Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

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JimKnox

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I disagree. The Bible locates the rapture at the final coming of Jesus in judgment (2 Th 1:6-10, 2:1-8), and there is teaching that there will be no appearance of Jesus until that coming in judgment (Ac 3:21, Heb 9:28).

2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when
the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

How can the wicked survive this? It is impossible! What unsaved person is exempt from this description “them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ”?

Amillennialists take these literally! Premillennialists are forced to spiritualize these away. This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors! There are no goats left to enter into the supposed Premil future millennium!!!
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 says:

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition [Gr. apōleia or destruction];
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth
[katechō or restrains] that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity
[Gr. anomia lawlessness] doth already work: only he who now letteth [katechō or restrains] will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked
[Gr. anomos – or that lawless one] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [Gr. parousia]:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

So, sometime prior to the second coming, antichrist under the control of Satan will be allowed to perform his activities unimpeded – with all power and with all deception. Before the coming of the Lord there is a great falling away. None of this happens after the coming of the Lord as you have been taught. It precedes it. That is you twisting Scripture again. That is what you do! It seems like Scripture is there to be played with in your estimation instead of read, embraced and applied. If you did then you would be Posttrib.

Antichrist is shown here to be destroyed by the coming of the Lord. Hello! He is gone then. This is the end. There is no space for your imaginary tribulation after the coming of Jesus.
The problem with amill is you presume too much.
They make grave errors. They spiritualize everything. And they redefine words. Then they mistranslate everything. Just as YOU were taught. They pretend they are the guardians of Truth when in fact they are the corruptors of truth.
Amils are like that. They build strawmen and then misuse Scripture to burn it up.
They have always been like that because they take after their mother Rome.
 
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The problem with amill is you presume too much.
They make grave errors. They spiritualize everything. And they redefine words. Then they mistranslate everything. Just as YOU were taught. They pretend they are the guardians of Truth when in fact they are the corruptors of truth.
Amils are like that. They build strawmen and then misuse Scripture to burn it up.
They have always been like that because they take after their mother Rome.
So, you have no rebuttal apart from you do not like the truth? Hmmmm. Ok. Checkmate then!

What has Rome to do with the truth?
 

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Rome is the mother of harlots and the nest of every evil bird.
All those who are her daughters (amil) are equally bird like.
 

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The problem with amill is you presume too much.
They make grave errors. They spiritualize everything. And they redefine words. Then they mistranslate everything. Just as YOU were taught. They pretend they are the guardians of Truth when in fact they are the corruptors of truth.
Amils are like that. They build strawmen and then misuse Scripture to burn it up.
They have always been like that because they take after their mother Rome.
1. Presume much.
2. Make grave errors.
3. Spiritualize everything.
4. Mistranslate everything.
5. Corruptors of truth.
6. Build strawman arguments.

I have looked over your list and can't agree. You go too far. Yes, they presume much and make grave errors. But how can you say they spiritualize everything and mistranslate everything. I think this is a stretch. You should have said spiritualize MUCH and mistranslate MUCH. It would have been more accurate. I also think you went a little light on the strawman. King of the strawman would be a better description.
 

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Unfortunately you are attempting to read Zechariah (as well as all prophetic books) chronologically and verbatim.


Clearly walking on the mount is not the same as returning from heaven and splitting the mount in half with a great valley in the middle.
 

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The cure would be in not using the word "Rapture" all together, its a Latin term that doesn't exist in my Holy Bible, the correct words are "Caught Up"

Yet you used the word rapture twice in your own post. This is like those who oppose the use of Trinity because it isn't in their English bibles despite being a valid term since the bible does speak of the THREE that are the ONE God.


As we all know a pre-trib rapture dosent exist in scripture, dispensationalism does nothing more than take the second coming seen in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and they falsely claim the verses represent their pre-trib rapture 100% "False"
 

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1. Presume much.
2. Make grave errors.
3. Spiritualize everything.
4. Mistranslate everything.
5. Corruptors of truth.
6. Build strawman arguments.

I have looked over your list and can't agree. You go too far. Yes, they presume much and make grave errors. But how can you say they spiritualize everything and mistranslate everything. I think this is a stretch. You should have said spiritualize MUCH and mistranslate MUCH. It would have been more accurate. I also think you went a little light on the strawman. King of the strawman would be a better description.
Thank you for your kind and gentle correction.
After reconsidering my post, you are correct.
Nevertheless, it looks like we agree that amil is false.
 

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Yet you used the word rapture twice in your own post. This is like those who oppose the use of Trinity because it isn't in their English bibles despite being a valid term since the bible does speak of the THREE that are the ONE God.
The correct English word is "Godhead" Father, Son, Holy Spirit

And yes the Latin word "Trinity" doesn't exist in my Holy KJV Bible

Acts 17:29KJV
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20KJV
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9KJV
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
 

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The correct English word is "Godhead" Father, Son, Holy Spirit

Are they each God in their own right?


And yes the Latin word "Trinity" doesn't exist in my Holy KJV Bible

Acts 17:29KJV
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20KJV
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9KJV
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.