Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[Davidpt]

You can't post one scripture reference that supports a literal 1,000 year millennial kingdom upon this earth at the return of Jesus Christ, because it doesn't exist

Apparently then, you haven't yet mastered Scripture interprets Scripture. What I can't figure out about you, and I have mentioned this before, is this. Somehow you can figure out something such as Amil but can't even figure out something less complex than Amil, that it's 70 weeks of years, not 70 literal weeks. Why should I think you are right about Amil when I know you are not even remotely right about the 70 weeks?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Good onya Si, you are my goto person when it comes to understanding the Bible

You clearly have no ability whatsoever to debate the scriptures. All you can do is post meaningless charts. Let me know if you ever want to actually discuss the scriptures while backing up your claims with scripture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Apparently then, you haven't yet mastered Scripture interprets Scripture. What I can't figure out about you, and I have mentioned this before, is this. Somehow you can figure out something such as Amil but can't even figure out something less complex than Amil, that it's 70 weeks of years, not 70 literal weeks. Why should I think you are right about Amil when I know you are not even remotely right about the 70 weeks?

What a silly response. No other Amil interprets the 70 weeks like he does, so why question his belief in Amil just because he has a belief all to himself about the 70 weeks? That would be like me questioning Premil just because a Premil believes that there will be 2 raptures in the future (as a couple pretribs here do). He has more beliefs in common with a typical pretrib than he does a typical Amil, so it makes no sense to lump all Amils in with his overall understanding of things.

 

[Truth7t7]

What a silly response. No other Amil interprets the 70 weeks like he does, so why question his belief in Amil just because he has a belief all to himself about the 70 weeks? That would be like me questioning Premil just because a Premil believes that there will be 2 raptures in the future (as a couple pretribs here do). He has more beliefs in common with a typical pretrib than he does a typical Amil, so it makes no sense to lump all Amils in with his overall understanding of things.

A person who deny's a future literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth is "Amil", I deny any claims of this future fairy tale kingdom that doesn't exist in scripture, I'm "Amil" something we have in common

Now concerning "Other Beliefs" outside of being "Ahmil" it's my opinion your closely aligned with "Reformed Preterist Eschatology" you believe in 70AD fulfillment regarding parts of Matthew Chap 24, you deny that (The Beast) seen in the book of Revelation will be a literal future human man, you deny that the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation Chap 11 will have literal physical bodies that die, once again (Reformed Preterist Eschatology) believes the same

Once Again I'm "Amil" as I deny that a future 1,000 year kingdom will take place upon this earth, and my "Other Beliefs" have some association with other Christian Sects because I believe in (Future/Literal) and you believe in (Symbolic/Fulfilled) I would be in the camp of a (Futurist) that denys a pre-trib rapture exists in scripture

Yes I have a few beliefs that are outside of mainstream Christian sects, Daniel's 70 weeks being 490 future literal days being just one

There Ya Have It!

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A person who deny's a future literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth is "Amil", I deny any claims of this future fairy tale kingdom that doesn't exist in scripture, I'm "Amil" something we have in common

Now concerning "Other Beliefs" outside of being "Ahmil" it's my opinion your closely aligned with "Reformed Preterist Eschatology" you believe in 70AD fulfillment regarding parts of Matthew Chap 24, you deny that (The Beast) seen in the book of Revelation will be a literal future human man, you deny that the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation Chap 11 will have literal physical bodies that die, once again (Reformed Preterist Eschatology) believes the same

You are very ignorant about what I believe despite my having explained it to you many times. Unlike "Reformed Preterist Eschatology", I do not believe that all or at least most of the Olivet Discourse and all or most of the book of Revelation is fulfilled. Yet, you try to lump me in with that system, anyway. Which is just foolish. It'd be like me saying you are closely aligned with Dispensationalist eschatology because it views Revelation very literally as you do. Would you like me to claim that you are closely aligned with Dispensationalist eschatology just because you agree with it on a few things even though you disagree with several other things it teaches?

Once Again I'm "Amil" as I deny that a future 1,000 year kingdom will take place upon this earth

I never said that you're not Amil.

