Only one gospel???

[RichardBurger]

Only one gospel???

For those that believe there has never been but one gospel I offer the following proof that one existed and has now been replaced by the new (grace).

Galatians 3:22-25
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
NKJV

So then when did faith come? Was it before Christ’s work on the cross and has it always existed? Looks to me like it was after Christ.

Romans 11:19-20
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
NKJV

Faith was not in effect as long as there was a chance that the Apostles could persuade The Jews to accept Jesus as their Messiah.

Luke 13:6-9 (The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree)
6 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'
8 But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.
9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'"
NKJV

The fig tree represents the nation of Israel. The three years are the years Jesus preached the “Kingdom at Hand” gospel. The keeper of the vineyard are the Apostles. The Apostles had about 40 years to convince the Jews that Jesus was their Messiah. We know that they couldn’t do it so God destroyed the Temple and turned away from the Jews and YES the gospel changed. The old passed away and was replaced by the gospel of Grace.

All that was written "to the Jews" in the O.T. and the N.T. was written "to the Jews," not to the Gentiles. Is it necessary for us to understand them? YES. If we don't then we are missing the foundation for understanding who Jesus is and the shift to the gospel of God's grace. The message of salvation by God's grace, "alone," given to Paul, was without precedence. It was not in the Jewish relationship with God. The Jewish relationship was a religious one of "faith + works to show that faith" (James 2:24). However, the gospel of God's grace requires no works whatsoever. God has done all the works that are necessary on the cross. As Paul said;

Rom 4:5-6 (NKJ)
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

Only Paul penned the words "in Christ" for he understood that God places those that believe in Him "in Christ" by the operation of the Holy Spirit (new birth). Man cannot accomplish this new birth. This idea of being "in Christ" was totally new. Up to this time it was all in a religious relationship of works, rituals and ceremonies.

 

[ronmorgen]

Those that knew God in the OT (Abraham, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc) were following Christ although they lacked the details of the gospel. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

Matthew 13:17

They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:3-4

 

[RichardBurger]

Those that knew God in the OT (Abraham, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc) were following Christ although they lacked the details of the gospel. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

Matthew 13:17

They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:3-4

You said; "For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it"

Thanks for your help in proving my point.

 

[RichardBurger]

The Bible does not teach the "one gospel" theory, only theologians teach it. The Bible does not use the phrase "one gospel." only theologians use it. The Bible does not teach that God has revealed the same gospel message for all the dispensations of time. Rather, it is just the reverse. God has revealed different messages of "good news" to mankind during certain periods of time, as He has willed. These messages are not to be mixed up or to be constituted as parts of one gospel. They were taken at face value at the time they were revealed.

The Scofield note on page 1343 could have been made much clearer and easier to understand. It is too general in its language. But it still reflects the teaching that there is only one gospel, one way of salvation, and that it is by grace through faith in all dispensations. Those who believe this way really preach a homogenized gospel that is made up of some truth from the Kingdom of Heaven Gospel and some truth from the Grace Gospel of the Apostle Paul. This mixing of two gospels also leaves out some vital truth related to each gospel. This is not good Bible teaching.

As to the doctrine of justification by faith, it sounds right but further examination proves that the conclusion is false. First, the doctrine of justification by faith is NOT the gospel message. Faith is a RESULT of the gospel or good news being believed by the individual as it is revealed by God. Justification is one of the works of God that takes place at the time of salvation. We don't tell people to be justified; we tell them that they must be saved. Second, faith is taking God at His Word, by believing what God has said. In the case of Abraham, Paul went back to Genesis 15:5-6, which says: "And He brought him forth abroad and said, Look now toward heaven and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and He said unto him, So shall thy seed be. [6] And he believed in the LORD; and He counted it to him for righteousness." Verse 6 is unique because three words - "believed" "righteousness," and "counted" - are used here for the first time in the Old Testament. Abram believed (exercised faith) in what God told him, which is the contents of verse 5. Verse 5 does not contain the Gospel of the grace of God nor does it contain the Gospel of the Kingdom. Verse 5 is related to the Abrahamic Covenant which Paul called in Gal. 3:8, "the gospel unto Abraham."

