intended.

Nothing fancy. Since the ark didn't have to navigate; then it didn't require a
means of propulsion nor was there any practical use for a bow, or a stern, or
a wheel house, a rudder, sails, engine room, anchor, windlasses, or masts--
not even a handrail around the main deck. Since the ark didn't have to cut
through the water like a schooner, there it didn't need tapered undersides.
All the ark really had to do was float. It was really nothing in the world but a
barge: and a very crude barge at that. Really little more than a very large
watertight crate.

Compared to modern ships, 450 feet is not all that big. Oil tankers are
around 1,500, and the Nimitz aircraft carrier is about 1,092 feet. The
distance from home plate to the center field fence in major league baseball,
averages 400 feet or better. So the ark would just about fit into Yankee
stadium. The main playing area of a football field is 300 feet. Add 26 more
for the end zones, and the total is 326; which is still 124 feet short of the
ark's length but at least gives some idea of its scale.

†. Gen 6:16a . . Make an opening for daylight in the ark, and terminate it
within a cubit of the top.

The ark was probably capped with a steeply sloped roof so the immense
volumes of water falling from the sky during the rain stage of the Flood
wouldn't impinge it perpendicularly; but rather strike a glancing blow; and
the eves were likely quite considerable so water running off the roof wouldn't
find its way to the window. Whether or not the window was shuttered isn't
stated, but was very likely a practical consideration. The first forty days of
the Flood were extremely inclement.

The dimensions of the window aren't stated. It could have been as wide as
six feet and extended the full length and width of the ark-- all the way
around it; who really knows. The only requirement was that it be adequate
for light; but undoubtedly served for ventilation too. With all that respiration
going on in there, Noah's air supply would become foul in very short order.

†. Gen 6:16b . . Put the entrance to the ark in its side; make it with bottom,
second, and third decks.

A hatch in the hull was practical. Its cover could be let down as a boarding
ramp.

The very bottom of a ship is normally not counted as a deck. The lowest
deck is usually somewhat above the bottom and separated from it by a void
called the double bottom. That way if the actual bottom is pierced, the ship
won't sink because the void is sealed. Whether or not Noah's ark had a
double bottom is unknown; but likely it had at least a bilge because the
lowest deck needs to be above the bottom a bit so the passengers and crew
don't have to slosh around down there in the lower parts of the ship where
fetid water and other unsavory liquids typically collect.

The spaces between decks were fairly tall. If we divide 45 by 3 we get
roughly 15 feet apiece not counting a bilge, nor the thickness of the deck
planks and their beams. Fifteen feet can accommodate pretty tall animals;
and provide enough room for the birds to exercise now and then too.

An ark 450 feet by 75 feet, with three decks would have provided 101,250
square feet of living space. If Noah were resourceful, he might have installed
shelves and cabinets on the hull and the bulkheads, plus more on the
overheads, and the underside of the ark's roof for even more storage/living
space. thus he would have taken advantage of not just the ark's square feet;
but also its cubic feet.


Larger creatures could have shared their spaces with smaller creatures, even
permitting the ones smaller than themselves to climb up and rest on their
backs. Life finds a way.

Detractors insist there wasn't enough space aboard for all the various
creatures in Noah's day, but they fail to take into account a few facts. For
one, nobody really knows how long the cubit of Noah's day was and, most
importantly, nobody really knows how many species of life existed in his
day. By the time Man appeared on this old earth of ours, some pretty
colossal mass extinctions had already taken place; and on top of that, many
of the species that exist on earth in our day, may not have existed in Noah's
day, but instead what we are seeing in our day is the result of millennia of
somatic mutations and adaptations.

Some folk insist that Noah took dinosaurs aboard the ark; but
paleontologists are pretty sure the Jurassic era was over, done, and long
gone by means of a mysterious mass extinction event millennia before the
entrance of homo sapiens on the earth.

Others refuse to listen to paleontologists because according to Gen 1:24-31
God created all terra life, including homo sapiens, on the sixth day. But their
hang-up stems from assuming that the terms "evening and morning"
indicate a 24-hour event. In reality, the sun didn't become a time keeper
until the fourth day so that "evening and morning" prior to the fourth day
couldn't possibly indicate a 24-hour day. No; it makes far and away more

sense to understand the days of creation as epochs of undeterminable length
with evening and morning simply indicating the end of one epoch and the
beginning of another. Thus T-Rex got his piece of the sixth day, and Man
got his piece of it.

