OSAS being False Doctrine!

[Taken]

See your view of "the Baptism of the Holy Spirit." is not in context with scripture for one Simon received the indwelling spirit when he was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ he has the spirit of God dwelling in him now it does not happen in the manner you are describing and Acts 19:1-6 makes it know if we take the bible for its word. Lets look at it with eyes for learning.

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Pay close attention to the conversation in verse 2-4 Paul makes it clear how the indwelling spirit is given unless Paul doesn't know what he is talking about. The Spirit is given through the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ . Paul clears that up for you right here in plain text easy to read. He who has ears to hear let him hear what the scriptures say.

Now while we are hear in verse 6 is what you call the baptism in the holy ghost but notice the sequence first Paul baptizes them with the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and giving them the indwelling spirit same as acts 2:38 explained in Romans 6 they are all the one and the same then he lays hand on them not to give them the spirit for that should have in your belief happened supernaturally without the Apostles. but to give them the power to confirm the word to grow the church that Pjhilip just planted.

The man SIMON was not seeking Baptism…he was SEEKING the POWER to Baptize with the Holy Spirit.

Why is it you think that Simon was Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

Is Wanting Gods Power to Baptize others with the Holy Spirit, the Teaching of God of WHY a man would SEEK Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

I think NOT.

That man SIMON was revered, and sought after, when he was preaching sorceries to the Samaritan’s. He became overshadowed when Philip, Peter and John arrived. The people stopped listening to and believing SIMON and started listening to and believing Philip, Peter and John.

Peter recognized Simon’s motive right off and excluded Simon from Peter focusing on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit being received unto the Samaritan’s who were pledging heartful belief in God.

 

[Taken]

See your view of "the Baptism of the Holy Spirit." is not in context with scripture for one Simon received the indwelling spirit when he was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ

Where does Scripture say that that Simon WAS Baptized?

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,….

Irrelevant. You are trying to COMPARE…a man who was preaching sorcery….(SIMON) to DISCIPLES….who were NOT followers of Sorcery, rather Follows of the Word of God…

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Pay close attention to the conversation in verse 2-4 Paul makes it clear how the indwelling spirit is given unless Paul doesn't know what he is talking about. The Spirit is given through the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ . Paul clears that up for you right here in plain text easy to read. He who has ears to hear let him hear what the scriptures say.

Now while we are hear in verse 6 is what you call the baptism in the holy ghost but notice the sequence first Paul baptizes them with the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and giving them the indwelling spirit same as acts 2:38 explained in Romans 6 they are all the one and the same then he lays hand on them not to give them the spirit for that should have in your belief happened supernaturally without the Apostles. but to give them the power to confirm the word to grow the church that Pjhilip just planted.

 

[Godslittleservant]

The man SIMON was not seeking Baptism…he was SEEKING the POWER to Baptize with the Holy Spirit.

Why is it you think that Simon was Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

Is Wanting Gods Power to Baptize others with the Holy Spirit, the Teaching of God of WHY a man would SEEK Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

I think NOT.

That man SIMON was revered, and sought after, when he was preaching sorceries to the Samaritan’s. He became overshadowed when Philip, Peter and John arrived. The people stopped listening to and believing SIMON and started listening to and believing Philip, Peter and John.

Peter recognized Simon’s motive right off and excluded Simon from Peter focusing on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit being received unto the Samaritan’s who were pledging heartful belief in God.

Why is it you think that Simon was Baptized with the Holy Spirit? First I said the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ which gives the indwelling spirit as in Acts 2:38 and Acts 19:1-5 and Romans 6 and second because scripture said he was.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

You said "Peter recognized Simon’s motive right off and excluded Simon from Peter focusing on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit being received unto the Samaritan’s who were pledging heartful belief in God." OK I will be honest I have no idea what you are trying to say here but here is my take;
Simon was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ just as the others he recieved remission of sin and the indwelling spirit just as Peter said would happen in Acts 2:38 just as everyone else
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
In those verses you call baptism of the holy ghost that you relate to Acts 2 when the spirit was poured out on the Jews you have many contradictions to try to make this match and be as you claim .