In Galatians 1:6 there is "another gospel," a HETEROS gospel which is a gospel of a different kind. The Gospel of the Kingdom is what the Judaizers preached to the Galatian believers, not a "false gospel" that Acts 2 people use to identify "another gospel." The Gospel of the Kingdom is a gospel of a different kind.

In Galatians 1:7 you have "the gospel of Christ," which is another name for the Gospel of the grace of God; and in Gal. 3:8 the "gospel preached unto Abraham" is what Jehovah God told him in Genesis 12:3; 15:5-6. Besides these three gospels in Galatians, there is "the Everlasting Gospel" of Rev. 14:6.

So there are at least four Gospels that are clearly mentioned in the Bible. It doesn't take a whole lot of study to see that they are different from one another. But it does take a lot of human ingenuity to make them all the same.

The theory of "one gospel" needs to be seen as a major problem because so much hinges on it. Are we saved today by the gospel revealed to Paul, or, are we saved by the Gospel preached by Peter? We can't be saved by both of them together. The Gospel of the Kingdom will make you religious today, but the Gospel of the grace of God alone will prepare you for heaven in God's spiritual realm of the Fourth Dimension.

 

[ronmorgen]

You said, "Faith is a RESULT of the gospel or good news being believed by the individual"

So what causes the original faith? It is when the love of God is revealed to you after you have repented of your sin and received His forgiveness. The OT prophets and patriarchs did that so they had faith. They did not know the details as well as we do, but we are not saved by intellectual knowledge, we are saved by love. God's love.. But you must believe he loves you so you will follow him. And you must follow him to the end, through all the discipline and trials he provides for your purification, for without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

 

[rockytopva]

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. - Galatians 1:8

And then Paul repeats himself...

As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. - Galatians 1:9

What happens to the accursed?

[sup]5[/sup]Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

[sup]6[/sup]For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

[sup]7[/sup]Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. - Jeremiah 17: 5,6,7




And where... And where pray tell did the Mormons end up? In Salt Lake City Utah! A parched place, in a salt land and not inhabited!

 

[ronmorgen]

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Peter 2:1

 

[veteran]

Only one gospel???

For those that believe there has never been but one gospel I offer the following proof that one existed and has now been replaced by the new (grace).

Galatians 3:22-25
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
NKJV

So then when did faith come? Was it before Christ’s work on the cross and has it always existed? Looks to me like it was after Christ.

And just how does that part of Paul's Message fit with what he taught about Abraham's Faith and our Faith? And how does that equate with what Christ said in John 8:56 that Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and was glad?

I can post Scripture from Paul all day that counters the direction you and those on the false double gospel theory try to take it...

Gal 4:22-26
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Abraham had two sons, Ishmael by a bondservant, and Isaac who was freeborn.


23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Ishmael was born after a fleshy covenant. But Isaac was born by the Promise by Faith which God gave to Abraham.


24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(KJV)

Old Covenant = bondage, Ishmael, Jerusalem today, those who REFUSE The Promise by Faith.

New Covenant = freeborn, Isaac, Jerusalem ABOVE in Heaven, for those who accept God's Salvation Promise through Christ Jesus.

The Promise by Faith God first gave to Abraham was long before the law. The Promise by Faith to Abraham is The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Abraham was allowed to SEE it, and rejoiced and was glad (John 8:56).

Romans 11:19-20
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
NKJV

Faith was not in effect as long as there was a chance that the Apostles could persuade The Jews to accept Jesus as their Messiah.

You didn't even TRY... to interpret that Rom.11 Scripture, but just threw out a completely disconnected idea!

That standing by faith idea APPLIES EQUALLY TO BELIEVING ISRAELITES TOO! Can't take a knife and cut out Paul's reference to 'faith' there and try to infer that's only about The Gospel going to the Gentiles after Christ's crucifixion, because that's not even the subject right there!