, and my "Other Beliefs" have some association with other Christian Sects because I believe in (Future/Literal) and you believe in (Symbolic/Fulfilled) I would be in the camp of a (Futurist) that denys a pre-trib rapture exists in scripture

Yes I have a few beliefs that are outside of mainstream Christian sects, Daniel's 70 weeks being 490 future literal days being just one

There Ya Have It!

Right, so that's what I was saying. You are not a typical Amil at all. Most amils are not hyperfuturists and hyperliteralists like you are.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are very ignorant about what I believe despite my having explained it to you many times. Unlike "Reformed Preterist Eschatology", I do not believe that all or at least most of the Olivet Discourse and all or most of the book of Revelation is fulfilled. Yet, you try to lump me in with that system, anyway.

It's my understanding you believe the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 found its start or some fulfillment in 70AD Roman Armies and Jerusalems Destruction?

Do you deny that John's (The Beast) will be a future literal human man?

Do you deny that (The Two Witnesses) will have literal physical bodies that die, and that these bodies will be raised from the dead before a literal world watching?

Now concerning "Other Beliefs" outside of being "Ahmil" it's my opinion your closely aligned with "Reformed Preterist Eschatology" you believe in 70AD fulfillment regarding parts of Matthew Chap 24, you deny that (The Beast) seen in the book of Revelation will be a literal future human man, you deny that the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation Chap 11 will have literal physical bodies that die, once again (Reformed Preterist Eschatology) believes the same

Which is just foolish. It'd be like me saying you are closely aligned with Dispensationalist eschatology because it views Revelation very literally as you do. Would you like me to claim that you are closely aligned with Dispensationalist eschatology just because you agree with it on a few things even though you disagree with several other things it teaches?

I see many things in scripture as being future, literal, and unfulfilled, I'm more closely aligned with dispensationalist on these topics than reformed preterist eschatology that sees many of these as being symbolically fulfilled

Example: Future, Literal, Unfulfilled

1.) Matthew Chap 24 literal, future, unfulfilled
2.) Revelation Chapter 11 (Two Witnesses/Prophets) literal, future, unfulfilled,physical bodies, as a literal population on this earth watches their deaths and being raised from the dead
3.) Rev Chap 13 a future literal human man (The Beast) unfulfilled

Right, so that's what I was saying. You are not a typical Amil at all. Most amils are not hyperfuturists and hyperliteralists like you are.

I Agree 100%, most Amil adhere closely to Reformed Preterist Eschatology

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's my understanding you believe the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 found its start or some fulfillment in 70AD Roman Armies and Jerusalems Destruction?

Do you deny that John's (The Beast) will be a future literal human man?

Do you deny that (The Two Witnesses) will have literal physical bodies that die, and that these bodies will be raised from the dead before a literal world watching?

Now concerning "Other Beliefs" outside of being "Ahmil" it's my opinion your closely aligned with "Reformed Preterist Eschatology" you believe in 70AD fulfillment regarding parts of Matthew Chap 24, you deny that (The Beast) seen in the book of Revelation will be a literal future human man, you deny that the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation Chap 11 will have literal physical bodies that die, once again (Reformed Preterist Eschatology) believes the same

Are you a robot? All you do most of the time is just repeat things over and over again. I already addressed all of this.

I see many things in scripture as being future, literal, and unfulfilled, I'm more closely aligned with dispensationalist on these topics than reformed preterist eschatology that sees many of these as being symbolically fulfilled

Example: Future, Literal, Unfulfilled

1.) Matthew Chap 24 literal, future, unfulfilled
2.) Revelation Chapter 11 (Two Witnesses/Prophets) literal, future, unfulfilled,physical bodies, as a literal population on this earth watches their deaths and being raised from the dead
3.) Rev Chap 13 a future literal human man (The Beast) unfulfilled

I Agree 100%, most Amil adhere closely to Reformed Preterist Eschatology

You are so ignorant that it just boggles my mind. Do you understand that typical preterists or what you call "Reformed Preterist Eschatology" believes that all or most of the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation are fulfilled? I do NOT believe that! So, stop lumping me in with "Reformed Preterist Eschatology" just because I believe something was fulfilled in 70 AD.