The only place that the power came upon anyone is on the day of Pentecost when the spirit was poured out on the Jews (the Apostles) and then again on the gentiles Cornelius any other time the power is given is by the laying on of hands and always follows the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ . The baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is where the bible records the spirit is given to all you see it in Acts 2:38 and it is doubled down as truth in Acts 19:1-5

What you want to call the baptism of the holy ghost is not recorded as giving the indwelling spirit or salvation but God working with sign to prove his word. If you pay attention to scripture you can see this.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:1-5
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus
Romans 6:3-6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Now lets look at the sequence in Acts 19 above we see that Paul had them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (act 2:38) to get the indwelling. That is what scriptures say to receive the indwelling spirit promised to all you have to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. You can deny it if you want but it only hurts you.
Now what you call the baptism in the holy ghost came after Paul had them baptized in Christ name to be born again (Romans 6:3ff Acts 2:38)
It is not being born of the spirit as you claim but the power gifts given by the laying on of the Apostles hand to further grow the church that was just planted so the Apostle can go plant more. It did not happen as with the Apostles as in Acts 2 but had to have an Apostle to transfer the gift so the born again happened in the baptism in Christ name not by the laying on of hands. Same as with the Samaritans in Acts 8.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Taken I am sorry I have misread your statement "he was SEEKING the POWER to Baptize with the Holy Spirit."
It is because this is the first time I have heard the ability to transfer the gift of confirmation as the ability to baptize with the holy spirit.

In my understanding the laying on of hands was never called the baptism of the holy spirit that was given to the out pouring of the spirit in Acts 2 which was supernatural and not by laying on of hands.

So yes Simon was seeking the ability to lay on hands and transfer the gift. The ability to lay hands on and give the gift is not what I see as the baptism in the holy ghost as I said above but it is the power to confirm the word as seen in Mark 16:17ff and from what I read from scripture it can only be done by an Apostle that is why Peter had to come to do it . Philip had received this power but could not give it only the Apostles could pass it on.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You have been told, shown, exampled, explained….and STILL you don’t get it…

I got what the Lord's Word teaches which is those living in sin are no longer in right standing with the Lord unless they repent turning away from their sin, ask for forgiveness and only then are they in right standing with the Lord again.

You OSAS peoples are a stumbling block to other believers as you teach sin does not separate one from the Lord... which was satan's message in the garden of eden and still is today!

SIMON was Neither an Apostle, given an Apostles task

I never said he was an Apostle... I went and re-red the account in Acts and Simon was travelling with Phillip and he did get saved and baptized:

Acts 8:13
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

So, here's an example of a born again believer who committed sin and the Apostle Peter... under the anointing of the Holy Ghost tells the man

"thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity."

This is yet another example that OSAS is false doctrine

If OSAS was biblical doctrine Peter would not have told the man he had done wickedness and was in the bond of iniquity... he'd be telling him OSAS stuff like "it's all good man, your future sins are already forgiven, no problem dude, don't sweat it... and yeah I'll take your cash so I can buy a jet donkee for the ministry!"

No…Scripture does NOT say that SIMON was Baptized with the Holy Spirit, as you say.

I said he was born again and baptized in water... meaning he was a Christian.... nice little twisting you';re doing there, just like the twisting of scripture! Twist stuff around to where it agrees with your preconceived ideas...

I understand though... it's what you OSAS peoples have to do in order to hold your position which is not biblical. When the future gets here, you'll see it's false doctrine and of course then it'll be too late!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unless.... they turn away from God and go back to sin.

1 John 3:
6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Another impostor who does not believe in the power of God to overcome sin. While promiting himself and pumping his chest to boast how great he/she is

 

[Taken]

If OSAS was biblical doctrine

Baptism of the Holy Spirit;

* Inanutshell CALLED,
The OLD Creature…FOREVER…FORGIVEN…SANCTIFIED…WASHED…JUSTIFIED…SAVED…COVERED…KEPT…SEALED…ONLY unto the Lord God Almighty and FOREVER that man MADE ANEW Creature AND FOREVER WITH THE Lord God Almighty, and He Forever with that NEW Creature the Lord God has MADE.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit, GIVEN a man, IS NEVER REVOKED…and NEVER AGAIN can that NEW CREATURE commit SIN!

If you choose to BELIEVE Gods OWN ALL-powerful WORKS of Baptism of His Own Holy Spirit IN a man are revocable BY ANY means, ANY power, ANY man, ANY angel….you have been DUPED.

OSAS…is simply an acronym which is simple and to the POINT….that…THEY BELIEVE ONCE Gods Baptism of His Holy Spirit IS GIVEN a man, Gods Baptism IN that man IS NOT REVOCABLE.