Some folk regard science an enemy of the Bible; but Galileo believed that

science and religion are allies rather than enemies-- two different languages
telling the same story. In other words: science and religion are not at odds;
no, in reality, science is simply too young to understand, and religion simply
too old; but each is being gradually updated by sharing the unique knowledge
that each brings to the table.

They say there are seven wonders of the ancient world, but that is not quite
accurate. There's actually eight if we include Noah's ark. Sure, building a big
wooden barge like Noah's would be child's play for a modern shipyard like
Northrop Grumman Newport News; but in his day, it had to be quite a feat.



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Are you aware of the similarities between the Hebrew's story of Noah and the flood and the earlier Babylonian flood story within the Epic of Gilgamesh? Given the time the Hebrews were in Babylon and the similarities between the stories, it looks very much like the Hebrews copied the Babylonian story and put their own "spin" on it. That's hardly surprising, since different cultures borrow and adapt stories from each other all the time. IMO, to think "Oh no, the Hebrews never, ever borrowed anything" is kinda silly.
 

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Webers_Home said:
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FYI: God couldn't very well list Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and/or David
among the top three righteous men in the Old Testament seeing as how
three of those guys were liars, and two were murderers.


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I like that list you mentioned in Eze 14! However, I can make at least a small case for Moses as well, even though he isn't on that list. He is part of a shorter list (which includes Noah) in the Old Testament: that list being those who found grace in the eyes of the Lord (Gen 6:8 and Exo 33:17). If there are others, I haven't come across them.
 

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Greetings; and welcome to Noah's Mountaineering for beginners, dare
devils, wanna-bees, and extreme sports enthusiasts.

†. Gen 8:4 . . And the ark came to rest in the seventh month, on the
seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat.

The precise topographic location, where the ark went aground, was not
really up on a specific mountain by the name of Ararat nor up on any other
mountain for that matter. The Hebrew word for "mountains" in Gen 8:4 is
haareey the plural of har (har) which doesn't always mean a prominent land
mass like Everest or McKinley; especially when it's plural. Har can also mean
a range of hills or highlands.

In California, where I lived as a kid, the local elevation 35 miles east of San
Diego, in the town of Alpine, was about 2,000 feet above sea level. There
were plenty of meadows with pasture and good soil. In fact much of it was
very good ranchland and quite a few people in that area raised horses and
cows. We ourselves kept about five hundred chickens, and a few goats and
calves. We lived in the mountains of San Diego; but we didn't live up on top
of one of its mountains like Viejas, Lyon's, or Cuyamaca.

Another inhabited region in the continental U.S. that's elevated is the area of
Denver Colorado; which is located on the western edge of the Great Plains
near the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains. Denver is a whole mile above
sea level-- 5,280 feet. However, Denver, even though so high above sea
level, isn't located on the tippy top of a mountain, nor even on the side of
one; it's just located up on high ground.

The ark contained the only surviving souls of man and fauna on the entire
planet. Does it really make good sense to strand them up on a mountain
peak where they might risk death and injury descending it?

When my wife and I visited the San Diego zoo together back in the early
1980's, we noticed that the Giraffes' area had no fence around it. The tour
guide told us the Giraffes' enclosure doesn't need a fence because their area
is up on a plateau 3 feet high. The Giraffes don't try to escape because
they're afraid of heights. There's just no way Giraffes could've climbed down
off of Turkey's Mount Ararat. It's way too steep and rugged. Those poor
timid creatures would've been stranded up there and died; and so would
hippos, elephants, and flightless birds like penguins.

The Hebrew word for "Ararat" is from 'Ararat (ar-aw-rat') which appears
three more times in the Bible: one at 2Kgs 19:37, one at Isa 37:38, and one
at Jer 51:27. Ararat is always the country of Armenia: never a specific peak
by the same name.