 

[Davidpt]

I see many things in scripture as being future, literal, and unfulfilled, I'm more closely aligned with dispensationalist on these topics

Hmmm----so you actually admit it then. Regardless of whether Amil is the correct position or not, that is irrelevant. Because I have news for you---even I know that no form of Dispensationalism is compatible with Amil. Obviously, you were a Dispy before you switched to Amil. The problem is, you can't ditch your Dispy roots and think that Dispensationalism and Amil can somehow work together.

Take @TribulationSigns for instance. He is also Amil. He also does not believe Matthew 24:15-21 refers to 70 AD. But he isn't trying to force it to work by throwing Dispensationalism into the mix.

And it's the same with me, except I'm not Amil---I'm Premil.
I also disagree that Matthew 24:15-21 means 70 AD. But unlike you, I don't take the fleeing in a literal sense, nor do I take it to involve a literal temple. Not the second one before it was destroyed, and not a rebuilt one in the future. Yet, it involves a temple nonetheless. In this case, it means the temple referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:4. Except that obviously is not meaning a literal brick and mortar temple.

Some of you need to read what the text actually says and means. It plainly says the AOD takes place in the holy place, not the unholy place. Obviously, once Christ died and rose, the second temple didn't continue to be the holy place; it became an unholy place. Obviously, a rebuilt temple in the future would not be a holy place either; it would be an unholy place. The prophecy demands that this takes place in the holy place, not the unholy place----but let's just ignore that major detail.

And here is the irony. Members such as @Spiritual Israelite will adamantly argue that it is absurd for a rebuilt temple to mean the holy place, based on the fact that it would actually be an unholy place. Then, they turn right around and argue that the second temple before it was destroyed does mean the holy place, while fully agreeing that the second temple became an unholy place the moment Christ died and rose. If that is not a plainly obvious contradiction, then what is it?

 

[Truth7t7]

You are so ignorant that it just boggles my mind. Do you understand that typical preterists or what you call "Reformed Preterist Eschatology" believes that all or most of the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation are fulfilled? I do NOT believe that! So, stop lumping me in with "Reformed Preterist Eschatology" just because I believe something was fulfilled in 70 AD.

Please Respond Directly With Your Explanation "Thanks"!

Questions:

1.) Do you believe that the (Two Witnesses) in Rev Chap 11 will have literal bodies that die and lay in a literal Jerusalem street?

2.) Do you believe (The Beast) seen in Rev Chap 13 will be a literal future human man?

3.) Do you believe the plagues seen in Rev Chap 16:1-11 will literally take place on this earth in the future?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hmmm----so you actually admit it then. Regardless of whether Amil is the correct position or not, that is irrelevant. Because I have news for you---even I know that no form of Dispensationalism is compatible with Amil. Obviously, you were a Dispy before you switched to Amil. The problem is, you can't ditch your Dispy roots and think that Dispensationalism and Amil can somehow work together.

Take @TribulationSigns for instance. He is also Amil. He also does not believe Matthew 24:15-21 refers to 70 AD. But he isn't trying to force it to work by throwing Dispensationalism into the mix.

And it's the same with me, except I'm not Amil---I'm Premil.
I also disagree that Matthew 24:15-21 means 70 AD. But unlike you, I don't take the fleeing in a literal sense, nor do I take it to involve a literal temple. Not the second one before it was destroyed, and not a rebuilt one in the future. Yet, it involves a temple nonetheless. In this case, it means the temple referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:4. Except that obviously is not meaning a literal brick and mortar temple.

Some of you need to read what the text actually says and means. It plainly says the AOD takes place in the holy place, not the unholy place. Obviously, once Christ died and rose, the second temple didn't continue to be the holy place; it became an unholy place. Obviously, a rebuilt temple in the future would not be a holy place either; it would be an unholy place. The prophecy demands that this takes place in the holy place, not the unholy place----but let's just ignore that major detail.

And here is the irony. Members such as @Spiritual Israelite will adamantly argue that it is absurd for a rebuilt temple to mean the holy place, based on the fact that it would actually be an unholy place. Then, they turn right around and argue that the second temple before it was destroyed does mean the holy place, while fully agreeing that the second temple became an unholy place the moment Christ died and rose. If that is not a plainly obvious contradiction, then what is it?