Not ONCE does Scripture teach, A NEW Creature is temporary and the OLD Creature is revived!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Another impostor who does not believe in the power of God to overcome sin. While promiting himself and pumping his chest to boast how great he/she is

So you think... once someone becomes born again, they never ever ever never commit sin again???

You have sinned after you got born again so what's your excuse?

Not ONCE does Scripture teach, A NEW Creature is temporary and the OLD Creature is revived!

Is that why the OSAS peoples like to go out and do a little sin every once in a while... cause they think the Lord isn't looking and God lied in His Word when He said if you sow to the flesh you shall of the flesh reap corruption?

 

[Taken]

So you think... once someone becomes born again, they never ever ever never commit sin again???

Three questions marks…
Correct. Correct. Correct.

You have sinned after you got born again

Prove it.

so what's your excuse?

I don’t require an excuse for your unfounded accusation.

Is that why the OSAS peoples like to go out and do a little sin every once in a while... cause they think the Lord isn't looking and God lied in His Word when He said if you sow to the flesh you shall of the flesh reap corruption?

When you have to make up false nonsense to support your accusations…you would do well to study scripture rather than try to argue something you do not comprehend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you think... once someone becomes born again, they never ever ever never commit sin again???

You have sinned after you got born again so what's your excuse?

lol.. You prove my point

Of course we will sin. But we will nto live in sin anymore. Because he who began a good work WILL COMPLETE IT.

We have to grow. We are not born again as super creatures who will never sin again, But we will nto live as we did before. because we have God in us.

Is that why the OSAS peoples like to go out and do a little sin every once in a while... cause they think the Lord isn't looking and God lied in His Word when He said if you sow to the flesh you shall of the flesh reap corruption?

False accusation.

Typical of phariseeism.

you where your legalism proud

 

[Taken]

Of course we will sin. But we will nto live in sin anymore. Because he who began a good work WILL COMPLETE IT.

I don’t think we are on the SAME PAGE…
Of WHAT “sin” is.

Nor WHY a born again (Convert-ED) person SINS NO MORE…CAN NOT SIN.

SIN, For a Hebrew, Israelite….WAS: (OT)
DIS-belief or UN-belief IN God.
Also violations of Mosaic Law.
1) Mosaic Law was NOT Given to the Gentiles.
2) Ten Commandments of God given TO the Hebrews, Israelites…..(OT)
3) Hebrews AGREED to Obey Gods Laws and Commandments.

4) New Testament….Includes Gentiles.
5) New Testament….SIN is DIS-belief or UN-bellief IN God IN and DIS-belief or UN-belief IN the one God Sent (Jesus).
6) JESUS fulfilled the OT Law.
7) Hebrews/Israelites/ all presently called JEWS, can believe or not, JESUS fulfilled the OT LAW.
8) Jews who Reject that JESUS fulfilled the OT LAW, can CONTINUE obeying the Law…
The REQUIREMENT is TO OBEY “ALL” of the LAW.
9) Conundrum for JEWS…Their OT LAW required a ONCE a Year pilgrimage to “THE” Temple in Jerusalem to OFFER their “SIN Offering….from a list of acceptable ANIMALS.
10) No Temple exists, No Altar exists for SIN Offerings to be received and slaughtered on the Altar, and SIN forgiveness given.

11) New Testament JESUS announced ALL the LAW and ALL the Prophets requirements hang ON….
* Love the Lord God with all thy Heart.
* Love your neighbor AS yourself.

12) I am a Gentile. Never Given Mosaic Law, Never Agreed to Mosaic Law.
13) My SIN “was” Against God, Against Jesus, being Naturally Born unknowing the Lord God, thus NOT Believing IN the Lord God.
14) I Freely CHOSE to BELIEVE “IN” God AND Jesus.

15) ANY man can Freely CHOOSE to Believe “IN” God AND Jesus.
16) CHOOSING TO BELIEVE “changes” DIS-belief TO Belief.
16) ANY man MAKING such CHOICE…CAN
…a) Continue to BELIEVE
…b) “Change” his BELIEF to “UN-Belief”
Which is having Believed, then does not Believe.
…c) Continue to BELIEVE…AND MAKE his announcement TO the Lord God Himself.
( Which has a SPECIFIC requirement, (According to Gods OWN WORD)… which is a man MAKING an Announcement, Appeal to the Lord to HEAR him….IS SPIRIT of Man to SPIRIT of God.

