OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

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If we claim [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]to BE without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

What is wrong with you?

How do you conclude a man IN Christ, Who has Asked God for Forgiveness of his Sin…
“Claimed he HAS no sin?

Lol… “weird”!!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You should stop eating up your false Catechism and try Tasting Gods Word…

There's a reason they call him Boy Catechism

It's kinda like being Boy George, but Boy Catechism

He'll probably go on tour soon

 

[Taken]

I think I hit a nerve by exposing the fact that YOU don’t know what “cherry-picking” means.

Still :rollingeyes: you are satisfied with your long list of false facts.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are Not “I am”… nor is your Truth equal to Gods Truth

Soooo, according to YOU – a person has to be God in order to spread the truth??

Matt. 28:18-20
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

I am quite sure in your Carnal mind believes you’re Carnal understanding supersedes Scriptural meanings of Words.

PRAY…to address a solemn request or expression of thanks to a deity or other object of worship.

As I indicated before – this is a SECONDARY definition of the word, “Pray”. The PRIMARY definition simply means, “To ASK” . . .

While your catechism teaches you to bow and PRAY TO Statues and TO Dead People…
My Lord has taught me to PRAY FOR my fellow saints upon this earth, who routinely are subject to tribulations and injustices of ignorant men, of which you have adopted and promote their agenda.

WRONG, son.
The Catechism never tells us to pray TO statues or TO dead people.

And, as the Bible teaches – those who leave this world to be with the Lord aren’t “Dead”. They are MORE alive than YOU are . . .

How absurd. Saints IN Heaven are Praising, Worshiping God…
Holy Angels are Gods Ministering Servants…
And Christ Jesus is the ONLY heavenly Intercessor…Not Departed souls or spirits of human men.

Your false catechism teaching fails you miserably.

It's the Word of God Himself (Rev. 5:8).

Don’t blame the Catechism . . .

You repeating false claims only proves the Truth escapes you.

Read it and weep . . .

Rev. 5:8
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders (those in Heaven) fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints (those on earth).

Men who had/ have a relationship with the Lord God, witness / testify to Other men.
Angels (all around, unseen by humans) Witness to God what men do!

Exactly – witnesses who surround us . . .

Really … you think “souls under the alter” means souls IN Heaven?

Scripture says no such thing.

Rev 6:9
[10] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
[11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

You should stop eating up your false Catechism and try Tasting Gods Word… and consider Eating “His” Word.

They are disembodied souls of people who were slain in the name of Christ.
Here is the verse that YOU left out:

Rev. 6:9
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

A little more study and a LOT more humility, son . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

What is wrong with you?

How do you conclude a man IN Christ, Who has Asked God for Forgiveness of his Sin…
“Claimed he HAS no sin?

Lol… “weird”!!

Hey - YOU'RE the one who claims he has NO sin - as warned against by 1 John 1:8 says . . .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Hey - YOU'RE the one who claims he has NO sin - as warned against by 1 John 1:8 says . . .

Of course you don't believe 1 John 1:9

 

[Taken]

Soooo, according to YOU – a person has to be God in order to spread the truth??

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Good grief, do you Never Learn…?
Your “Sooooo” dramatics…
And Rewording what people say…is devious, deceptive, corrupt gaslighting….and Boring to boot!

As I indicated before – this is a SECONDARY definition of the word, “Pray”. The PRIMARY definition simply means, “To ASK” . . .

Prayer, Praying is The exclusive method of Communication Reserved to ASK The Lord God for that which He has Power to Give a man.

Bowing Down is The exclusive method of Worshiping whatever you bow down before.

You want to call out in names to spirits of dead persons, bow down before statues…
You ARE attempting to communicate with the dead and worshiping whatever statue you bow down before…
Your prerogative, Your consequence…

WRONG, son.
The Catechism never tells us to pray TO statues or TO dead people.

STOP- catechism, priest, nun, pope….Catholics are taught and do bow down before statues, pray before them, pray to dead people… all forbidden in Scripture.

And, as the Bible teaches – those who leave this world to be with the Lord aren’t “Dead”. They are MORE alive than YOU are . . .

