Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy

[MatthewG]

The Ends times started with Peter, announcing it.


So please stop trying to manipulate people if you just wanna tell me hey matthew you are wrong thats fine, but Im not gonna stop sharing what is true.

 

[Douggg]

Israel is nothing special today.

What does your bible say for Ezekiel 38:8 ?

 

[MatthewG]

Im not gonna answer you about what the bible says.

Peter states the end of times was among them in that day in age.

That's that, Israel was never a nation back then in the way 1948 has made it...


The people were that nation the 12 tribes REGARDLESS if they split up.

They still came to the temple to sacrifce all 12 did. Some didnt give any 2 cents and probably didnt show up but there was those that did.

 

[MatthewG]

This is what happens when people do not think, nor consider how human beings are... in the first place.


I mean Abraham was promised a nation, and he got that nation, the 12 tribes. They no longer exist today.

So points concering oh Israel today! Israel today! are all moot.

Paul stated not all of "ISrael" was israel--- he wasnt saying that they aren't part of that nation but there was people that did not have faith, and they thought they were Isral by merit of being of Abraham and his loins.

 

[Behold]

I mean Abraham was promised a nation, and he got that nation, the 12 tribes. They no longer exist today.

This does exist today.

In fact the 144,000 JEWS that you read about in the REV... (The Trib) .....come from the 12 Tribes.

 

[Douggg]

Im not gonna answer you about what the bible says.

I was asking you what your bible says for the specific verse 38:8. What does your bible say for Ezekiel 38:8 ?

 

[MatthewG]

No. I dont gotta give in to you man.

I dont want to.

I want people to understand. I am not a future seeing Jesus coming guy.

Im done explaining to you the reasons of what I done shared.

 

[HealthyShape]

Why not ? Israel being a nation again, the Jews coming back to the land from places around the world, is part of the Ezekiel 38:8 prophecy for the latter years - end times.

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

What does your bible say for Ezekiel 38:8 ?

It seems that the Hebrew text is so ambiguous that it can be translated in various different ways.

Berean Standard Bible
After a long time you will be summoned. In the latter years you will enter a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and all now dwell securely.

New International Version
After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.

Contemporary English Version
because in a few years, I will command you to invade Israel, a country that was ruined by war. It was deserted for a long time, but its people have returned from the foreign nations where they once lived. The Israelites now live in peace in the mountains of their own land.

Or, for example, Peshitta:

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
From the first days you were commanded, and in the end of years you shall come on the mountains of Israel, and upon the land that is at peace from the sword and gathered from many nations, and all of them dwell in it in quietness

 

[bdavidc]

I believe its apparent for most on the board I am not.

Jesus walked around and reading those Gospels he talked to the Jews.
Paul wrote to saints.

there is no saints today.

Not gonna change - some call it pride.

Im thankful that the end-times are over with and that the only end time that remains is death.

When ever that is -- who knows. Its important to walk in teh resurrected Lord Jesus, and love faithfully walking by his spirit.

You are always trying to rewrite God’s Word and then call it faith. The Bible is not clay for us to mold. It is rock for us to stand on. Jesus did not leave His coming back up for debate. He said, “Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory” (Mark 13:26). This is not symbolic talk. It is a promise from the mouth of the King Himself.

And what about, “no saints today”? Come on now. Paul wrote to “the saints who are in Ephesus and faithful in Christ Jesus” (Ephesians 1:1). If you are saved, you are set apart. The word hagios, translated as saints, means “holy ones” not because we are perfect, but because we belong to Him. Every true believer is in that category.

The Bible tells us that “in the last days scoffers will come, saying, ‘Where is the promise of His coming?’” (2 Peter 3:3–4). I would not have been surprised to see your name written right beside that verse. The enemy loves it when people stop looking for Christ’s return, because a church that stops expecting Jesus stops living like He could come back at any moment.

Walk in the Spirit, absolutely. But do not bend the Word to your feelings. Let the Word shape your walk. Jesus is coming again, not as a symbol, not as an idea, but as the risen, reigning, returning Lord. You can rewrite your opinion, but you cannot rewrite His truth.

 

[bdavidc]

Those are people who want you to break to their will. They are bullies.

See, that’s the thing, we’re not trying to break anyone’s will, we’re trying to reach your soul. There’s a big difference. If all we wanted was control, we’d stay quiet and let everyone believe what they want. But love won’t do that. Love warns. Love speaks up when the bridge is out ahead.

Jesus didn’t die so we could all have different “truths.” He said, “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32). That’s why we preach repentance, why we talk about judgment, why we keep pointing people back to the cross, because without the real truth, there’s no real freedom.

So when we speak boldly, it’s not bullying, it’s burden. We care enough to say what’s unpopular. Paul said, “We persuade men” (2 Corinthians 5:11) because eternity’s on the line. That’s not hate, that’s love in action.

We don’t want to break you; we want to see you saved.