(Can a man NOT born of Gods Seed…
Believe then UN-believe? YES
They are called: fallen FROM Faith).

17)The NATURAL Spirit of man, IS a mans Natural Truth IN his heart.
18) It is According to THAT TRUTH that a man Announces to the Lord God, His natural spirit, His truth in his heart OF his Belief IN God and IN Jesus.

19)ONCE a man ACCOMPLISHES THAT…
20) The Lord God, who Himself teaches to TEST EVERYTHING…Searches the hearts of men, Searches that their calling ON the Lord God…IS spirit to His Spirit…IS True.

21) ONCE the Lord God Accomplishes Searching a natural mans natural spirit IS TRUE and the SAME as that mans spoken word…
22) THEN does the Lord God circumcise that mans Heart, give him a New Heart, give that new heart Gods Seed to birth that man a NEW SPIRIT born of God, Called Born Again.

(Other things specific are also SPIRITUALLY, by, through, of the Lord God) are things accomplished IN that man.)

23) POINT BEING…
SIN…is AGAINST God
ONLY God can FORGIVE SIN.

24) A natural man WITH a BORN AGAIN SPIRIT, HAS a spirit BORN of Gods HOLY SEED.
God is SPIRIT… He DOES NOT REPRODUCE Offspring from HIS SEED…
THAT EVER can SIN (ie…NOT Believe, UN-Believe) IN Him (ie AGAINST HIM.)

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

He is NOT ONLY BORN OF God…BUT, BUT, BUT….The POWER OF GOD Dwells IN that man, KEEPING that man Faithful unto God, once and forever.

Can such a man EVER AGAIN Dis-Believe, (ie SIN) Un-Believe (ie SIN) ? No.

What … Hebrew/Jew man WITHOUT the Law can SIN against man? NONE.

What … man can FORGIVE SIN?
A Hebrew/Israelite/Jew UNDER THE LAW, according to behaviors between men.

What .. Gentile Never Under Law…can forgive SIN? NONE.

What … CAN Gentiles (with or without God)…
Forgive? Other men of Trespasses a man has committed Against him, AND unpaid DEBTS.

A great number of Jews WANTED to Kill Jesus (which they were UNDER Romans control and laws, which DID NOT ALLOW Jews to Kill anyone.)
The Jews that WANTED Jesus to DIE, were given an OPTION, to TRADE Jesus for a Prisoner sentenced to Death, and he be freed, and Jesus be given his sentence.

Why did a great number of Jews want Jesus to DIE? Because…
1) By calling Himself the Son of God…He was MAKING Himself GOD.
2) By forgiving men of SIN…He was MAKING Himself GOD.
3) Because ONLY God Forgives Sin.

Yes, I am born again, and sin NO MORE.
I can NOT SIN.

Is that the SAME as claiming I am SINLESS? NO…(as some like to SPEAK for Others and make that CLAIM FOR ANOTHER.)

No, I am NOT SINLESS. My sin IS Forgiven, and Covered with Gods INDWELLING Light, that HE can neither SEE my forgiven SIN, nor does He Remember my PAST Sin, (of having HAD been naturally born IN SIN.)

WHEN my new body IS Risen, It SHALL be SINLESS, (Glorified) and Visible to EVERY OTHER Born Again man.

Can a BORN AGAIN person, Trespass AGAINST other men? Of course.
With or without Intent. Born Again does not mean ALL-Knowing. It does mean WITH God Forever and Can NOT SIN.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don’t think we are on the SAME PAGE…
Of WHAT “sin” is.

Nor WHY a born again (Convert-ED) person SINS NO MORE…CAN NOT SIN.

SIN, For a Hebrew, Israelite….WAS: (OT)
DIS-belief or UN-belief IN God.
Also violations of Mosaic Law.
1) Mosaic Law was NOT Given to the Gentiles.
2) Ten Commandments of God given TO the Hebrews, Israelites…..(OT)
3) Hebrews AGREED to Obey Gods Laws and Commandments.

