OSAS Revamps it's Image: Not Sinners nor Saints

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Ahh, and so finally the ol' soul separation card. The sin is condemned, but not the soul, because it is only the body now sinning on it's own. Other souls however are condemned for their sinning with the body.
Not what I was saying at all, Robert. Are you really so lacking in being able to understand... anything?

I'm sorry you've run out of new OSAS gems...
The only thing I've run out of is patience with you in your repeated misdirection and misunderstanding, and your total lack of humility and grace, Robert.

Grace and peace to you, my friend.
 

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Not what I was saying at all, Robert. Are you really so lacking in being able to understand... anything?


The only thing I've run out of is patience with you in your repeated misdirection and misunderstanding, and your total lack of humility and grace, Robert.

Grace and peace to you, my friend.
Well, since I'm a Christian believer in Christ Jesus, God does not condemn me for any sinning, so why do you? Who are you to condemn any Christian for sinning, that you and your christ does not? You're the one that preaches the no-condemnation-for-sinning gospel.

The biggest problem you people have, is when your unconditional gospel is stripped bare of all the pseudo-Scriptural flowers, you have to briefly glimpse the true phoniness of it all, before returning to your seared consciences.

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

And you can't even keep your own word to have no more to do with my corrections, because you know you're wrong, but are drawn to it like the moth to the flame.

You people are the reason the world blasphemes Jesus' blood and grace, every time you tell anyone that your sinning doesn't stink as much as theirs, because you sprinkle your own grace perfume on it.

Nonetheless, you have provided two additional corruption cards to the general OSAS charade: The OSAS gospel of freedom to fail and sin with the devil, and the law of Christ still exists, but it just doesn't apply to OSAS sinners saved by their own faith and grace alone.
 

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I'm not the one reshaping my image from that of the self-proclaimed sinners of modern Christianity, into that of not being sinners, and can't even sin anymore.

You dont understand what it means to be born again, so, you apply carnal concepts, as if they are related to the born again.

All Legalists do this., because its all they can do.
 
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Well, since I'm a Christian believer in Christ Jesus, God does not condemn me for any sinning, so why do you?
I believe I was absolutely clear in saying I don't, nor should any Christian who understands that to do so would be, at best, to do something that would make me a raving hypocrite, and at worst presume to do something only God (because He is God) can possibly do, and thus to make myself out to be God.

The biggest problem you people have...
...is a problem that you people only presume we have but do not because of this self-righteousness that every single one of your posts oozes with.

...when your unconditional gospel is stripped bare...
See, what you say here holds absolutely no water, because what we know to be unconditional is something very different from what you think we think to be unconditional. You're whole tirade is completely misdirected. It's like you're an archer in the Olympics shooting in the absolute opposite direction of the target. It's quite incredible.

So, cases in point:

The OSAS gospel of freedom to fail and sin with the devil...
Absolutely not, and quite the opposite...

...and the law of Christ still exists, but it just doesn't apply to OSAS sinners saved by their own faith and grace alone.
Absolutely not, and quite the opposite.

Such incredible intransigence and ignorance. Yes, quite incredible.

...you can't even keep your own word to have no more to do with my corrections...
Well I didn't say anything about continuing or not continuing to correct your "corrections"... :) LOL!

Meh. You're just all mad because I'm exposing your arguments and accusations for the as the crazed and ridiculous rantings and ravings that they are. So it goes, and will keep going, I'm sure.

But, grace and peace to you anyway, Robert.
 

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OSAS believers used to be the champions of sinful Christians, and they got tired of it being spoken of openly, and so they went back to the drawing board of Scriptural corruption to be rid of that tag, so that now they are neither sinners nor saints.

There are three ways they have done this for themselves:
1. The antinomians declaring the law is dead. And where there is no law, there is no sin of transgression. And so they cannot sin anymore: not sinners.
2. The semi-nomians that declare works of the flesh are not called sinning by God, but only trespasses against men. And so unbelief is the only sin condemned by Christ, and so long as someone believes they are saved, they cannot be sinning anymore: not sinners
3. The nomians that say the law of Christ still exist, but it does not apply to Christians transgressing it. Since they declare there is no more condemnation against Christians sinning, then where there is no condemnation, there is no sin: not sinners.

But they still haven't found the guts to call themselves saints, though they do claim to be righteous, whether sinning or not. because they believe they are by their own faith and grace alone.
 

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because what we know to be unconditional is something very different from what you think we think to be unconditional.

So is Scripture and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Absolutely not, and quite the opposite...Absolutely not, and quite the opposite.

As I said, I strip bare your flowery speeches and preach it for what it is. You can go back and look at your own words I quote to do so. I'll not do it for you, because you refuse to even address them the first time.

And the fact that you won't do so, and quote your own words again to defend your doctrine, proves they are properly exposed for what they are.

Until you quote yourself and show how my response is not accurate, then there is nothing more to say. So long as you are willing to say you have no condemnation while sinning in the flesh, then there is no chance of agreement on anything else you say to try and justify it. It just becomes another endless argument around one Scripture after another, even as it is with a created christ.
 

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OSAS believers used to be the champions of sinful Christians, and they got tired of it being spoken of openly, and so they went back to the drawing board of Scriptural corruption to be rid of that tag, so that now they are neither sinners nor saints.
In your extremely flawed opinion, as I and other posters here have clearly demonstrated. Your accusations are completely empty, Robert. And, hey, who seems to be condemning who, here? :)

I am totally with you regarding antinomianism, though. But even those we should not condemn, but rather what they do.