Do you make any effort at all to read what I tell you? It doesn't seem so. I do NOT claim that the second temple was the holy place at the time it was destroyed. I have told you that MANY times. You either have a terrible memory or terrible reading comprehension skills. I have told you many times that it was still considered the holy place at the time Jesus was speaking, so it was valid for Him to refer to it as such at the time even if it would not be considered the holy place once the temple was actually destroyed. This shouldn't be hard to understand, but you still don't get it. You still think I'm claiming that the temple was still the holy place in 70 AD. No, I do NOT claim that. But, it was the holy place at the time Jesus was speaking, so it was perfectly legitimate for Him to refer to it as such at the time regardless of whether it would still be considered the holy place once it was destroyed as He prophesied that it would be.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Please Respond Directly With Your Explanation "Thanks"!

Questions:

1.) Do you believe that the (Two Witnesses) in Rev Chap 11 will have literal bodies that die and lay in a literal Jerusalem street?

2.) Do you believe (The Beast) seen in Rev Chap 13 will be a literal future human man?

3.) Do you believe the plagues seen in Rev Chap 16:1-11 will literally take place on this earth in the future?

You already should know how I answer those questions since I've already answered them many times. But, you won't ever answer my question. Tell me why the two witnesses are called two candlesticks? If you don't know, then just say so.

 

[Truth7t7]

You already should know how I answer those questions since I've already answered them many times. But, you won't ever answer my question. Tell me why the two witnesses are called two candlesticks? If you don't know, then just say so.

I Don't Recall Your Explanation On The 3 Items Below

Please Respond Directly With Your Explanation "Thanks"!

Questions:

1.) Do you believe that the (Two Witnesses) in Rev Chap 11 will have literal bodies that die and lay in a literal Jerusalem street?

2.) Do you believe (The Beast) seen in Rev Chap 13 will be a literal future human man?

3.) Do you believe the plagues seen in Rev Chap 16:1-11 will literally take place on this earth in the future?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I Don't Recall Your Explanation On The 3 Items Below

Please get your memory checked because I've answered these questions several times before.

Please Respond Directly With Your Explanation "Thanks"!

Questions:

1.) Do you believe that the (Two Witnesses) in Rev Chap 11 will have literal bodies that die and lay in a literal Jerusalem street?

No. You already know that I believe the two witnesses represent the church witnessing throughout the world. Or, at least, you should know that since I've told you that several times.

2.) Do you believe (The Beast) seen in Rev Chap 13 will be a literal future human man?

No. How could that be when John said the beast existed even before he wrote the book (Revelation 17:8)?

3.) Do you believe the plagues seen in Rev Chap 16:1-11 will literally take place on this earth in the future?

No.

The book of Revelation has a great deal of symbolism, but you can't even discern that. How you discern that the thousand years are symbolic is beyond me because it seems that you take a vast majority of the rest of the book literally.

 

[Truth7t7]

Please get your memory checked because I've answered these questions several times before.


No. You already know that I believe the two witnesses represent the church witnessing throughout the world. Or, at least, you should know that since I've told you that several times.


No. How could that be when John said the beast existed even before he wrote the book (Revelation 17:8)?


No.

The book of Revelation has a great deal of symbolism, but you can't even discern that. How you discern that the thousand years are symbolic is beyond me because it seems that you take a vast majority of the rest of the book literally.

Thanks for the response, your Amil that believes in 70AD fulfillment of various events, your response to the 3 items above is in perfect alignment with reformed preterist eschatology, if the shoe fits wear it, it's that simple

Your an Amil that's very closely aligned to reformed preterist eschatology in other beliefs and teachings "Fact", I will continue to lump you in with reformed preterist eschatology, feel free to define my beliefs however you want, I don't care whatsoever, I'm not a snowflake Big Smiles!

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thanks for the response, your Amil that believes in 70AD fulfillment of various events, your response to the 3 items above is in perfect alignment with reformed preterist eschatology, if the shoe fits wear it, it's that simple

You are once again being ignorant and foolish. Preterists typically believe that all or most of the Olivet Discourse and all or most of the book of Revelation is fulfilled. I do NOT believe that. Is there something hard about this that you don't understand?

Your an Amil that's very closely aligned to reformed preterist eschatology in other beliefs and teachings "Fact",

I disagree with preterists on many things, but you FAIL to mention that because you're very ignorant.