The subject is about Paul warning Gentile believers to not be high-minded because God saw fit to graff them into His Salvation first given to the natural branches of Israel; and that some of the natural branches were broken off. It was because of their having unbelief why Gentiles were allowed in. Then Paul tells the Gentiles to have fear, for they too will be broken off IF they go into unbelief also like some of Israel did!


Rom 11:21-22
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
(KJV)

Boy! That just dumps the OSAS idea in the garbage, doesn't it folks? Paul says that IF we Gentiles "continue in His goodness" then we will receive His goodness. But IF NOT, then the SAME FATE of unbelieving Israel, the broken off branches, would apply to us Gentiles too! That sure ain't some, "Don't worry brother, nothing you can do to lose your salvation now!" type OSAS message now is it? There's a whole lot of IF's in God's Word. I'm amazed at how many simply pass them over and read into Scripture what they 'want' to believe.

Luke 13:6-9 (The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree)
6 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'
8 But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.
9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'"
NKJV

The fig tree represents the nation of Israel. The three years are the years Jesus preached the “Kingdom at Hand” gospel. The keeper of the vineyard are the Apostles. The Apostles had about 40 years to convince the Jews that Jesus was their Messiah. We know that they couldn’t do it so God destroyed the Temple and turned away from the Jews and YES the gospel changed. The old passed away and was replaced by the gospel of Grace.

You don't even know who all the seed of Israel are.

Matt 15:24
24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(KJV)

Per OT Bible history, the label "house of Israel" ONLY referred to the ten tribes of Israel that were SEPARATED from the "house of Judah" that dwelt at Jerusalem. God scattered the ten tribed "house of Israel" out of the promised lands first, and they never returned as a people. Just where were those lost sheep? OUTSIDE THE HOLY LAND.

So just WHO was Christ Jesus speaking about with the barren fig tree? The UNBELIEVERS among the "house of Judah", those who began to call themselves JEWS after their Babylon captivity and remnant return to Jerusalem to build the 2nd temple! (see Books of Ezra and Nehemiah) And WHO ELSE returned with that small remnant of Judah to Jerusalem? FOREIGNERS who also took the name JEW (per Jewish historian Josephus).

The MAJORITY of the children of Israel were still captive OUTSIDE JUDEA at Christ's first coming! Where does one think the ten tribes, the majority of Israelites, were then? They were scattered AMONG THE GENTILES outside the middleast! This is all simple Bible history, and there's archaeological evidence to back it up. But the doctrines of men NEVER to come to an understanding about it. Many, many, many of those ten tribed Israelites believed The Gospel of Jesus Christ among the Gentiles. Jesus said it, He was not 'sent' BUT unto the lost sheep of the "house of Israel" (ten tribes of Israel). That means His Salvation would not be accepted by the majority of Jews at that time, but instead by the majority of the ten tribes that were scattered among the Gentiles!

Is there another way to prove that? Yes, for in Jeremiah 24 God reveals WHO the good basket of figs represent. They represent JUDAH in JERUSALEM, and not the scattered ten tribes who weren't even present at Christ's first coming.

But what Richard has no doubt been taught from men's doctrines, is that the house of Judah at Jerusalem, i.e., Jews, at Christ's first coming represents ALL ISRAEL IN UNBELIEF!!! That's simply a doctrine of men, and not God's Word. Richard does the very thing he's accusing others of.

All that was written "to the Jews" in the O.T. and the N.T. was written "to the Jews," not to the Gentiles. Is it necessary for us to understand them? YES. If we don't then we are missing the foundation for understanding who Jesus is and the shift to the gospel of God's grace. The message of salvation by God's grace, "alone," given to Paul, was without precedence. It was not in the Jewish relationship with God. The Jewish relationship was a religious one of "faith + works to show that faith" (James 2:24).

NO, all the O.T. and the N.T. was NOT written just to the Jews!

