Origin stories which don’t exist for people, places and things mentioned in the Bible

[Rockerduck]

There's a fun theory on that one.

The Genesis genealogies in the LXX are different than the ones in today's standard Bibles. There's a problem there - when you "do the math" it ends up that Methusaleh lived through the flood based on those old manuscripts.

The theory is - what if that's right? What is Melchizedek is just Abraham's g-g-g-great-grandfather.

Shem lived 500 yrs after the flood. Another theory was that was him.

 

[pandaflower]

Not specified in Scripture.

I was referring to Genesis. Where it is specified by scripture. Read it and see.

The serpent could easily have worked things out from Adam and Eve's avoidance and conversations concerning the TOTKOGAE.

Divine Omniscience doesn't work against Itself, but rather Foreknows what acts of volition will take place.

Yes, I know. Which is why we know The Fall was God's plan.

 

[Stumpmaster]

it ends up that Methusaleh lived through the flood based on those old manuscripts.

One of my names is Methuselah, which is what my mother would call me depending on her mood.

Here’s a visual summary of the lifespans of the biblical patriarchs from Adam to Noah, leading up to the Flood — a period marked by extraordinary longevity:

Lifespans of Pre-Flood Patriarchs​

Patriarch	Lifespan (Years)	Notable Notes
Adam	930	First man; lived until Lamech's 56th year
Seth	912	Replaced Abel; father of Enosh
Enosh	905	Grandson of Adam
Kenan	910	Great-grandson of Adam
Mahalalel	895	Fifth generation from Adam
Jared	962	Father of Enoch
Enoch	365	“Walked with God”; taken, not died
Methuselah	969	Longest-lived; died the year of the Flood
Lamech	777	Father of Noah
Noah	950	Survived the Flood

These lifespans are drawn from Genesis 5 and 9, and are beautifully visualized in several charts like the one found on Conforming to Jesus and InHisWord.

Observations​

• The average lifespan before the Flood was around 912 years.
• After the Flood, lifespans dropped dramatically — a shift often attributed to environmental, genetic, or divine changes.
• Methuselah’s life overlapped with both Adam and Noah, making him a symbolic bridge across generations.

 

[Stumpmaster]

I was referring to Genesis. Where it is specified by scripture. Read it and see.

Yes, I know. Which is why we know The Fall was God's plan.

Everything is part of God's Plan, including Human Volition.

Without Human Volition redemption would be unnecessary, as per this framework.

# Foreknowledge comes before anything else. The need for redemption is eternally known, no surprise to God.

# Predetermination is based on Foreknowledge. The provision of redemption is eternally granted, no problem to God.

# Human Volition is a Foreknown, Predestined characteristic. The production of redemption is eternally planned for, no fumbling by God.

# Intervention is intrinsic to God's Plan. The goodness/kindness of God leads to repentance.

 

[pandaflower]

Everything is part of God's Plan, including Human Volition.

Without Human Volition redemption would be unnecessary, as per this framework.

# Foreknowledge comes before anything else. The need for redemption is eternally known, no surprise to God.

# Predetermination is based on Foreknowledge. The provision of redemption is eternally granted, no problem to God.

# Human Volition is a Foreknown, Predestined characteristic. The production of redemption is eternally planned for, no fumbling by God.

# Intervention is intrinsic to God's Plan. The goodness/kindness of God leads to repentance.

We need to repent now because God arranged the fall then and didn't forgive Adam and Eve their first mistake.

God planted the tree. God told the serpent which tree was forbidden them.

Of all trees in the garden the serpent entered that one.

The fall was God's plan.

 

[Wick Stick]

One of my names is Methuselah, which is what my mother would call me depending on her mood.

Here’s a visual summary of the lifespans of the biblical patriarchs from Adam to Noah, leading up to the Flood — a period marked by extraordinary longevity:

Lifespans of Pre-Flood Patriarchs​

Patriarch	Lifespan (Years)	Notable Notes
Adam	930	First man; lived until Lamech's 56th year
Seth	912	Replaced Abel; father of Enosh
Enosh	905	Grandson of Adam
Kenan	910	Great-grandson of Adam
Mahalalel	895	Fifth generation from Adam
Jared	962	Father of Enoch
Enoch	365	“Walked with God”; taken, not died
Methuselah	969	Longest-lived; died the year of the Flood
Lamech	777	Father of Noah
Noah	950	Survived the Flood

These lifespans are drawn from Genesis 5 and 9, and are beautifully visualized in several charts like the one found on Conforming to Jesus and InHisWord.

Observations​

• The average lifespan before the Flood was around 912 years.
• After the Flood, lifespans dropped dramatically — a shift often attributed to environmental, genetic, or divine changes.
• Methuselah’s life overlapped with both Adam and Noah, making him a symbolic bridge across generations.

There are problems with the genealogy of the ante-diluvian patriarchs, and I don't mean the obvious objection of "but people don't live that long!"

I mean there are textual problems. The Greek manuscripts we have of Genesis give different ages at which the patriarchs had sons, than the Hebrew manuscripts. The math adds up differently. The Samaritan version has different numbers altogether. Our Bibles use the numbers from the Hebrew. The Greek manuscripts are older, and perhaps more reliable.

Also, the names given here have very significant overlap with the names in the genealogy of Cain's descendants that immediately precedes it in the Bible. That's weird and suspicious.

I think there's a good reason Paul tells us to ignore genealogies.

 

[Stumpmaster]

The fall was God's plan.

Everything is God's Plan. Your turn.

 

[pandaflower]

Everything is God's Plan. Your turn.

You're late. I already said that.