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Lol. Uh, blood is the life of man… pretty confidant you are praying TO Bloodless individuals, who are neither listening or hearing you.
Pretty confidant departed souls and spirits are Praising and Worshiping God, without a thought of you, less they be cringing at you bowing down before statues and embossed trinkets with their supposed bodily likeness.

Don’t

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blame the Catechism . . .

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Not blaming, was accrediting.

Face it…own it, you participate in and practice anti-Scriptural teaching.

 

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Hey - YOU'RE the one who claims he has NO sin -[/B]…

Absolute Lie!

 

[pandaflower]

For Gnosticism,yes. It has nothing to do with Christianity.

John 6:28-29.
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

We are eternally,irrevocably Saved. God said that. Not the Gnostics.

That is true.

Gnostics did not believe in salvation by faith alone.

They believed salvation arrived through gnosis, knowledge.

Eternal security in Christ is something Jesus taught. He also taught his salvific grace was eternal.He told us,he will not lose any who are his.

It's been over 2000 years since our Lord returned home. Salvation is eternal security in him.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good grief, do you Never Learn…?
Your “Sooooo” dramatics…
And Rewording what people say…is devious, deceptive, corrupt gaslighting….and Boring to boot!

Ummmm, YOUR words, Einstein . . .
“You are Not “I am”… nor is your Truth equal to Gods Truth”

Prayer, Praying is The exclusive method of Communication Reserved to ASK The Lord God for that which He has Power to Give a man.

Do I need to post the definition again??
As I have educated you TWUCE now – the PRIMARY definition simply means to “ASK”:

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

Bowing Down is The exclusive method of Worshiping whatever you bow down before.

You want to call out in names to spirits of dead persons, bow down before statues…
You ARE attempting to communicate with the dead and worshiping whatever statue you bow down before…
Your prerogative, Your consequence…

Soooo, according to YOU - THIS is “Worship”??

NOT too bright, huh?

STOP- catechism, priest, nun, pope….Catholics are taught and do bow down before statues, pray before them, pray to dead people… all forbidden in Scripture.

Time for a Bible Lesson . . .

The prohibition against images in Exod. 20:4-5 is the WORSHIP of them. You do this makes them idols. An image is NOT an “idol” unless it is worshipped or placed before God.

YOU have images in your wallet and in your home. Does that make YOU an -idol-worshipper - or just another ignorant anti-Catholic . . .

Lol. Uh, blood is the life of man… pretty confidant you are praying TO Bloodless individuals, who are neither listening or hearing you.
Pretty confidant departed souls and spirits are Praising and Worshiping God, without a thought of you, less they be cringing at you bowing down before statues and embossed trinkets with their supposed bodily likeness.

According to Jesus Christ –
“The SPIRIT gives life; the FLESH counts for NOTHING” (John 6:63).

YOUR lack of faith in Him, notwithstanding . . .

Not blaming, was accrediting.

Face it…own it, you participate in and practice anti-Scriptural teaching.

Anti-Scriptural??

Apparently, you’ve never opened the Catechism because EVERY teaching is backed up with VOLUMES of Scripture. Don’t forget – ot was the Catholic Church who declared the Canon of Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Do your homework, son . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Absolute Lie!

YOU claim that you “sin no more”. How is that different than claiming to have NO sin?
1 John 1:8 wholeheartedly disagrees with you.

Please explain – and not in your usual double-speak . . .

 

[Taken]

YOU claim that you “sin no more”. How is that different than claiming to have NO sin?
1 John 1:8 wholeheartedly disagrees with you.

Please explain – and not in your usual double-speak . . .

Seriously… again simple word meanings mystify you.

Have… (SIN) …means withIN the person.
Commit…(SIN) … is an Act of the person.

Every person…HAS (SIN).
A person IN Christ Has Forgiven SIN
And
a New Truth (Gods Truth)
And
a new Heart
And
a sav-ED soul
And
Gods SEED
And
a new ever living their own born again spirit
And
Gods Spirit / Power
And
their Sin is Covered with Gods Internal Spirit (Light/Power)
And
their SIN is (by God) Remembered no more.
And
They can SIN “no more”…
* Which means Never AGAIN THEY Reject, Disbelieve, Doubt, Deny God.

And YES that IS OSAS…
Soul sav-Ed One Time…
Spirit born again One Time…
And IS Never revoked.

