OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[BreadOfLife]

Your were the one claiming it's not possible to be cleansed of all sin so the ignorance was in your post.

WHEN did I say that we cannot be forgiven of ALL sins confessed??

1 John 1:9 says NOTHING about future sins.
It says that if we confess our sins – we are forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness resulting from THOSE sins.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

In post #2037

 

[Taken]

The Bible is CLEAR that salvation is conditional on our cooperation with God’s grace . .

And… so?
Who is arguing otherwise?

You seem to think “Salvation” is dependent upon This Thing, That thing… amounting to a long list of “Conditions” your church apparently “teaches IS “Required” to receive AND keep Gods Gift of Salvation

I do not agree with that scenario.

Will be Saved…
Are Saved…
Two completely DIFFERENT Applications…
That Apply to Different People.

Will be Saved… seems to be taught to Catholics.

They “non -Catholics “IN Christ” ARE Saved and Kept Saved by of Power of Gods Spirit “With/ IN them”

 

[BreadOfLife]

And… so?
Who is arguing otherwise?

Ummm, YOU, for one .
YOU claim that salvation is a one-time, slam-dun event. The bible teaches differently . . .

You seem to think “Salvation” is dependent upon This Thing, That thing… amounting to a long list of “Conditions” your church apparently “teaches IS “Required” to receive AND keep Gods Gift of Salvation

I do not agree with that scenario.

And, as I've amply shown - the Bible absolutely disagrees with you.

Will be Saved…
Are Saved…
Two completely DIFFERENT Applications…
That Apply to Different People.
Will be Saved… seems to be taught to Catholics.
They “non -Catholics “IN Christ” ARE Saved and Kept Saved by of Power of Gods Spirit “With/ IN them”

As long as they continue to cooperate with God’s saving grace, as Scripture clearly states: Matt. 24:4-5, Matt. 24:13, John 8:51, Rom. 8:12-14 Rom. 8:17, 1 Cor. 15:1-2

 

[Taken]

Ummm, YOU, for one .
YOU claim that salvation is a one-time, slam-dun event. The bible teaches differently . . .

And, as I've amply shown - the Bible absolutely disagrees with you.

As long as they continue to cooperate with God’s saving grace, as Scripture clearly states: Matt. 24:4-5, Matt. 24:13, John 8:51, Rom. 8:12-14 Rom. 8:17, 1 Cor. 15:1-2

Yet again… you Fail to comprehend…
Are Sav-ED are they “IN Christ”…
Their Salvation is Secure, Kept Secure by the Power of God “IN” Them.

Similar to an ISRAELITE…and scripture that Applies to THEM…
You “with-OUT” the Power of God “IN” you …
Keep trying to maintain your Belief, by “your power”… Hoping you succeed, endure until your body dies, and Hoping you Then are Made Saved.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yet again… you Fail to comprehend…
Are Sav-ED are they “IN Christ”…
Their Salvation is Secure, Kept Secure by the Power of God “IN” Them.
Similar to an ISRAELITE…and scripture that Applies to THEM…
You “with-OUT” the Power of God “IN” you …
Keep trying to maintain your Belief, by “your power”… Hoping you succeed, endure until your body dies, and Hoping you Then are Made Saved.

As long as WE continue to cooperate with God’s grace.
(Matt. 24:4-5, Matt. 24:13, John 8:51, Rom. 8:12-14 Rom. 8:17, 1 Cor. 15:1-2)


God will NEVER walk away from us – but WE can walk away at ANY time by our OWN free will . . .
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

 

[Marymog]

lol

Yes there is

My passages say NO WORKS

My passages say it is of grace thus it is not of works. otherwise grace is no longer grace.

My passages say it is not of good works (of righteousness) which we do but by his mercy he saved us

My passages say we are saved by Grave, through faith and not of works

Those verses do not prove anything. using your interpretation.

again, resolve the contradiction. Or we are done. because we can not move forward until this is done.

you showed me one and I resolved it. if you want to show me others. feel free.

But don;t keep pushing the same verses that using your interpretation. caused the bible to contradict itself.