So; what happened to the ark? Well; according to the dimensions given at
Gen 6:15, the ark was shaped like what the whiz kids call a right rectangular
prism; which is nothing in the world but the shape of a common shoe box.
So most of the lumber and logs used in its construction would've been nice
and straight; which is perfect for putting together houses, fences, barns,
corrals, stables, gates, hog troughs, mangers, and outhouses.

I think it's very safe to assume Noah and his boys gradually dismantled the
ark and used the wood for many other purposes, including fires. Nobody
cooked or heated their homes or their bath and laundry water using refined
fossil fuels and/or electricity and steam in those days, so everybody needed
to keep on hand a pretty fair-sized wood pile for their daily needs. There was
probably plenty of drift wood left behind by the Flood, but most of that
would be water-soaked at first. But according to Gen 6:14 the ark's wood
was treated. So underneath the pitch it was still in pretty good shape and
should have been preserved for many years to come.



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†. Gen 9:20-25 . . Noah began farming and planted a vineyard. And he
drank of the wine and became drunk, and uncovered himself inside his tent.

. . . And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and
told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment and
laid it upon both their shoulders and walked backward and covered the
nakedness of their father; and their faces were turned away, so that they
did not see their father's nakedness.

. . .When Noah awoke from his wine, he knew what his youngest son had
done to him. So he said: Cursed be Canaan

Canaan was Ham's son; and I'd imagine that he objected very strongly upon
hearing a curse pronounced upon himself when it was not him but his dad
who embarrassed grandpa. What did Canaan do to deserve a curse? Not a
thing. Then why did Noah curse Ham's son instead of cursing Ham? The
answer to that is located in the passage below

†. Ex 34:6-7 . .Yhvh, Yhvh: a God compassionate and gracious, slow to
anger, abounding in kindness and faithfulness; extending kindness to the
thousandth generation-- forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; yet He
does not remit all punishment; but visits the iniquity of parents upon
children and children's children unto the third and fourth generation.

Parents' progeny aren't imputed guilt for their parents' conduct, but they do
sometimes become collateral damage when God goes after the parents. For
example the Flood. No doubt quite a few innocent children drowned in that
event due to their parents' wickedness. The same happened to the children
in Sodom and Gomorrah. And during Moses' face-off with Pharaoh, God
moved against everything that pertained to the man; including, but not
limited to, his economy, his land, his livestock, his citizens, his citizens'
children, and his own children. It's a very disturbing biblical fact of life that
sometimes God gets back at the parents by going after things that pertain to
them.

For example; God took the life of David's little baby boy for his father's sins of
premeditated murder and adultery.

Another example is located in the 16th chapter of Numbers where not just
the rebels were punished; but their entire families and all their belongings
were swallowed by a fissure that God opened in the ground beneath their
feet.

A close call is recorded in the book of Jonah. Had not the adults in Ninevah
changed their ways, something like 120,000 little children would have
perished; not to mention all the cattle. According to Jonah 4:11, taking
out children and dumb animals is not something that God enjoys. But there
is a mysterious element to absolute justice that apparently compels Him to
do it.



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†. Gen 6:21-22 . . For your part, take of everything that is eaten and store it
away, to serve as food for you and for them. Noah did so; just as God
commanded him, so he did.

God didn't specify the amount of food to load aboard. He only instructed
Noah to store things that are edible; but not their quantity. Nobody can be
sure whether or not Noah knew just how long the Flood was going to last. If
he didn't, then of course he would have no idea how much food he needed
to bring along.

So what about the carnivorous animals that came aboard with Noah-- the
lions and tigers and hawks and eagles and meerkats and alligators and
crocodiles; et al? No problem. According to Gen 1:29-30, all manner of
animal life survived on a vegetarian diet prior to the Flood; including
humans.

Some have proposed that the animals were put into hibernation and/or
estivation so they wouldn't have to be fed very often nor require much room
for exercise nor would they generate much manure to clean up. Others have
proposed that Noah didn't actually load an entire year's supply of food
aboard the ark; just a minimum amount that God then miraculously
sustained.

There are incidents in the Old Testament where small amounts of food stuffs
were miraculously multiplied. One example is 1Kgs 17:8-16 where a tiny bit
of flour and oil nourished Elijah and a widow woman, and her son, for a good
many days during a time of prolonged drought.