I will continue to lump you in with reformed preterist eschatology, feel free to define my beliefs however you want, I don't care whatsoever, I'm not a snowflake Big Smiles!

You are a waste of time, Dispy.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are once again being ignorant and foolish. Preterists typically believe that all or most of the Olivet Discourse and all or most of the book of Revelation is fulfilled. I do NOT believe that. Is there something hard about this that you don't understand?

Do you believe that anything in the Bible was fulfilled in Romes destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD?

I disagree with preterists on many things, but you FAIL to mention that because you're very ignorant.

Correction, you agree with reformed preterist on many things and that's a fact

You are a waste of time, Dispy.

Dispy? I openly deny a pre-trib rapture and a future millennial kingdom on this earth, the two pillars of dispensationalism, I'm a bad dispy at that "Lol"

1.) A future millennial kingdom on this earth does'nt exist in scripture, it's a man made fairy tale

2.) A pre-trib rapture does'nt exist in scripture, it's a man made fairy tale

3.) Romes destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD played no part in biblical fulfillment

4.) John's (The Beast) will be a future literal evil human man who will proclaim to be God in Jerusalem Rev 13, Rev 19:20

5.) (The Two Witnesses) Rev Chap 11 will be future prophets in Jerusalem that have physical bodies that die and are raised from the dead before a literal world watching

6.) Rev 16:1-11 will be literal future plagues brought upon this literal earth by (The Two Witnesses) a replay of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

7.) Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End) Eternity Begins (Lake Of Fire) for the wicked, (New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem), for the righteous

There Ya Have It, Future-Literal-Unfulfilled

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[amigo de christo]

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - New King James Version

The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first...

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20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. ​

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. ​

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. ​

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. ​

25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. ​

26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. ​

27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. ​

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.​

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The Order (Tagma) Leaves No Room for Multiple Exits​

• Verse 23: Paul specifies the exact order: "Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming."
• The Greek word used here for "order" or "rank" (tagma) implies a structured sequence. But notice how short and direct that sequence is: Christ (the firstfruits) afterward, those who belong to Christ at His coming.
• There is no middle category, no separate tier of "tribulation saints" pulled out years earlier, and no hidden intermediate phase. Everyone who belongs to Christ is accounted for in a single group at His coming.

The Climax is "The End" (Telos), Not a Mid-Point Escape​

• Verse 24: "Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father..."
• Paul says that when those who belong to Christ are made alive at His coming, then comes the end. The coming of Christ and the resurrection of His people mark the absolute wrap-up of human history as we know it—when all rule, authority, and power are subdued, and death (the final enemy) is destroyed (v. 25–26).
• If a multi-rapture/mid-trib theory were true, Christ's coming wouldn't bring "the end" or destroy death; it would just trigger another multi-year phase of earthly chaos, rule, and death for a brand-new class of saints. Paul leaves zero room for that narrative.

and let us read and take heed to the second letter to the thessalonians .
WHEN does this occur . Why its a one time event . WHEN JESUS comes to be GLORIFIED in his saints
and to lay down WRATH against those who had persecuted his church .
And now one more huge reminder back in the FIRST letter and fifth chapter of this first letter
to the thessalonian church .
Be ye have NO NEED that i write unto you , for yourselves know that the DAY of the LORD so cometh as a theif in the night
for when they shall say ..................................................................
Sudden destruction cometh upon them all and they shall not escape .
When they shall say WHAT . PEACE N SAFETY .
and now a word . I have been watching an ecumeincal har lot who has filled christendom , the false religoins
and this world with a cup of love and a plan for peace . and that there love and that there peace plan
HAS ABSOLUTELY MADE VOID , THUS CALLED GOD A LIAR , the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
And now they even cry COME and let us join hands WITH ALL religoins and pray for world peace .
I dont join hands with satan and pray to GOD for world anything . Darkness and light DO NOT co exist .
LIGHT exposes DARKNESS and all that is within the darkness . AND ALL FALSE religoins are of satan and are in darkness .
But that ecumeincal incluisve harlot and her intefaith plan HAS LIED TO ALL
and even said that ALL religoins worship the same GOD a christain does and are simply
coming to him in differeing ways . OMITTING THE ONLY WAY TO GOD and that one has to BELIVE ON THIS JESUS THE CHRIST .
SO . tick tock , times running out and oh yeah our perseuctions are big time on the way as well .
SOON the beast unto whom teh AI image speaking digital system was prepared
WILL ENFORCE the law of its inclusive god upon the world . And the ecumeincal phase
of come let us be one , will become JOIN OR DIE . FACT SCOTT . THAT IS A FACT .

