Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[Douggg]

We do not disappear at the pre trib. rapture, we simply die

No, not die, but transformed/translated.

What happened to Enoch in Genesis 5:24 is a possible preview of the rapture. Suddenly gone.

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.


Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

What happened to Enoch in Genesis 5:24 is a possible preview of the rapture. Suddenly gone.

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

No, read 1 Cor. 15 from verse 42-52, the Dead in Christ are raised WITHOUT CORRUPTION, meaning without the Sin Flesh they once had, which cannot enter heaven, so then the LIVING in Christ MUST BE CHANGED at the rapture, because sin-flesh cannot enter heaven, and since we are told in vs. 44 that the dead are raised as Spirit Men (not TRANSFORMED MEN), then our changing means we change into that which Paul says the dead in Christ are raised as, Spirt Men.

Satan and his Demons are disembodied, yet they travel, so why do people just assume we must transform into a glorious body to travel? We do not have to in order to travel, we will go to be with the Lord in heaven in mere seconds where we then will receive our Glorious Bodies (White Robes in Rev. 19) at the Marriage unto the Lamb. Why would this great event be done in private as we travel to be with the Lord? W will all get our glorious bodies/white raiment at our wedding unto the Lamb.

Now grasp this, especially if you are a pre trib. rapture guy. Why would we need to CHANGE if we were just going to stay on earth? SMILE.........see it now? The fact we MUST CHANGE means we are going to heaven, we are not going up 1000 feet to meet Jesus just to come back down, we are going to be with the Lord for 7 years at the Marriage to the Lamb event in Heaven, where Flesh and Blood cannot go. We return to earth for the Marriage Supper which is Armageddon, we feast on our enemies (its mere symbology).

 

[Douggg]

No, read 1 Cor. 15 from verse 42-52, the Dead in Christ are raised WITHOUT CORRUPTION, meaning without the Sin Flesh they once had, which cannot enter heaven, so then the LIVING in Christ MUST BE CHANGED at the rapture, because sin-flesh cannot enter heaven, and since we are told in vs. 44 that the dead are raised as Spirit Men (not TRANSFORMED MEN), then our changing means we change into that which Paul says the dead in Christ are raised as, Spirt Men.

Satan and his Demons are disembodied, yet they travel, so why do people just assume we must transform into a glorious body to travel? We do not have to in order to travel, we will go to be with the Lord in heaven in mere seconds where we then will receive our Glorious Bodies (White Robes in Rev. 19) at the Marriage unto the Lamb. Why would this great event be done in private as we travel to be with the Lord? W will all get our glorious bodies/white raiment at our wedding unto the Lamb.

Now grasp this, especially if you are a pre trib. rapture guy. Why would we need to CHANGE if we were just going to stay on earth? SMILE.........see it now? The fact we MUST CHANGE means we are going to heaven, we are not going up 1000 feet to meet Jesus just to come back down, we are going to be with the Lord for 7 years at the Marriage to the Lamb event in Heaven, where Flesh and Blood cannot go. We return to earth for the Marriage Supper which is Armageddon, we feast on our enemies (its mere symbology).

The point I making, Ronald, is that the living in Christ don't die as part of being raptured. The living in Christ are suddenly changed in the twinkling of an eye.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The point I making, Ronald, is that the living in Christ don't die as part of being raptured. The living in Christ are suddenly changed in the twinkling of an eye.

And that is exactly what I explained above, if you read the full text.

Their is zero reason for us to get a glorious body on the way, how are the dead raised? Vs. 44 tells us AS SPIRIT MEN, it never says as men with GLORIOUS NEW BODIES, so when we who are alive get CHANGED we change by losing our sin flesh and traveling to heaven like the dead in Christ do, as Spirit Men. When we get wrong concepts in our minds picture of things, it is hard for God to overcome our understandings.

 

[ewq1938]

so when we who are alive get CHANGED we change by losing our sin flesh

So who murders all the living saints at the timeframe of the rapture?