Hey EG....Are you dodging me?

Have you read Matthew 25:31-46? At the end of that teaching Jesus said that those of you that "did not do it (give food, drink, clothes, shelter) to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Is that works?

 

[Taken]

God[/B] will NEVER walk away from us – but WE can walk away at ANY time by our OWN free will . .

Yes You can.
No I can Not.

And Thus the Correctness of cherry picking Scriptures.

Some Scriptures that apply to you, Do not apply to me and vise versa.

 

[GracePeace]

Why would you make such an ignorant statement?

When I come across people who are married to dishonesty, who never admit when their views clearly don't agree with Scripture--when it's clear they're not playing with a full deck of cards--I don't waste my resources, I just put them on ignore (unless I'm letting them bring objections so answers can be available for readers).

 

[BreadOfLife]

When I come across people who are married to dishonesty, who never admit when their views clearly don't agree with Scripture--when it's clear they're not playing with a full deck of cards--I don't waste my resources, I just put them on ignore (unless I'm letting them bring objections so answers can be available for readers).

And that’s fine. However, I will continue to expose their fraudulent statements – lest some other less-informed reader they’re telling the truth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes You can.
No I can Not.

We BOTH can.

And Thus the Correctness of cherry picking Scriptures.

Cherry-pocking Scripture out of context is NEVER correct.

Some Scriptures that apply to you, Do not apply to me and vise versa.

No - it applies to us equally . . .
You don't get your own "special" set of Scripture tailored just for YOU . . .

 

[Marymog]

When I come across people who are married to dishonesty, who never admit when their views clearly don't agree with Scripture--when it's clear they're not playing with a full deck of cards--I don't waste my resources, I just put them on ignore (unless I'm letting them bring objections so answers can be available for readers).

Views that don't clearly agree with Scripture according to who? You? The Baptist? Lutherans? Joes' bible church any town USA? Methodist? The person who attends no church, sitting in their basement reading the bible believing that the Holy Spirit is honestly guiding them and believe they, and no one else, is not (late edit) playing with a full deck of cards?

Curious Mary

 

[GracePeace]

Views that don't clearly agree with Scripture according to who? You? The Baptist? Lutherans? Joes' bible church any town USA? Methodist? The person who attends no church, sitting in their basement reading the bible believing that the Holy Spirit is honestly guiding them and believe they, and no one else, is playing with a full deck of cards?

Curious Mary

Yeah, I don't need anyone to tell me 1+1=2, and there're many doctrines that are perceptible, and then there are hard ones for which i have looked to others for conclusions others have come to (including the EO and RC churches), and if I don't find them completely satisfactory, I discuss on the internet, as iron sharpens iron, i pray and fast and read. I don't dismiss Scripture that presents a problem with my view, I just admit something about my view must be wrong, and I keep plugging away, looking to have my view shaped by not one or two verses of Scripture but all of it.

The Bereans were praised as "more noble" because they DID NOT accept even the word of Apostle Paul, but daily searched the Scriptures, as the touchstone against which Paul's claims were to be tested, but maybe you think you're above even Paul, and that people oughtn't compare what you claim against God's Word, that we should swallow the food and ask no questions. No sir! I will not be bound by your arrogance! If you were consistent with the Spirit Who inspired Scripture, you would praise me just as the Bereans were praised, but, as it is, apparently, the spirit of your mind is not fully formed by the Spirit Who inspired Scripture--the spirit of your mind has been formed by claims that are not of God.

 

[GracePeace]

believing that the Holy Spirit is honestly guiding them and believe they, and no one else, is playing with a full deck of cards?

Curious Mary

1. This is called "slander" : I don't conceive of "being led by the Spirit into all truth" as you do, so I have no problem at all believing and affirming that the Spirit is guiding many who disagree with me (including in the EO and RC churches, Calvinists and Arminians, Cessationists and Pentecostals, etc) into all truth.