4) New Testament….Includes Gentiles.
5) New Testament….SIN is DIS-belief or UN-bellief IN God IN and DIS-belief or UN-belief IN the one God Sent (Jesus).
6) JESUS fulfilled the OT Law.
7) Hebrews/Israelites/ all presently called JEWS, can believe or not, JESUS fulfilled the OT LAW.
8) Jews who Reject that JESUS fulfilled the OT LAW, can CONTINUE obeying the Law…
The REQUIREMENT is TO OBEY “ALL” of the LAW.
9) Conundrum for JEWS…Their OT LAW required a ONCE a Year pilgrimage to “THE” Temple in Jerusalem to OFFER their “SIN Offering….from a list of acceptable ANIMALS.
10) No Temple exists, No Altar exists for SIN Offerings to be received and slaughtered on the Altar, and SIN forgiveness given.

11) New Testament JESUS announced ALL the LAW and ALL the Prophets requirements hang ON….
* Love the Lord God with all thy Heart.
* Love your neighbor AS yourself.

12) I am a Gentile. Never Given Mosaic Law, Never Agreed to Mosaic Law.
13) My SIN “was” Against God, Against Jesus, being Naturally Born unknowing the Lord God, thus NOT Believing IN the Lord God.
14) I Freely CHOSE to BELIEVE “IN” God AND Jesus.

15) ANY man can Freely CHOOSE to Believe “IN” God AND Jesus.
16) CHOOSING TO BELIEVE “changes” DIS-belief TO Belief.
16) ANY man MAKING such CHOICE…CAN
…a) Continue to BELIEVE
…b) “Change” his BELIEF to “UN-Belief”
Which is having Believed, then does not Believe.
…c) Continue to BELIEVE…AND MAKE his announcement TO the Lord God Himself.
( Which has a SPECIFIC requirement, (According to Gods OWN WORD)… which is a man MAKING an Announcement, Appeal to the Lord to HEAR him….IS SPIRIT of Man to SPIRIT of God.

(Can a man NOT born of Gods Seed…
Believe then UN-believe? YES
They are called: fallen FROM Faith).

17)The NATURAL Spirit of man, IS a mans Natural Truth IN his heart.
18) It is According to THAT TRUTH that a man Announces to the Lord God, His natural spirit, His truth in his heart OF his Belief IN God and IN Jesus.

19)ONCE a man ACCOMPLISHES THAT…
20) The Lord God, who Himself teaches to TEST EVERYTHING…Searches the hearts of men, Searches that their calling ON the Lord God…IS spirit to His Spirit…IS True.

21) ONCE the Lord God Accomplishes Searching a natural mans natural spirit IS TRUE and the SAME as that mans spoken word…
22) THEN does the Lord God circumcise that mans Heart, give him a New Heart, give that new heart Gods Seed to birth that man a NEW SPIRIT born of God, Called Born Again.

(Other things specific are also SPIRITUALLY, by, through, of the Lord God) are things accomplished IN that man.)

23) POINT BEING…
SIN…is AGAINST God
ONLY God can FORGIVE SIN.

24) A natural man WITH a BORN AGAIN SPIRIT, HAS a spirit BORN of Gods HOLY SEED.
God is SPIRIT… He DOES NOT REPRODUCE Offspring from HIS SEED…
THAT EVER can SIN (ie…NOT Believe, UN-Believe) IN Him (ie AGAINST HIM.)

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

He is NOT ONLY BORN OF God…BUT, BUT, BUT….The POWER OF GOD Dwells IN that man, KEEPING that man Faithful unto God, once and forever.

Can such a man EVER AGAIN Dis-Believe, (ie SIN) Un-Believe (ie SIN) ? No.

What … Hebrew/Jew man WITHOUT the Law can SIN against man? NONE.

What … man can FORGIVE SIN?
A Hebrew/Israelite/Jew UNDER THE LAW, according to behaviors between men.

What .. Gentile Never Under Law…can forgive SIN? NONE.

What … CAN Gentiles (with or without God)…
Forgive? Other men of Trespasses a man has committed Against him, AND unpaid DEBTS.

A great number of Jews WANTED to Kill Jesus (which they were UNDER Romans control and laws, which DID NOT ALLOW Jews to Kill anyone.)
The Jews that WANTED Jesus to DIE, were given an OPTION, to TRADE Jesus for a Prisoner sentenced to Death, and he be freed, and Jesus be given his sentence.

Why did a great number of Jews want Jesus to DIE? Because…
1) By calling Himself the Son of God…He was MAKING Himself GOD.
2) By forgiving men of SIN…He was MAKING Himself GOD.
3) Because ONLY God Forgives Sin.

Yes, I am born again, and sin NO MORE.
I can NOT SIN.