 

[Douggg]

And that is exactly what I explained above, if you read the full text.

Their is zero reason for us to get a glorious body on the way, how are the dead raised? Vs. 44 tells us AS SPIRIT MEN, it never says as men with GLORIOUS NEW BODIES, so when we who are alive get CHANGED we change by losing our sin flesh and traveling to heaven like the dead in Christ do, as Spirit Men. When we get wrong concepts in our minds picture of things, it is hard for God to overcome our understandings.

Ronald, "SPIRIT MEN" is a term you created. It is not a term found in the bible.

God is the Creator of all things. The resurrection/rapture is all in His Hands. Rest in that. For me, the priority is not in our change, but to be in the presence of God, Who I love. That's what I am looking forward to mostly.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The point I making, Ronald, is that the living in Christ don't die as part of being raptured. The living in Christ are suddenly changed in the twinkling of an eye.

Right. Nowhere does it say that those who are alive when the last trumpet sounds have to first die before then being resurrected and being bodily changed to put on bodily immortality. I don't know where he's getting that idea from, but it's not from scripture.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

So who murders all the living saints at the timeframe of the rapture?

At the LAST TRUMP, Jesus sounds as a Trump see Rev. 4:1 and we go to heaven, John was shown an OPEN DOOR, as Jesus sounded as a Trump. This is the Rapture.

So, Jesus calling us unto the Marriage is now considered murder? We leave to go be with the Lord at the Wedding call.

1 Cor. 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

So, Paul is telling us just like the stars/moon/suns glory, we have a kind of Glory also, but our body will one day be resurrected, it will have been sown in corruption (SIN FLESH) and it will be raised in incorruption (as a Spirit Man).

Paul goes on to say that "Flesh & Blood" can not enter heaven in vs. 50, he is setting up the big reveal, but most miss it, they do not put it together properly. The Dead are raised as SPIRIT MEN, so they can go to be with the Lord to marry Jesus the Lamb, in heaven. All this is supposed to let us know what verses 51 and 52 mean, but we all (me too) got the idea/concept in our heads that we simply fly away to go be with the Lord, even though it clearly says in vs. 50 that [corrupt] flesh and blood cannot enter heaven.

1 Cor. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery (a heretofore secret MUO means God shuts the mouth); We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (SEE IT NOW? We shall not all die and go to the grave to REST or SLEEP, but we (who are alive at the 2nd coming) will be CHANGED (but into what? vs. 44 above tells us, into Spirit Men like the Dead in Christ)

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye(in a mili-second, at the last trump(see Rev. 4:1): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (((So, the dead are raised incorruptible or with no sin flesh bodies, AND we shall be changed........KEY.........see vs. 44, what are the Dead in Christ raised as? Spirit Men with no SIN FLESH BODIES, so why do we need to be CHANGED? Because vs. 50 says no SIN FLESH can enter heaven !! Add it all up, we must lose our sin flesh if we are alive as Jesus returns for the Church, so we will leave our body, and our Spirit Man wil go to the marriage call, and thus what happens to all bodies on this earth when the Spirit Man leaves the body? It dies. The difference is our Spirit Man never SLEEPS in the grave, we go straight to be with the Lord for the marriage unto the Lamb. Amen))).

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Ronald, "SPIRIT MEN" is a term you created. It is not a term found in the bible.

Come on man......Spirit Man and Spirit Body = the SAME THING, women have men in their name also, so I call it Spirit Men instead of Spirit Body. Read the above post I just posted I match it all up. But I can add more of 1 Cor. 15 and prove that God via Paul is speaking about a Spirit Man WATCH:


42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The FIRST MAN was of the earth the SECOND MAN was of the Lord (Spirit Man vs. the Flesh Man).

Add it up brother, we leave our FLESH MAN when the Last Trump (Jesus calls us home) is sounded and without our Spirit Man our Flesh Body will die on this earth. So, all those who think we just vanish are in error, the pilot flying a plane will simply die, if he is a true Christian. Amen.