 

[amigo de christo]

warn them all to come out of anything ecumeincal inclusive and its interfaith .
That house is going down on JESUS day .
And prepare all to face massive coming tribulations , reminding them to faithful even unto death .
Blood cometh in mass quantity agaisnt the true sheep who did not and would not conform
to the all inclusive image of what THEY ALL cliamed was GOD , yet was satan all along .
Com e ye out of that harlots house and be YE holy .
TOuch not the unclean cup of her rebellious love and fornication that she has poured upon this world .

 

[Scott Downey]

and let us read and take heed to the second letter to the thessalonians .
WHEN does this occur . Why its a one time event . WHEN JESUS comes to be GLORIFIED in his saints
and to lay down WRATH against those who had persecuted his church .
And now one more huge reminder back in the FIRST letter and fifth chapter of this first letter
to the thessalonian church .
Be ye have NO NEED that i write unto you , for yourselves know that the DAY of the LORD so cometh as a theif in the night
for when they shall say ..................................................................
Sudden destruction cometh upon them all and they shall not escape .
When they shall say WHAT . PEACE N SAFETY .
and now a word . I have been watching an ecumeincal har lot who has filled christendom , the false religoins
and this world with a cup of love and a plan for peace . and that there love and that there peace plan
HAS ABSOLUTELY MADE VOID , THUS CALLED GOD A LIAR , the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
And now they even cry COME and let us join hands WITH ALL religoins and pray for world peace .
I dont join hands with satan and pray to GOD for world anything . Darkness and light DO NOT co exist .
LIGHT exposes DARKNESS and all that is within the darkness . AND ALL FALSE religoins are of satan and are in darkness .
But that ecumeincal incluisve harlot and her intefaith plan HAS LIED TO ALL
and even said that ALL religoins worship the same GOD a christain does and are simply
coming to him in differeing ways . OMITTING THE ONLY WAY TO GOD and that one has to BELIVE ON THIS JESUS THE CHRIST .
SO . tick tock , times running out and oh yeah our perseuctions are big time on the way as well .
SOON the beast unto whom teh AI image speaking digital system was prepared
WILL ENFORCE the law of its inclusive god upon the world . And the ecumeincal phase
of come let us be one , will become JOIN OR DIE . FACT SCOTT . THAT IS A FACT .

Seems many people do not believe in a coming sudden destruction of the unbelieving and wicked. They are like these scoffers Peter speaks of, referring to the people of the last days time. Very apropo. God's judging of them is far from their minds. Lot's don't even believe God's angels will cast them into the fire. Even some believers scoff today

2 Peter 3
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you, in both of which I stir up your purity of mind by way of remembrance,

2 that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,

3 knowing this first: that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts

4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

5 For of this they are willfully ignorant: that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water,

6 whereby the world as it then was, being overflowed with water, perished.

7 But the heavens and the earth which now are, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy manner of living and godliness,

12 looking for and hastening unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Therefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you,

16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing that ye know these things beforehand, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

18 But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ungodly men are those who are not born of God, they are of the flesh and the devil, natural born, not having the Spirit
It does not matter if someone professes to know God, if they deny Him by their works, they are unfit for the kingdom and reprobate, they are an abomination and disobedient to God as v16 point out.

Titus 1

Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is according to godliness,

2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before the world began,

3 but hath in due times manifested His Word through preaching which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Savior,

4 To Titus, my own son in the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

5 For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

6 if any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of riot or unruly.

7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God, not selfwilled, not quick to anger, not given to wine, not violent, not given to filthy lucre;

8 but a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate,

9 holding fast the faithful Word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, especially those of the Circumcision,

11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not for the sake of filthy lucre.

12 One among themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, “The Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, slothful gluttons.”

13 This witness is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,

14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.

15 Unto the pure, all things are pure; but unto those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God, but in their works they deny Him, being abominable and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.