Nu 23:23- Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, neither is there any divination against Israel:

[shepherdsword]

How does God see us?
The children of Israel were a rebellious and idolatrous lot. They murmured and complained at every test. They failed to believe God's promises. They challenged his authority. They complained about his provision. They worshipped the golden calf in fornication filled orgies. They provoked him to almost destroy them. However, what was his response when the enemy tried to curse them. What was his response? How did he see them when Balak tempted Balaam to curse them?

Let's look:

The first time Balaam tried to curse Israel:
Nu 23:8-10
How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the Lord hath not defied? For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations. Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his!

The second time:

Nu 23:21-24
He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the Lord his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them. God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn. Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, neither is there any divination against Israel: according to this time it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, What hath God wrought! Behold, the people shall rise up as a great lion, and lift up himself as a young lion: he shall not lie down until he eat of the prey, and drink the blood of the slain.

The third time:

Nu 24:5-9
How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, and thy tabernacles, O Israel! As the valleys are they spread forth, as gardens by the river's side, as the trees of lign aloes which the Lord hath planted, and as cedar trees beside the waters. He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted. God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows. He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.


"He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel?" What? After all of their rebellion and idolatry he stills sees no perverseness? He does not look upon their grievous sin? Their constant murmuring and complaining? Wow? Is this not a "positional" aspect of righteousness? Is it not an unmerited forgiveness of iniquity? If Gid saw Israel in such a way...how do you think Jesus sees the church? How do you think he sees you?

 

[shepherdsword]

Perhaps like this?

Ps 45:13-15
The royal daughter is all glorious within the palace;
Her clothing is woven with gold. She shall be brought to the King in robes of many colors;
The virgins, her companions who follow her, shall be brought to You. With gladness and rejoicing they shall be brought;
They shall enter the King's palace.

 

[Brakelite]

Like this...
“20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. 22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. 23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. 24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images. 25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee. 26 There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil. 27 I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee. 28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee. 29 I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee. 30 By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land. 31 And I will set thy bounds from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee. 32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods. 33 They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me: for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee. ”
Exodus 23:20-33 KJV

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The promise is for complete victory over all our enemies, (consider the promises to Joshua) but that victory is conditional on obedience and faithfulness. God is a God of love, faithfulness and mercy. He gave His only Son to the human race as testimony of a love we underestimate. God did not change His promises from the time of Moses to Joshua, but they could only be realised by those who actually believed them.

 

[Muna]

How does God see us?
The children of Israel were a rebellious and idolatrous lot. They murmured and complained at every test. They failed to believe God's promises. They challenged his authority. They complained about his provision. They worshipped the golden calf in fornication filled orgies. They provoked him to almost destroy them. However, what was his response when the enemy tried to curse them. What was his response? How did he see them when Balak tempted Balaam to curse them?

Let's look:

The first time Balaam tried to curse Israel:
Nu 23:8-10
How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the Lord hath not defied? For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations. Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his!

The second time:

Nu 23:21-24
He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the Lord his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them. God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn. Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, neither is there any divination against Israel: according to this time it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, What hath God wrought! Behold, the people shall rise up as a great lion, and lift up himself as a young lion: he shall not lie down until he eat of the prey, and drink the blood of the slain.

The third time:

Nu 24:5-9
How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, and thy tabernacles, O Israel! As the valleys are they spread forth, as gardens by the river's side, as the trees of lign aloes which the Lord hath planted, and as cedar trees beside the waters. He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted. God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows. He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.


"He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel?" What? After all of their rebellion and idolatry he stills sees no perverseness? He does not look upon their grievous sin? Their constant murmuring and complaining? Wow? Is this not a "positional" aspect of righteousness? Is it not an unmerited forgiveness of iniquity? If Gid saw Israel in such a way...how do you think Jesus sees the church? How do you think he sees you?

Paul says these things were our examples also

1Cor.10​

[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
[5] But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
[6] Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
[7] Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
[8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
[9] Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
[10] Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
[12] Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
[13] There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
[14] Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

 

[shepherdsword]

Paul says these things were our examples also

1Cor.10​

[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
[5] But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
[6] Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
[7] Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
[8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
[9] Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
[10] Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
[12] Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
[13] There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
[14] Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

Although what you say is true (and is our common experience) I am focusing on how God sees us in spite of our present circumstances.

 

[soberxp]

Balaam is Gid?

Did Gid what you write God?

You may have forgotten that Balaam was asked to curse Israel.

 

[shepherdsword]

Balaam is Gid?

Did Gid what you write God?

You may have forgotten that Balaam was asked to curse Israel.

No, I didn't forget. I am showing how God viewed Israel when Balaam was asked to curse them. So it is with us when the enemy rises up and accuses us.

 

[soberxp]

No, I didn't forget. I am showing how God viewed Israel when Balaam was asked to curse them. So it is with us when the enemy rises up and accuses us.

When Balaam was commanded three times to bless the Israelites, the content of his blessings itself seems contained no hidden curses; yet his actions were still regarded by God as not fully obeying the commandments.

Perhaps Balaam had cursed Israel in his heart, and God was looking at what was inside.

 

[shepherdsword]

When Balaam was commanded three times to bless the Israelites, the content of his blessings itself seems contained no hidden curses; yet his actions were still regarded by God as not fully obeying the commandments.

Perhaps Balaam had cursed Israel in his heart, and God was looking at what was inside.

Focus on how God saw Israel. Despite their disobedience, unbelief and idolatry He said: "He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel"

 

[soberxp]

Focus on how God saw Israel. Despite their disobedience, unbelief and idolatry He said: "He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel"

So you think this statement is still a curse, though it may seem like a blessing. Yet what exactly is a curse, and what is a blessing?

If God had shown Balaam the future of Israel, but Balaam did not describe it in full—let us set aside the assumption that Balaam was a wicked one who intentionally cursed Israel for now. He himself did not fully understand what truly counted as blessing Israel. He saw what you referred to as Israel’s disobedience, unbelief, and idolatry.

But God commanded him to bless Israel. So instead of speaking of the things he had seen, he used prayer-like words to pronounce a blessing. Yet if the future were to be altered because of this, would that in turn be another form of curse for Israel?

To be honest, after reading the Bible, Balaam is the one person I find most difficult to define.

 

[Muna]

Although what you say is true (and is our common experience) I am focusing on how God sees us in spite of our present circumstances.

Well scrub 1 Corinth, that might not work here

 

[soberxp]

Well scrub 1 Corinth, that might not work here

What's the point About 1 corinth

 

[Muna]

What's the point About 1 corinth

The OP mentions murmuring and idolatry and they are also mentioned in 1 Corinth, and Paul specifically says these were ensamples written for us there.