2. I'm saying people like Taken or Joe aren't playing with a full deck of cards--Scriptures that debunk their heresies are never taken seriously, just handwaived away, and they're extremely emotional.
That's what I meant.
I also think others unwarrantedly (contrary to facts) stick to their theological guns, but I may see that as cowardice, pride, etc, not necessarily that "they aren't playing with a full deck of cards" (eg, if they're not screeching their insane ignorance, like Taken or Joe are).
Have I put a bunch of Catholics on ignore just bc they've disagreed with me? No. I don't think or say that everyone who disagrees with me is "not playing with a full deck of cards"--thank God's grace, I couldn't be that lazy or sloppy.

 

[Taken]

We BOTH can.

Do NOT speak for me.

I exercis-ED…(past tense) my FREEWILL TO call on the Lord… Heartfully CONFESS my Belief.

I know my Truth…and I know the Lord God
Knows my Truth.

I Have receiv-ED… (past tense…) the Lord Gods Promised Gift of Salvation.

I Haved receiv-ED…. (past tense…) the Seed of God…the Spirit of God “IN” me.

The Spirit of God (Gods Power), “IN” me Keeps my soul saved and my spirit quickened… secure FROM fallen angels, with powers greater than my own.

My FREEWILL to Submit unto the Lord God…
“IS Not LIKE YOUR teaching of (wishy washy CARNAL Freewill, to Confess, Change ones Carnal MIND )and reject The Lords Gift Offering of Salvation”.

Cherry-pocking Scripture out of context is NEVER correct.

Cherry-picking IS for an individual to Choose ONE teaching Over another for “his own” …proper Context and Applicability.

You … routinely Attempt to USE Scripture as a weapon…Cherry-picking Verses, with Improper Context and Applicability AND falsely imply and claim they Apply to Others…
INSTIGATOR and GASLIGHTER.

An individual WHO establishes a TRUE ONE on ONE Relationship WITH the Lord God…
iS ONCE, IS FOREVER….
And WHY men ARE WARNED…
To be diligent…
To be SURE…
Before Making their Calling and Election and Confession…

”Another mans calling To the Lord God, Has nothing to do With YOU, your presence, your approval, your Catholic Church teaching, your opinion, or your understanding”.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Do NOT speak for me.

I exercis-ED…(past tense) my FREEWILL TO call on the Lord… Heartfully CONFESS my Belief.

I know my Truth…and I know the Lord God
Knows my Truth.

There is NO such thing as MY “truth” or YOUR “truth”. There is only THE Truth – and, it sounds like YOU haven’t found it yet.

I Have receiv-ED… (past tense…) the Lord Gods Promised Gift of Salvation.
I Haved receiv-ED…. (past tense…) the Seed of God…the Spirit of God “IN” me.
The Spirit of God (Gods Power), “IN” me Keeps my soul saved and my spirit quickened… secure FROM fallen angels, with powers greater than my own.
My FREEWILL to Submit unto the Lord God…
“IS Not LIKE YOUR teaching of (wishy washy CARNAL Freewill, to Confess, Change ones Carnal MIND )and reject The Lords Gift Offering of Salvation”.

Cherry-picking IS for an individual to Choose ONE teaching Over another for “his own” …proper Context and Applicability.

You … routinely Attempt to USE Scripture as a weapon…Cherry-picking Verses, with Improper Context and Applicability AND falsely imply and claim they Apply to Others…
INSTIGATOR and GASLIGHTER.

An individual WHO establishes a TRUE ONE on ONE Relationship WITH the Lord God…
iS ONCE, IS FOREVER….
And WHY men ARE WARNED…
To be diligent…
To be SURE…
Before Making their Calling and Election and Confession…

”Another mans calling To the Lord God, Has nothing to do With YOU, your presence, your approval, your Catholic Church teaching, your opinion, or your understanding”.

Cherry-picking verses of Scripture OUT f context is always wrong. YOU don’t understand this because you don’t understand God’s Word. You invent your own little bizarre “doctrines” based on “YOUR truth”.

Good luck with that . . .

 

[GracePeace]

bizarre

Bullseye.

 

[Taken]

There is NO such thing as MY “truth” or YOUR “truth”. There is only THE Truth – and, it sounds like YOU haven’t found it yet.[/B]

What utter nonsense.