Is that the SAME as claiming I am SINLESS? NO…(as some like to SPEAK for Others and make that CLAIM FOR ANOTHER.)

No, I am NOT SINLESS. My sin IS Forgiven, and Covered with Gods INDWELLING Light, that HE can neither SEE my forgiven SIN, nor does He Remember my PAST Sin, (of having HAD been naturally born IN SIN.)

WHEN my new body IS Risen, It SHALL be SINLESS, (Glorified) and Visible to EVERY OTHER Born Again man.

Can a BORN AGAIN person, Trespass AGAINST other men? Of course.
With or without Intent. Born Again does not mean ALL-Knowing. It does mean WITH God Forever and Can NOT SIN.

Glory to God,
Taken

Sin, in its most basic term, means what the greek word means. to fall short. to miss the mark.

Anything we do that is not out of love, or when we put our needs above another's. or where we know to do right but do not do it. this is sin, because it falls short of Gods standard.. which is perfection.

 

[Ritajanice]

He is NOT ONLY BORN OF God…BUT, BUT, BUT….The POWER OF GOD Dwells IN that man, KEEPING that man Faithful unto God, once and forever.

Amen!!!.....

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Of course we will sin. But we will nto live in sin anymore.

Nice double speak!

We can sin all we want and still be saved... as long as we don't "live" in sin... gotcha.

So, in your view what happens to the Christian that decides to not quit sinning...???

False accusation.

No, I know people who claim to be Christians... OSAS peoples.... who do sinful things on a regular basis and they think they are still saved cause the false teachers they sit under (like you) tell them they can never ever never never lose their salvation not matter how they live.

People living in sin and claiming to still be saved cause they believe what the false teachers tell them... is a real thing.

 

[Ritajanice]

Sin, in its most basic term, means what the greek word means. to fall short. to miss the mark.

Anything we do that is not out of love, or when we put our needs above another's. or where we know to do right but do not do it. this is sin, because it falls short of Gods standard.. which is perfection.

Brother, I’m confused....I have a friend who is Born Again, she tells me that I should confess my sins daily to the Lord and ask forgiveness?

Now, I know in my heart, when I was birthed in the Spirit, that Jesus took all of my sin and that they are hidden in him..

What’s with all this confessing of sins on a daily basis?

It doesn’t feel right in my Spirit?

I’m praying that the Lord reveals the truth through you to my Spirit?

And God’s Living word says.

1 Peter 2:24​

24 He took our sins on himself, giving his body to be nailed on the tree, so that we, being dead to sin, might have a new life in righteousness, and by his wounds we have been made well.


We have been made anew ,we are a new creation in Christ....that old man died, when we were birthed in the Spirit, were in the new man....

Even though that old man died....we still have this flesh that we are left with?

◄ Romans 6:6 ►

Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. New King James Version knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. American Standard Version knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him , that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin; Berean Study Bible We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. Douay-Rheims Bible Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin may be destroyed, to the end that we may serve sin no longer.

 

[Ritajanice]

So, in your view what happens to the Christian that decides to not quit sinning...???

Then they were never Born Again to begin with.

As the Living word of God says.

1 John 51 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands.3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.6 This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.7 For there are three that testify:8 the [1] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.9 We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.14 This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.15 And if we know that he hears us--whatever we ask--we know that we have what we asked of him.16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.21 Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Unless one is a baby Christian and is just now learning God's Word... anybody that's has been walking with the Lord for a while knows scripture does not teach "once saved always saved", aka eternal security.

The Bible doesn't teach OSAS but it does teach Eternal Security.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It means God has put His claim on you, His mark if you will... similar to the seal they put on Jesus' tomb... does not mean it's impossible to open.

It's actually a LOT more than that. In his epistle to the Ephesians, for instance, Paul says that the Holy Spirit is an earnest of our inheritance. What you have NOW, is assurance of what you will receive THEN.

 

[CadyandZoe]

So when God's Word says we reap what we sow... He lied???

Sounds like you have been infected with Cherry Pickers Syndrome! (CPS)

That's where one looks at one or two happy verses and claims the rest of God's Word is optional, or even false.

Your question isn't an answer to @Eternally Grateful's question.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Bible doesn't teach OSAS but it does teach Eternal Security.

Amen!!...All Born Agains have “ Eternal Security “ in the Name of Jesus!!...Hallelujah and Praise God!