Basic Scriptural Knowledge.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Of course you don't believe 1 John 1:9

Why would you make such an ignorant statement?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

I believe this will ALL my heart.

I ALSO believe that if I fall back into sin by my OWN doing - I am in danger of LOSING me security – as the Bible makes crystal-clear:

(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Seriously… again simple word meanings mystify you.

Have… (SIN) …means withIN the person.
Commit…(SIN) … is an Act of the person.

Every person…HAS (SIN).
A person IN Christ Has Forgiven SIN
And
a New Truth (Gods Truth)
And
a new Heart
And
a sav-ED soul
And
Gods SEED
And
a new ever living their own born again spirit
And
Gods Spirit / Power
And
their Sin is Covered with Gods Internal Spirit (Light/Power)
And
their SIN is (by God) Remembered no more.

Yes – your PAST sins are remembered no more.

Any FUTURE sin still needs to be confessed/repented of (James 5:16).

And
They can SIN “no more”…
* Which means Never AGAIN THEY Reject, Disbelieve, Doubt, Deny God.

And YES that IS OSAS…

The Bible doesn’t male this claim.
That’s a 16th century Protestant invention.

Scripture teaches that faith is a gift from God.
The context of Scripture, however, assures us that salvation is a lifelong process.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

Matt. 24:13
"He who endures to the end WILL BE SAVED"

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”

2 Cor. 2:15
For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are BEING SAVED and among those who are perishing,

Phil. 2:!2
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

Heb. 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

Soul sav-Ed One Time…
Spirit born again One Time…
And IS Never revoked.

But, according to the above-list I just gave you– it CAN be thrown away . . .

Basic Scriptural Knowledge.

Glory to God,
Taken

“Scriptural”??
You didn’t offer ANY Scripture – just YOUR flawed opinion.

I, on the other hand, provided Scriptural CONTEXT . . .

 

[Taken]

Yes – your PAST sins are remembered no more.

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LOL. No kidding. How do you remember what has not occurred?

Any FUTURE sin still needs to be confessed/repented of

(James 5:16).

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^ That Applied… To The Israelites “yearly” animal sin sacrifice, for forgiveness.

I was clearly speaking of those IN CHRIST.
Sin NO MORE, Applies to those IN Christ.

Any FUTURE sin still needs to be confessed/repented of [/FONT](James 5:16).

ISRAELITES / JEWS “had”, but no longer “have” a Temple For animal BLOOD sacrificing, for Forgiveness of Sin.
* They have “established Practices, for Forgiveness of Sin, and observances of their Traditional holy days and festivals”.

I am not an Israelite, nor observe their Traditions for “Routine” Sin Forgiveness.

I am a Gentile, who believes in the God of the Jews and Have “submitted my Blood Life to His Christ Messiah, Lord Jesus”…. thus His Blood, Once and Forever Has Atoned For the Forgiveness of my (past ) sins…
And I Am Born of Gods SEED….
And I Have NO Future Sins…. …
Uh… ding, ding, ding…SIN NO MORE!!!

The Bible doesn’t male this claim.

Uh… that is False.

1 John 3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3
[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

IN CHRIST… ring a bell?

That’s a 16th century Protestant invention.

More accurately … after Centuries of Corrupt Oral Catholic teaching to Illiterate congregates …
Slowly, Over Centuries…
Education, Literacy, Bible promoting, Mass Bible Printing, Bible Affordability, Astute Pastors ENCOURAGING Bible Reading…..
Became Commonplace…
Traveling Preachers, Revivals, homes, schools, church building, traveling missionaries, reading, Teaching Scripture…
Radios, TV’s broadcasting the Scriptural Word of God…
Common place individual can VERIFY, what they HEAR a Cleric Preach… with the Written Word of God… that WHAT they Hear, BE TRUE or NOT!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Scripture teaches that faith is a gift from God.[/B]

Yes, Faith is a Gift…
Given in measures…a little faith, increased of more faith, or Stopped being given.

The context of Scripture, however, assures us that salvation is a lifelong process.

Uh… Salvation is a “Gift”…
Eph 2:8-9
Promised to Specific persons BEFORE a bodily Death…
AND…
Such GIFT Given Once…. After the Bodily Death of A True Heartful Believer…!!!

