"Once Save Always Saved" is Unorthodox Doctrine

[Zao is life]

So the thread on it has been moved to the Unorthodox Doctrine forum:

(Just in case anyone is looking for it)

Once Save Always Saved / Eternal Security is in the Word, i.e in Christ

One must understand from the heart/ spirit, what being Born Again of imperishable seed means...you cannot read and understand the Living seed of God in the human intellect. The seed of God is His Living Holy Spirit....once Spirit gives birth to spirit...it can NEVER be undone...therefore as His...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Yeah, OSAS is definitely Unorthodox

Jesus and His Apostles did not teach it, the early church did not teach it.

This false doctrine got started when augustine came along who was a servant of satan

 

[mailmandan]

ALL false religions and cults that promote salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS which remains a major red flag for me.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

ALL false religions and cults that promote salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS which remains a major red flag for me.

No problem... live after the flesh and see where you spend eternity.

To hold to OSAS doctrine one must MOCK God and claim what we sow is not what we reap which is why so many OSAS adherents are involved in sinful behavior

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God. So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

Apparently so folk have to learn the hard way when all they had to do is accept the whole counsel of God.

I used to go to a church that started teaching the OSAS heresy and can testify first hand that these people are some of the most hate filled "christians" around. Well, next to the calvinists and the catholics.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No problem... live after the flesh and see where you spend eternity.

To hold to OSAS doctrine one must MOCK God and claim what we sow is not what we reap which is why so many OSAS adherents are involved in sinful behavior

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God. So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

Apparently so folk have to learn the hard way when all they had to do is accept the whole counsel of God.

I used to go to a church that started teaching the OSAS heresy and can testify first hand that these people are some of the most hate filled "christians" around. Well, next to the calvinists and the catholics.

Look inward. If anyone is living in the flesh it’s the NOSAS people like you who look to self and not God as a means of atonement

 

[mailmandan]

No problem... live after the flesh and see where you spend eternity.

To hold to OSAS doctrine one must MOCK God and claim what we sow is not what we reap which is why so many OSAS adherents are involved in sinful behavior

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God. So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

Apparently so folk have to learn the hard way when all they had to do is accept the whole counsel of God.

I used to go to a church that started teaching the OSAS heresy and can testify first hand that these people are some of the most hate filled "christians" around. Well, next to the calvinists and the catholics.

YAWN. See post #519 from the link below:

OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

Yes I was attending a SDA Church for around 3 months, and their teaching is that Jesus came into existence when He was born. They say before that time, God never had a Son. As soon as I found out that they were teaching heresy I left The Quran says that of Allah as regards the Muslim denial...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Look inward. If anyone is living in the flesh it’s the NOSAS people like you who look to self and not God as a means of atonement

You're just like the democrats!

Lying about what others believe and ignorant of the Truth.

You've got a future in politics since deception is the name of the game!

YAWN. See post #519 from the link below:

I don't sit under heresy... but thank you for thinking of me!

 

[mailmandan]

I don't sit under heresy... but thank you for thinking of me!

Just as I thought. No rebuttal. Just more trolling.

 

[ScottA]

So the thread on it has been moved to the Unorthodox Doctrine forum:

(Just in case anyone is looking for it)

Once Save Always Saved / Eternal Security is in the Word, i.e in Christ

One must understand from the heart/ spirit, what being Born Again of imperishable seed means...you cannot read and understand the Living seed of God in the human intellect. The seed of God is His Living Holy Spirit....once Spirit gives birth to spirit...it can NEVER be undone...therefore as His...

www.christianityboard.com

I didn't go read all the link info---but yes, just as the narrow way is unorthodox to the many, so is the sure salvation of passing from death to life in Christ from which and to which no one can return.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Just more trolling.

That's your department along with spreading false OSAS doctrine.
That's a hilarious view point you have there... "those that disagree with me are dreaded trolls"

passing from death to life in Christ from which and to which no one can return.

See now Romans 8, among others, does not teach that it's impossible to fall away.

But, feel free to ignore the portions of God's Word that does not agree with your eisegesis

 

[mailmandan]

That's your department along with spreading false OSAS doctrine.
That's a hilarious view point you have there... "those that disagree with me are dreaded trolls" View attachment 48334

See now Romans 8, among others, does not teach that it's impossible to fall away.

But, feel free to ignore the portions of God's Word that does not agree with your eisegesis

Still no rebuttal and more trolling. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a troll, but you certainly have all the characteristics of a childish troll.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're just like the democrats!

Lying about what others believe and ignorant of the Truth.

You've got a future in politics since deception is the name of the game!

Na, I am like MAGA, I share the truth, whikle liberals like you expose the lies you believe yourself.

I don't sit under heresy... but thank you for thinking of me!

Actually you do. But maybe your blind to it. Like so many legalists, you think you are holy because you can not see your own sin, You just push it away, ignore it, or pretend its not there. While pumping your chest praising God your not like the sinner.

We can see right through you.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's your department along with spreading false OSAS doctrine.
That's a hilarious view point you have there... "those that disagree with me are dreaded trolls" View attachment 48334





See now Romans 8, among others, does not teach that it's impossible to fall away.

But, feel free to ignore the portions of God's Word that does not agree with your eisegesis

Noah, We just call a troll a troll.

All you have done sine you have been here is attack attack attack anyone who does not agree with you.

Romans 8 does not support you in the lightest..

But hey, You are not confident like paul is that God who started a good work in you will complete it.. so why should we listen to anything you say?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Still no rebuttal and more trolling. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a troll, but you certainly have all the characteristics of a childish troll.

He has not even been here long. and we see right through him (or is he someone who returned under a different name?)

 

[ScottA]

See now Romans 8, among others, does not teach that it's impossible to fall away.

This is how you speak of God?

Paul did not, but you, you are on dangerous ground.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Still no rebuttal and more trolling. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a troll, but you certainly have all the characteristics of a childish troll.

Nobody expects those that only accept bits and pieces of God's Word to get it as they are the actual trolls who are trolling the Lord.

This is how you speak of God?

Paul did not, but you, you are on dangerous ground.

Reject the warnings the Lord issued thru Paul at your own peril:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

 

[ScottA]

Reject the warnings the Lord issued thru Paul at your own peril:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

You didn't answer the question.

Repeating your doctrinal beliefs only makes it worse.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Repeating your doctrinal beliefs only makes it worse.

That's what satan says to those that put God's Word before what the darkened wisdom of man teaches.

 

[ScottA]

That's what satan says to those that put God's Word before what the darkened wisdom of man teaches.

No, and obviously you aren't able to quote Satan saying that.

But, to the contrary, your repeating your doctrinal beliefs as a defense, is very much like the definition of insanity...and I would be happy to quote it for you if this is news to you.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Yeah, OSAS is definitely Unorthodox

Jesus and His Apostles did not teach it, the early church did not teach it.

This false doctrine got started when augustine came along who was a servant of satan

Read Jesus' discussions with the crowds in John 6, 8, and 10. He believes in OSAS rightly understood; so do I.