PinSeeker: ...what we know to be unconditional is something very different from what you think we think to be unconditional.

So is Scripture and the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Okay, sure, I agree, but that's kind of a given... :) ...and thus not really what I was referring to.

As I said, I strip bare your flowery speeches and preach it for what it is.
No, you twist them in to something entirely different that what they are and continue to preach jibberish.

You can go back and look at your own words I quote to do so....
Yes, and see again how you then twisted them into something entirely different from what they were. Not necessary.

I'll not do it for you...
Yeah, no need; see above. And I would recommend that you stop doubling down in your responses, because I would then continue to expose your twistings for the empty rants they have been and are. But go ahead if you want... :)

...you refuse to even address them the first time.
Is that how you characterize redirecting false rants? If so, that's... not surprising, considering your body of work here, Robert.

And the fact that you won't do so, and quote your own words again to defend your doctrine...
Exposes over and over again you're complete misunderstanding.

...there is nothing more to say.
I hope you're serious about that. I really do.

So long as you are willing to say you have no condemnation while sinning in the flesh, then there is no chance of agreement...
Yes, if you continue to deny what God says through the apostle Paul in Romans 8:1, then there is nothing that can be done to right your sinking ship. Agreed.

It just becomes another endless argument...
Agreed... Which Paul exhorts us to stay away from:

"Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness." (2 Timothy 2:23-24)​

We would all do well to heed his exhortation there, Robert.

Grace and peace to you.
 

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OSAS believers used to be the champions of sinful Christians, and they got tired of it being spoken of openly, and so they went back to the drawing board of Scriptural corruption to be rid of that tag, so that now they are neither sinners nor saints.

There are three ways they have done this for themselves:
1. The antinomians declaring the law is dead. And where there is no law, there is no sin of transgression. And so they cannot sin anymore: not sinners.
2. The semi-nomians that declare works of the flesh are not called sinning by God, but only trespasses against men. And so unbelief is the only sin condemned by Christ, and so long as someone believes they are saved, they cannot be sinning anymore: not sinners
3. The nomians that say the law of Christ still exist, but it does not apply to Christians transgressing it. Since they declare there is no more condemnation against Christians sinning, then where there is no condemnation, there is no sin: not sinners.

But they still haven't found the guts to call themselves saints, though they do claim to be righteous, whether sinning or not. because they believe they are by their own faith and grace alone.
Hey Bobby, what's up?
Been a long time.
You see, I'm a real OSAS person.
I understand it.
OSAS is not a doctrine, it's a way of life.
 

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Hey Bobby, what's up?
Been a long time.
You see, I'm a real OSAS person.
I understand it.
OSAS is not a doctrine, it's a way of life.
If you are trying to say that you give straight answers to real questions, which no OSAS believer has done so far, then I will try it once with you. Let's find out about your way of life:

1. Are you still doing unrighteous works of the flesh? I am not.

2. If you do sin in a work of the flesh, are you in condemnation like all others doing the same thing? I am condemned by God, if I do.

That's all I need to know about your OSAS way of life.
 

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In another place, OSASers are now trying to back away from being saved and justified by faith alone, by saying there is no such thing as faith alone.

And yet the belief in faith alone is rebuked by James. If faith alone didn't exist in the vain imaginations of some men, then why must God rebuke them for it?

They are now trying to reframe their their teaching of being saved by faith alone, by saying that faith alone is never alone.

They now say: There is no such thing as faith alone, but we are saved and justified by faith alone, because faith alone is never alone.

Which would mean that saving and justifying faith is never alone, and therefore must always be with works, which means we can only be saved and justified by faith with works that is never alone.

This is why we are warned against arguing with heretics, because in due time we will find ourselves arguing against something so stupid that, like a serpent biting his own tail, they begin to argue against themselves in order to believe what they want for themselves, without appearing to do so.

OSAS is nothing but a childish game of words.
 

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If you are trying to say that you give straight answers to real questions, which no OSAS believer has done so far, then I will try it once with you. Let's find out about your way of life:

1. Are you still doing unrighteous works of the flesh? I am not.

2. If you do sin in a work of the flesh, are you in condemnation like all others doing the same thing? I am condemned by God, if I do.

That's all I need to know about your OSAS way of life.
Well, if that's all you need to know, then I guess our conversation is over.
 

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So, now OSAS believers teach they are no more sinners, nor are they saved by faith alone, if it is indeed alone.

By redefining faith alone, in order to revamp their tarnished image, they now would rather teaching being saved and justified by faith with works.

Since faith alone that is indeed alone, cannot save any man, then they must accept by Scripture, that works is what makes faith unalone.

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

And so, the Scripture is fulfilled in OSAS teaching now:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

By spending so much time trying to reject James 2:24, and being exposed as ridiculous so often and in so many ways, they now must teach simple Scripture. They still may not live it of course, but now they find themselves needing to teach it, so as not to be so obvious about their rejection of Scripture to teach their own faith alone.

OSAS has now revamped it's image and improved itself from teaching obvious delusion, to being hypocrite teachers of the truth.

I say it's better to be a hypocrite teacher of the truth, which is easy to spot, rather than to teach spiritual delusion to children, that might swallow it out of respect for adults, and become two-fold worse than their parents that believe and teach it to them.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
 

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Well, if that's all you need to know, then I guess our conversation is over.
Just thought I would bypass all the flowery stuff and get to the heart of the matter. I've already been trained by others and don't need to go round and round with just another OSAS talker.

This is much better with far less wasted time. You're dismissed.