2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
(KJV)

And concerning God's Grace, you mean Abraham and Noah didn't find grace in God's sight, nor Moses, nor David, nor the prophets, etc.? What about Christ's Apostles besides Paul? What about Christ's disciples that believed along with His Apostles? Such ignorance to try and separate them from God's Salvation Plan, and that's exactly what the silly double gospel idea does.

But I will admit, there is "another gospel" per Paul. But it ain't the REAL Gospel of Jesus Christ.

However, the gospel of God's grace requires no works whatsoever. God has done all the works that are necessary on the cross. As Paul said;

Rom 4:5-6 (NKJ)
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

God's Grace involves Faith, first and foremost. But its proof is about having works to show that Faith approved! That's the difference. It's common sense too, because if a young lad that had been in an evil gang came to Christ Jesus and kept doing the evil works of that gang, and if the lad continues in that, he will be CUT OFF from Christ, suffering the same fate that the broken natural branches of unbelieving Israel suffered. There is NO agreement between Christ and the sons of Belial.

This is why the 'Once saved, always saved' (OSAS) doctrine is of the devil. It preaches that there IS agreement between Christ and the sons of Belial! That's what it means to preach a Christian won't be judged for turning to a lifestyle of sin after having believed on Christ Jesus.

Only Paul penned the words "in Christ" for he understood that God places those that believe in Him "in Christ" by the operation of the Holy Spirit (new birth). Man cannot accomplish this new birth. This idea of being "in Christ" was totally new. Up to this time it was all in a religious relationship of works, rituals and ceremonies.

No one here ever inferred the idea that we can control and manipulate The Holy Spirit. What's sad, is that you don't know how it is possible for Christ to remove The Holy Spirit from a believer that falls away to do the deeds of the sons of Belial.

Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"
23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
(KJV)

That's very straightforward from my Lord Jesus Christ. That "depart from Me" is the same thing as saying, "get away from Me". That's going to sound pretty strong to a believer who turns to follow the sons of Belial and think it doesn't matter since they first believed.

 

[RichardBurger]

Veteran said: "And just how does that part of Paul's Message fit with what he taught about Abraham's Faith and our Faith? And how does that equate with what Christ said in John 8:56 that Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and was glad?

In the scripture you reference. Abraham SAW IT IN HIS DAY and rejoiced. That does not mean it was in effect. He rejoiced TO SEE HIS (JESUS") day and of course Jeus' day was many, many years later. Your scripture helps prove what I have been saying.

Foreseeing-Beforehand-would justify

Galatians 3:6-8
6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
NKJV

Note the words “foreseeing“, “would justify“, “beforehand“. They clearly indicate that faith was not instituted at that time. It was to be a future event.

 

[veteran]

Veteran said: "And just how does that part of Paul's Message fit with what he taught about Abraham's Faith and our Faith? And how does that equate with what Christ said in John 8:56 that Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and was glad?

In the scripture you reference. Abraham SAW IT IN HIS DAY and rejoiced. That does not mean it was in effect. He rejoiced TO SEE HIS (JESUS") day and of course Jeus' day was many, many years later. Your scripture helps prove what I have been saying.

Foreseeing-Beforehand-would justify

Galatians 3:6-8
6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
NKJV

Note the words “foreseeing“, “would justify“, “beforehand“. They clearly indicate that faith was not instituted at that time. It was to be a future event.

You interpret God's giving of the Promise by Faith like it didn't even exist until the prophecy is fulfilled after Christ's crucifixion. No wonder you're in such confusion. That's exactly what you're doing by refusing to admit Paul's teaching about the Promise by Faith being first given to Abraham back in his days. Clearly, the time when the Promise was given and those who first believed it like Abraham is different than the time when it was to be fulfilled after Christ's resurrection. A first grader can understand that.

 

[RichardBurger]

You interpret God's giving of the Promise by Faith like it didn't even exist until the prophecy is fulfilled after Christ's crucifixion. No wonder you're in such confusion. That's exactly what you're doing by refusing to admit Paul's teaching about the Promise by Faith being first given to Abraham back in his days. Clearly, the time when the Promise was given and those who first believed it like Abraham is different than the time when it was to be fulfilled after Christ's resurrection. A first grader can understand that.