 

[MatthewG]

I dont believe anything Bdavidc, says.
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I believe and have faith in the resurrected Lord Yeshua, and believe he lives in me and helps me in my life.


Regardless what other people say.

Im hoping to be saved to the Kingdom of God when I die but God dont want me there im okay with that too.

 

[bdavidc]

I dont believe anything Bdavidc, says.
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I believe and have faith in the resurrected Lord Yeshua, and believe he lives in me and helps me in my life.


Regardless what other people say.

Im hoping to be saved to the Kingdom of God when I die but God dont want me there im okay with that too.

You don’t have to believe anything I say, but you must believe what the bible says. That’s your decision, to deny what is said from Scripture does not make it not to be true. You can claim to believe in the resurrected Lord Yeshua, but the question is, do you believe what He actually said? “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46).

Faith in Christ is more than the emotional belief that He “helps” us with in life. Faith is surrender to His truth. If you really believe He lives in you, then His Word is the authority, not your opinion. “He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked” (1 John 2:6).

And on that last point, no person who knows Christ should ever say, “If God doesn’t want me in His kingdom, I’m okay with that.” That is not humility, that is hopelessness. God wants you saved; that’s why He sent His Son. “God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9).

So no, you should not be “okay” with being lost. Jesus died so that you don’t have to be. The door is open, but you must come through it His way, not yours. “I am the door; if anyone enters by Me, he will be saved” (John 10:9). Do it before your heart gets too hard and there is no turning back.

 

[MatthewG]

I believe Jesus already came already.

It's a problem for some. Especially when they don't use the proper way to use the bible.

That's not my own fault.

I encourage people never believe anything I say. Go test all things for yourself


Hold on to what is good isnt that what they were written?

I still think it has application today.


However, not everything in that bible pertains directly to you. And no one is allowed to "lord over how a person puts their faith in practice"


Just remember if you are making propechies of Jesus coming back again today, think...


Am I giving false hope to someone?


So keep quoting the scriptures and acting like you know them --- I hope you know them by their application and purpose and remember they are not written directly to you for you to witness the things which are mentioend to those people.


So many people forget the people in the bible are real people and they start to use the bible in knife form.



They say - scripture scripture - I use to cut the necks of my enemies who go against the - scripture scripture -


That stuff makes no sense, its all flesh, and I don't like knives personally nor am I a knife thrower.


I just make some points with the bible.

 

[MatthewG]

I have no worry about anyone and their concern, their judgements, or their misapplcation in trying to make me feel some type away.

Walk in the power of the resurrected Lord Yeshua, you don't gotta worry bout what people think you.

Be it they look at you crazy. Or it sounds crazy to them. Or it sounds reasonable.


I am my own individaul and know my self well for a 34 year old man. There are internet bullies out there in the world, there are also gaslighters, and people who have to hold their self a certain way to not lose their credibilitiy.


I could care less, Jesus himself made himself of no reputation. So. Let him reign, let him cook.

 

[Douggg]

It seems that the Hebrew text is so ambiguous that it can be translated in various different ways.

Berean Standard Bible
After a long time you will be summoned. In the latter years you will enter a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and all now dwell securely.

New International Version
After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.

Contemporary English Version
because in a few years, I will command you to invade Israel, a country that was ruined by war. It was deserted for a long time, but its people have returned from the foreign nations where they once lived. The Israelites now live in peace in the mountains of their own land.

Or, for example, Peshitta:

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
From the first days you were commanded, and in the end of years you shall come on the mountains of Israel, and upon the land that is at peace from the sword and gathered from many nations, and all of them dwell in it in quietness

All of those translation have when... in the latter years.... and Israel's people gathered out of many nations. Describes the current Israel, which many Muslims nations seek to destroy.

 

[Douggg]

I believe Jesus already came already.

Your general view is that of being a Preterist

 

[MatthewG]

I don't know everything they believe.

All I know is I believe Jesus did come back in the past. Yes.

 

[MatthewG]

The Material Israel today, has nothing to do with the Israel you read about in the Bible.

Be careful of people trying to trick you out there!

 

[MatthewG]

Im pretty sure its founded in Romans 9, concerning "Not all of Israel is Israel is founded"

Romans 9 is a very popular chapter that is used concerning people saying God is still mad and angry and hates.

That whole I believe Romans 9-10 maybe even 11 - is all concerning Israel and where they stood concering God because they messed up when they killed Jesus.

Israel - was going to be destroyed... and it was on April 14, 70Ad, all the way though to about 137ad, it was utterly destomated and torn apart.

Thats why I don't believe 1948 Israel has anything to do with today or the bible itself at all.

People saying it's the promise land, don't even realize the whole territory was desmoated.

They don't even realize what they are seeking for is a heavenly home... Jesus said his kingdom was not of this earth.

Yet people are expect to reign with Jesus for 1,000 years on earth or something.... It's just not true.

 

[Douggg]

The Material Israel today, has nothing to do with the Israel you read about in the Bible.

What do you mean by "Material" Israel ?