Another incident is at 2Kgs 4:1-7 where a certain widow's husband died and
left her deeply in debt. God multiplied her last pot of oil sufficiently to sell
enough to pay off her debts, thereby saving her two sons from slavery.

At 1Kgs 19:5-9, when Elijah was running away from that horrible Jezebel, he
was fatigued and napping under a bush when a messenger of God woke him
up to eat a single biscuit and drink some water. Elijah survived on the
nourishment of that measly little snack for the next forty days.

I'm not insisting that God sustained everyone aboard the ark like He did
Elijah and the widows. But in the light of those Bible examples, it isn't
unreasonable to believe that's exactly what happened. Many details remain a
mystery and apparently God didn't feel it was important for everybody to
know how He and Noah did it. Well . . that's His decision and I respect it;
but I still wish Genesis told us more.

Another logistics problem was feeding everybody when the Flood was over.
What would they eat then? Well, that was no problem. The fresh-cut olive
leaf that a dove had in her beak at Gen 8:10-11 indicates that earth's flora
was spared mass extinction by the Flood-- not all that difficult to believe.
Take for example the natural grasses of America's great plains prior to White
men plowing them up for farms. Those grasses had roots as deep as four
feet, some even to eleven feet; and no matter how many times, nor how
often, prairie fires burned off those grasses; they came right back. Even
without the assistance of miracles; nature is pretty tough; much tougher
than some folks give it credit.

Skeptics are fond of pointing out that olive trees cannot survive total
immersion for a whole year. But there again is yet another example of how
skeptics neglect to factor God into their thinking; in other words: skeptics
are miracle-challenged. But they are also inspiration-challenged; viz: they
stubbornly, and resolutely, refuse to believe that somebody recorded the
Flood event just as it happened because God wanted them to.


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Greetings; and welcome to Noah's Justice 101

†. Gen 9:4-6 . . Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will
require it. And from every man, from every man's brother I will require the
life of man. Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for
in the image of God He made man.

Biologically, humans are little different than other mammals on the animal
planet. The thing that makes human life more valuable than other forms of
life is man's deified status. In other words: if it's a crime to kill God, then it
has to be a crime to kill someone made in His image and likeness-- whether
actual or conferred makes no difference; viz: it's the status that counts.

However; prior to the Flood, men were at liberty to go on safari and hunt
each other like human wildlife because God had not yet enacted any laws
granting humanity protected species status. Capital punishment then, was
unheard of, and unthinkable, prior to the Flood because it is an axiom that
Biblical law isn't retroactive; viz: it can't be enforced until after it is enacted;
which is precisely why God couldn't prosecute Cain for murder. (Rom 4:15,
Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17)

Was Jesus pro death penalty for murder? Yes, absolutely. It was his life's
passion to uphold the law of the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon
with God as per Deut 29:9-15.

†. Matt 5:17-19 . . Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the
Prophets. I tell you the truth: until heaven and earth disappear, not the
smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear
from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of
the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be
called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches
these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Below is the language and grammar of the rules and regulations with whi
Jesus, by reason of his birth and his ritual circumcision, was obligated to
comply.

†. Ex 21:12-14 . . He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put
to death. But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his
hand, then I will appoint you a place to which he may flee. If, however, a
man acts presumptuously toward his neighbor, so as to kill him craftily, you
are to take him even from My altar, that he may die.

†. Lev 24:17 . . If a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely
be put to death.

†. Lev 24:21 . . The one who kills an animal shall make it good; but the one
who kills a man shall be put to death.

†. Num 35:31 . .You shall not take ransom for the life of a murderer who is
guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death.

Had Jesus opposed those rules and regulations; he would've brought down
an instant curse upon himself.

†. Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this
law by carrying them out.

Though Gentiles per se, are not required to comply with Israel's covenant,
they are required to comply with Noah's because Noah's Justice 101 has
never been repealed; ergo: capital punishment for murder remains God's
will to this very day; especially for Christians.

†. Rom 13:1-5 . . Let everyone be in subjection to the governing authorities.
For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are
established by God. Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the
ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation
upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but
for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you
will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good.
But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for
nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the
one who practices evil.

According to that passage; Christians who oppose capital punishment for
murderers are actually hypocrites in open rebellion against the wishes of the
very God whom they profess to worship, serve, and obey.



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