The promise was given to Abraham and that is all. It was just a promise. That promise was fulfilled when Jesus sent Paul teaching salvation by faith in the shed blood on the cross.

No, I am not in any confusion. It seems you are. The gospel of grace was revealed to Paul and taught by Paul. It was not taught before Paul.

You go on and believe what you will.

 

[veteran]

The promise was given to Abraham and that is all. It was just a promise. That promise was fulfilled when Jesus sent Paul teaching salvation by faith in the shed blood on the cross.

No, I am not in any confusion. It seems you are. The gospel of grace was revealed to Paul and taught by Paul. It was not taught before Paul.

You go on and believe what you will.

The Promise by Faith first given to Abraham, is The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and is the same Gospel ALL believers on Christ Jesus have accepted, no other exceptions. It is the same Gospel you have accepted, if you be a believer on Jesus Christ and His death on the cross.

You are allowing those to bewitch you who preach any other Gospel than that same Gospel throughout all of God's Word.

 

[RichardBurger]

The Promise by Faith first given to Abraham, is The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and is the same Gospel ALL believers on Christ Jesus have accepted, no other exceptions. It is the same Gospel you have accepted, if you be a believer on Jesus Christ and His death on the cross.

You are allowing those to bewitch you who preach any other Gospel than that same Gospel throughout all of God's Word.

No where in the first 4 books of the N.T. can you find where Jesus taught that we are not under the Law of Moses, but under grace. If you think there is then post them.

Matthew 4:23
23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.
NKJV

The gospel of the kingdom is that the kingdom is at hand. But the Jews refused it.

Acts 20:24-25
24 But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.
25 "And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more.
NKJV

He was speaking to the Jews who he left behind when he went to the Gentiles. Why is it that most will see the fact that Paul said both the "gospel of the kingdom" and also "the gospel of the grace of God?
If they are both the same why give it two names?

Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
NKJV

It is the gospel of the kingdom that will be preached after the church has been taken out of the world. It will be the same gospel that Jesus and the 12 taught. That the King is going to set up the kingdom promised to the Jews. But this gospel is not the gospel of grace as taught by Paul.

 

[Goinheix]

Luke 13:6-9 (The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree)
6 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'
8 But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.
9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'"
NKJV

The fig tree represents the nation of Israel. The three years are the years Jesus preached the “Kingdom at Hand” gospel. The keeper of the vineyard are the Apostles. The Apostles had about 40 years to convince the Jews that Jesus was their Messiah. We know that they couldn’t do it so God destroyed the Temple and turned away from the Jews and YES the gospel changed. The old passed away and was replaced by the gospel of Grace.

Jesus public ministry lasted only two years and a couple of months. The first plan for the public ministry of Jesus was given by the prophet and Jesus commenced his ministery according to that plan. The plan was a one year of ministery on wich Jesus was supposed to heal, to expulse bad spirit and to anounce publicly the coming of the kingdom. At the end of that first year Jesus was suposed to walk toward the cross. But John did died - he was suposed to do the discipulating not Jesus - and Jesus realized that the people did not understood his good news. It was already three years from the inaguration of the Temple and the jew were not demostrating fruits.

At that precise point Jesus tels the parable. Is Jesus asking God for an extra year. At the end of this aditional year, if the jew people dont demostrate fruit, the figue tree will be cut off.

The second year of Jesus ministry was not public. He focused maily in the disciples since John was not there to care for the teaching after the crucifixion-

One year pass and Jesus walked to the cross. One year pass and Jesus cut the figue tree. That is the figue tree that dried out for not showing fruits.

 

[RichardBurger]

Since this subject is about there being a previous gospel of the kingdom preached by Jesus and the 12 and then a new gospel of grace given to paul for the Gentiles let me show this scripture for your consideration.

