Normal Jews are Turning on Zionist Jews

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Jack

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Instead of taking jabs at someone why don’t you explain why the person is wrong?

Tell me what Jesus really meant when he said “Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.”

Can you give you’re take on why that doesn’t really say what it says?
I'll let Jesus explain to you.

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Israel is HOME to stay!
 

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I'll let Jesus explain to you.

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Israel is HOME to stay!
I’m not asking you about Amos 9, I’m asking you about Matthew 10:23.

You act as if Matthew 10:23 contradicts Amos 9. Is that your argument?

Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
 

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I’m not asking you about Amos 9, I’m asking you about Matthew 10:23.

You act as if Matthew 10:23 contradicts Amos 9. Is that your argument?

Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
No contradiction whatsoever!
 

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No contradiction whatsoever!
I’m glad you don’t see it as a contradiction because it’s not. Now explain how you’re using Amos to support what Jesus said in Matthew 19:23.

Jesus is saying that he would return before the 12 disciples had time to go to all the cities of Israel. How does Amos 9 back up what Jesus said there?

Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
 

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I’m glad you don’t see it as a contradiction because it’s not. Now explain how you’re using Amos to support what Jesus said in Matthew 19:23.

Jesus is saying that he would return before the 12 disciples had time to go to all the cities of Israel. How does Amos 9 back up what Jesus said there?

Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Jesus will return to Israel, just like He left. Why does that upset you?
 

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You’re mistaken there. Jesus cursed earthly Jews and cast them away because they were evil.

Jesus fights for his spiritual Jews just like he always has done. He liberated the spiritual Jews like Paul and Peter from the wicked earthly Jews that you support.

Why do you support the people that God hated and that hate God and his son Jesus?
Post the scripture that says exactly that what you claim there.
 

Jack

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You’re mistaken there. Jesus cursed earthly Jews and cast them away because they were evil.
Your HATRED for Jews is quite clear! Hatred is a huge SIN!

John 11:45
45 Then many of the Jews who had come to Mary, and had seen the things Jesus did, believed in Him.
 

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Jesus will return to Israel, just like He left. Why does that upset you?
I’m not upset. I’m trying to understand how your using Amos 9 to prove that Jesus didn’t mean what he said he in Matthew?
 

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I’m not upset. I’m trying to understand how your using Amos 9 to prove that Jesus didn’t mean what he said he in Matthew?
Jesus is THE JEW. You're accusing the Bible of contradiction, not me! He will return to the Land of the Bible where He left. Have you read Acts?
 

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Jesus is THE JEW. You're accusing the Bible of contradiction, not me! He will return to the Land of the Bible where He left. Have you read Acts?
If you can’t present an argument to support your case against why the words in Matthew don’t mean what they actually say, then why should we continue back and forth.

Debating is when one person says something and the other person expounds on the same scripture to prove his side.

You haven’t done that yet.
 

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If you can’t present an argument to support your case against why the words in Matthew don’t mean what they actually say, then why should we continue back and forth.

Debating is when one person says something and the other person expounds on the same scripture to prove his side.

You haven’t done that yet.
Sit back and watch God fight for Israel, if you can.

Oh that's right, He's already fighting for Israel. Read the news! Israel is in the news every day. The ONLY time you hear about the Israel wannabees is when they toot their own horns!
 

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Sit back and watch God fight for Israel, if you can.

Oh that's right, He's already fighting for Israel. Read the news!
He’s always fought for Israel, spiritual Israel like King David, Elijah, Gideon, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and all the people that love Jesus and keep his covenant.

You do realize that it was God fighting for Israel when he set the spiritual Jews free from the wicked Jews that you want so badly to be back on power.
 

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I'll let Jesus explain to you.

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Israel is HOME to stay!
You're trying to reason with the christian identity movement here.

They,like the sodomites who claim to be in Christ,have their own bibles.
 

IndianaRob

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You're trying to reason with the christian identity movement here.

They,like the sodomites who claim to be in Christ,have their own bibles.
You guys are heaping up judgement on your own heads. You support the enemies of the gospel and call anybody trying to help you an antisemite.
 

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For Christians here so you know where the Christian Identity members get their twisted scriptures from.
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Just like the Sodomite factions who claim to be xtian. Their bible.
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Both were rewritten by their own fallen respective leadership.
 

IndianaRob

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For Christians here so you know where the Christian Identity members get their twisted scriptures from.
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Just like the Sodomite factions who claim to be xtian. Their bible.
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Both were rewritten by their own fallen respective leadership.
Who here is a Christian identity follower?
 

Jack

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He’s always fought for Israel, spiritual Israel like King David, Elijah, Gideon, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and all the people that love Jesus and keep his covenant.

You do realize that it was God fighting for Israel when he set the spiritual Jews free from the wicked Jews that you want so badly to be back on power.
"Spiritual Israel", "spiritual Jews"? Why are you making this stuff? You ain't Israel!
 
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