Truth Is That which each individual accepts, believes, is factually True.

God has His Truth.
I have my Truth.
You have your Truth.
Human individuals have their Truths.

It is not rocket science to Figure out men Dispute and Disagree with one another’s Beliefs / Truths!

I believe ALL Scripture IS True.

I do NOT Believe ALL Truth IN Scripture, IS Every mans Truth, Belief, or Thus Applies to “Every” man.

I do NOT believe YOU are qualified to “decide, dictate, gaslight another mans TRUTH, “as if”, YOU hold the Status of The All Knowing God.


Cherry-picking…verses of Scripture.

Cherry-picking verses of Scripture OUT f context is always wrong. YOU don’t understand this because you don’t understand God’s Word. You invent your own little bizarre “doctrines” based on “YOUR truth”.

Context, is Revealed IN the WORDS of Scripture.

It is Obvious You struggle with the MEANING of simple common words….;
For example…meaning of such words:
IS, AS, IF, HAVE…

1 John 1:
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

IF, in context, requires AN Individual TO SPEAK / SAY.

Umpteen times YOU have Said, accused, gaslighted Other men YOU claiming other men have Claimed “THEY HAVE NO SIN”…

Where have you ONCE Quoted the men “you accuse” of “them” SAYING “they HAVE NO SIN?

No surprise… For your own convenience, suspiciously void.

Don’t kid yourself.
You have your own Truths…you believe, you do… and they routinely DO Not aline with Gods Truths or Other mens Truths.

Good luck with that . . .

[/QUOTE]

Sorry to burst your secular “Luck” Bubble…
“Spiritual Truths and Understanding” Has Nothing to do with “Luck”

 

[Taken]

OSAS : Gnostic Heresy
@GracePeace

Apparently you are an “AUTHORITY” regarding “Gnostic Beliefs”…

Perhaps YOU could iDENTIFY…

What “Gnostic” means….
What “a Gnostic” quotes themselves to Believe…
“Your source”… for quoting A Gnostics Beliefs….particularly regarding Salvation.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What utter nonsense.

Truth Is That which each individual accepts, believes, is factually True.

God has His Truth.
I have my Truth.
You have your Truth.
Human individuals have their Truths.

It is not rocket science to Figure out men Dispute and Disagree with one another’s Beliefs / Truths!

I believe ALL Scripture IS True.

I do NOT Believe ALL Truth IN Scripture, IS Every mans Truth, Belief, or Thus Applies to “Every” man.

I do NOT believe YOU are qualified to “decide, dictate, gaslight another mans TRUTH, “as if”, YOU hold the Status of The All Knowing God.

You are on confused and angry little man . . .


There is only TRUTH. Truth is not relative - as YOU want it to be.
Jesus said, “I am THE Truth, the Way and the Life . . .”
He didn’t say, “I am YOUR truth or HIS Truth . . . ”

YOU need to take some time off of this forum and get to know your Lord

Cherry-picking…verses of Scripture.
Context, is Revealed IN the WORDS of Scripture.

It is Obvious You struggle with the MEANING of simple common words….;
For example…meaning of such words:
IS, AS, IF, HAVE…

1 John 1:
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

IF, in context, requires AN Individual TO SPEAK / SAY.

Umpteen times YOU have Said, accused, gaslighted Other men YOU claiming other men have Claimed “THEY HAVE NO SIN”…

Where have you ONCE Quoted the men “you accuse” of “them” SAYING “they HAVE NO SIN?

No surprise… For your own convenience, suspiciously void.

Don’t kid yourself.
You have your own Truths…you believe, you do… and they routinely DO Not aline with Gods Truths or Other mens Truths.

John is writing about people like YOU, who claim that they are “incapable “of sinning. You’re NOT.

You are a sinner like everyone else in constant need of God’s grace.

Sorry to burst your secular “Luck” Bubble…

“Spiritual Truths and Understanding” Has Nothing to do with “Luck”

I wished you, ”Good luck”, because it’s obvious that you don’t know Christ and His Word . . .