1 Timothy 1:13-16
13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
NKJV
If God was showing Paul to be the """""first as a pattern""""" then whay do men say Paul's gospel that was hidden in God was already in effect?

Jesus public ministry lasted only two years and a couple of months. The first plan for the public ministry of Jesus was given by the prophet and Jesus commenced his ministery according to that plan. The plan was a one year of ministery on wich Jesus was supposed to heal, to expulse bad spirit and to anounce publicly the coming of the kingdom. At the end of that first year Jesus was suposed to walk toward the cross. But John did died - he was suposed to do the discipulating not Jesus - and Jesus realized that the people did not understood his good news. It was already three years from the inaguration of the Temple and the jew were not demostrating fruits.

At that precise point Jesus tels the parable. Is Jesus asking God for an extra year. At the end of this aditional year, if the jew people dont demostrate fruit, the figue tree will be cut off.

The second year of Jesus ministry was not public. He focused maily in the disciples since John was not there to care for the teaching after the crucifixion-

One year pass and Jesus walked to the cross. One year pass and Jesus cut the figue tree. That is the figue tree that dried out for not showing fruits.

I see it differently;

From Acts 1 until Acts 7 (or perhaps 70 AD) the Jewish nation could have repented and accepted Jesus as their savior. He would have returned for His second coming and set up His kingdom rule from Jerusalem and all Gentile nations would be blessed through Israel. Read Luke 13:6-9 and realize that Jesus told this story as an indication of what would happen if Israel (the fig tree) rejected Jesus. The Jews had a time period in which they could have repented. (Acts 2:37-38)

Luke 13:6-9 (The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree)
6 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'
8 But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.
9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'"
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However, just as the nation of Israel rejected God when they said they wanted a human king to rule over them, (1 Samuel 8:19 and 10:19) they also rejected the Son of God when they said they "had no king but Caesar," (John 19:15) and, finally, they rejected the Holy Spirit when they stoned Stephens, Acts 7. They had rejected all three in the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who was speaking through Stephens, and their doom was sealed. The "kingdom of heaven" on this earth was put on hold until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, Luke 21:24. During the time between Jesus’ crucifixion and the destruction of the Temple the 12 Apostles (digging around the fig tree) had not been able to convince the Jews that Jesus was their Messiah.

IMPORTANT NOTE: -- This is not to say that God did not have another purpose for Jesus' death on the cross. But that purpose was “hidden in God” and revealed to Paul on the road to Damascus by Jesus. (Eph 3:9)

 

[RichardBurger]

The Promise by Faith first given to Abraham, is The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and is the same Gospel ALL believers on Christ Jesus have accepted, no other exceptions. It is the same Gospel you have accepted, if you be a believer on Jesus Christ and His death on the cross.

You are allowing those to bewitch you who preach any other Gospel than that same Gospel throughout all of God's Word.

Oh get off of it. I can write the same things you have said about me to you. I preach the gospel of grace that Jesus gave to Paul and it wasn't a continuation of the kingdom at hand gospel that was for the Jews who were looking for their Messah. If you believe any other gospel than Paul's gospel you are not saved in this age of God's grace.

Foreseeing-Beforehand-would justify

Galatians 3:6-8
6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
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Note the words “foreseeing“, “would justify“, “beforehand“. They clearly indicate that faith was not instituted at that time. It was to be a future event.

 

[Prentis]

Actually, if you put the words together, the thing foreseen is that it would justify the gentiles, which in no way implies faith wasn't already justifying, say, Abraham.

 

[RichardBurger]

In me first:

1 Timothy 1:15-17
15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
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Verse 16: “that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.”

Pay attention to the words in bold

This is when the grace church of His body started. It started with the calling out of Paul.

 

[Prentis]

Or maybe it's just that he was going to be the example for the gentiles and for the world.

 

[RichardBurger]

Or maybe it's just that he was going to be the example for the gentiles and for the world.

Why do you wish to assume, rationalize, interprete this scripture? It says what it says. It says what God wanted it to say.

1 Timothy 1:15-17
15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
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