Nope. Not without the Spirit. The Spirit is needed in conjunction with the Bible itself.
Of what value is the fulfillment of OT prophecy? - since the prophecies were acquired rather than intended
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Nope. Not without the Spirit. The Spirit is needed in conjunction with the Bible itself.
Good post, thanks.
But can we really claim fulfilled prophecy from ECHOING scripture?
Fulfilled prophecy infers that the OT prophetic passage was intentional, not just acquired by a NT writer.
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Lambano
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Lambano
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We can claim anything we want. Here, hold my beer and watch this!
No message is found, when it's not by the Spirit though.
So you say you can just use the bible, without the Spirit basically.
Sure you can, but it's not worth much.
Some people just believe you flip the book pick a verse and that is all you need sometimes... idk about that either, I wouldn't buy that.
I don't buy what preachers pass around at the pulpit half the time...
I don't buy the threads message in what it states either...
I mean, if a person only believes some things about the bible, why not the whole?
The Spirit helps us make sense of things, which are shared, and allows connections between old testament and the apostolic record.
Lambano
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Some will claim that “inspiration” implies dictation. Thus, any later inspired associations were intentional. Even if the interpreter pulled them out of his rectal cavity.
Lambano
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The Spirit does what the Spirit does; we do what we do.
I’ve seen too many people assume they can tell which is which.
One thing is for sure, it goes where it wants, and no one can capture it.
John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.
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And this too though,
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.
I dont believe in the whole casting out demons and stuff anymore though, I think the holy spirit kind of changed, into the Spirit of Christ we live by today.
Call it holy spirit 2.0, which causes, love, peace, mercy, etc... (Galatians 5.)
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What I am saying is that...
The fulfillment of an OT prophecy should include:
- An OT scripture that says, In the future this will take place.
- A corresponding NT scripture that says, this took place to fulfill that OT scripture.
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I don't even like calling the New Testament the New Testament.
The term "New Testament" to describe the Christian scriptures was first used by the early Christian writer Tertullian in the late 2nd century. He used the term to distinguish these writings from the earlier scriptures, which Christians then called the "Old Testament". The term "New Testament" is a translation of the Latin Novum Testamentum.
It's really the Apostolic Record, of what was to come forth from the Old Testament prophecy... like Malachi, and the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
Then you have the Apostlic Record, which Jesus says John the Baptist was Elijah to come. Which was spoken about in the Old Testament.
But I guess people don't know these things, if they don't actually read the bible in the first place instead just question it.
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