Matt. 24:13[/B]
"He who endures to the end WILL BE SAVED"

They IN Christ … ARE Saved…
( Remember…their Body “CRUCIFIED” with Christ ???)

They who Believe (endure / Continue / Believing until the Day “their” body dies…)(Shall THEN, at THAT Time, be saved.)

 

[Christian Soldier]

Laughable response to you complaining of being ATTACKED is of A Demonic Guidance…
While you ATTACK.

I don't attack anyone, but I do expose false unbiblical doctrines. There's a big difference between attacking false doctrine and attacking the person who pushes it.

I actually pray for those whom, the god of this world has blinded. I pray that they would find no peace,, until they repent. A wise man loves you for correcting him, but a fool hates you for it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, Faith is a Gift…
Given in measures…a little faith, increased of more faith, or Stopped being given.

Uh… Salvation is a “Gift”…
Eph 2:8-9
Promised to Specific persons BEFORE a bodily Death…
AND…
Such GIFT Given Once…. After the Bodily Death of A True Heartful Believer…!!!
They IN Christ … ARE Saved…
( Remember…their Body “CRUCIFIED” with Christ ???)

They who Believe (endure / Continue / Believing until the Day “their” body dies…)(Shall THEN, at THAT Time, be saved.)

The Bible is CLEAR that salvation is conditional on our cooperation with God’s grace . .

Matt. 24:4-5
And Jesus answered them, "Take heed that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will lead many astray.

Matt. 24:13
"He who ENDURES to the end will be saved"

John 8:51
Truly, truly, I say to you, IF any one keeps my word, he will never see death."

Rom. 8:12-14
So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh-- for if you live according to the flesh you will die, but IF by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Rom. 8:17
… and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, PROVIDED we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

1 Cor. 15:1-2
Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, IF you hold it fast--unless you believed in vain.

 

[BreadOfLife]

^ That Applied… To The Israelites “yearly” animal sin sacrifice, for forgiveness.

I was clearly speaking of those IN CHRIST.
Sin NO MORE, Applies to those IN Christ.

James is writing to those in Christ, Einstein – and iIn James 5:16, he tells them to CONFESS THEIR SINS.

ISRAELITES / JEWS “had”, but no longer “have” a Temple For animal BLOOD sacrificing, for Forgiveness of Sin.
* They have “established Practices, for Forgiveness of Sin, and observances of their Traditional holy days and festivals”.

I am not an Israelite, nor observe their Traditions for “Routine” Sin Forgiveness.

I am a Gentile, who believes in the God of the Jews and Have “submitted my Blood Life to His Christ Messiah, Lord Jesus”…. thus His Blood, Once and Forever Has Atoned For the Forgiveness of my (past ) sins…
And I Am Born of Gods SEED….
And I Have NO Future Sins…. …
Uh… ding, ding, ding…SIN NO MORE!!!

Uh… that is False.

1 John 3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3
[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

IN CHRIST… ring a bell?

More accurately … after Centuries of Corrupt Oral Catholic teaching to Illiterate congregates …
Slowly, Over Centuries…
Education, Literacy, Bible promoting, Mass Bible Printing, Bible Affordability, Astute Pastors ENCOURAGING Bible Reading…..
Became Commonplace…
Traveling Preachers, Revivals, homes, schools, church building, traveling missionaries, reading, Teaching Scripture…
Radios, TV’s broadcasting the Scriptural Word of God…
Common place individual can VERIFY, what they HEAR a Cleric Preach… with the Written Word of God… that WHAT they Hear, BE TRUE or NOT!

If you actually read these passages in CONTEXT, you would understand what John is talking about. He is NOT saying that those in Christ never commit a sin. He is talking about DEGREES of sin.
In verses 16-17, he makes a distinction between minor sins (venial) and sins that cause death (mortal):

1 John 5:16-17
If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

YOU are a sinner in constant need of God’s grace like the rest of us because we ALL stumble. The difference between those of us in Christ and those who are NOT is that we have a way OUT through Christ.

Stop cherry-picking verses out-of-context and learn to properly divide the Word of God . . .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Why would you make such an ignorant statement?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from ALL unrighteousness.

Your were the one claiming it's not possible to be cleansed of all sin so the ignorance was in your post.