 

[ewq1938]

At the LAST TRUMP, Jesus sounds as a Trump see Rev. 4:1 and we go to heaven, John was shown an OPEN DOOR, as Jesus sounded as a Trump. This is the Rapture.

No, the rapture is for the church not one man in the first century.

 

[Douggg]

Come on man......Spirit Man and Spirit Body = the SAME THING, women have men in their name also, so I call it Spirit Men instead of Spirit Body. Read the above post I just posted I match it all up. But I can add more of 1 Cor. 15 and prove that God via Paul is speaking about a Spirit Man WATCH:

Man is made up of a mind, a body, and a soul, right ?

During the rapture, our bodies are changed from corruptible to incorruptible. Changed from the natural body of flesh, to a spiritual body of eternal substance.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The FIRST MAN was of the earth the SECOND MAN was of the Lord (Spirit Man vs. the Flesh Man).

The first man was Adam - from whom we inherited earthly bodies that became corruptible because of sin - that causes death.

The second man - is the Lord from heaven - entered into this world as Jesus - from whom we will inherit bodies in the resurrection/rapture that are incorruptible, free of sin, and thus no longer subject to death.

 

[Douggg]

So, all those who think we just vanish are in error, the pilot flying a plane will simply die, if he is a true Christian.

No, the rapture will not result in bodies dropping dead. Clothes may be left behind, but not dead bodies. In John 20, Jesus's burial linen clothes were left behind in the burial chamber where His body was laid to rest..

1Corinthians15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [die], but we shall all be changed,

 

[ewq1938]

Man is made up of a mine, a body, and a soul, right ?

No. Man is body, soul and spirit.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

No, the rapture is for the church not one man in the first century.

THINK brother, John did noy go to heaven, he saw a vision of the Rapture FIRST HAND. Jesus/God told him to write what he saw, and then painted pictures/imagery we have to INTERPRET.

The 7 Headed Beast id not a Beast, its a sub in for 7 Nation who ruled over Israel. The 144,000 Male Virgins are not virgins nor all male, nor 144,000 they are the 1/3 of Israel who repent (Zech. 13:8-9)

God's symbolism just has to be accepted and interpreted.

 

[Douggg]

No. Man is body, soul and spirit.

The mind is included as part of being a man.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

 

[Douggg]

THINK brother, John did noy go to heaven, he saw a vision of the Rapture FIRST HAND. Jesus/God told him to write what he saw, and then painted pictures/imagery we have to INTERPRET.

I think in Revelation 4:1-2, John called up to heaven was somewhat of a preview of what the rapture of the living in Christ will experience when the rapture takes place.

 

[ewq1938]

THINK brother, John did noy go to heaven

Wrong. He went to heaven. YOU need to THINK Brother.

 

[ewq1938]

The mind is included as part of being a man.

Part of the body.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Not definitions of man. This is the correct verse:

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Douggg]

Not definitions of man. This is the correct verse:

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Are you using your mind to compose your post - or just your fingers on the keyboard ?

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Man is made up of a mine, a body, and a soul, right ?

A human being is, but we are going to CHANGE BODIES, NOT KEEP THE HUMAN FLESH. Thus we will gain a Glorious body, once we get to heaven, which will happen in a flash. Demons travel now without a Spiritual Body, so why are you so hung up on us having to have a body to travel to heaven? Our SPIRIT MAN will get a new body in heaven, at a marriage to the Lamb event, or just before, not as we travel, its too big of an event unto God it signifies our faith in Jesus/God.

During the rapture, our bodies are changed from corruptible to incorruptible. Changed from the natural body of flesh, to a spiritual body of eternal substance.

Yes, we will travel to heaven in a Spiritual body, as a Spirit Man.

The first man was Adam - from whom we inherited earthly bodies that became corruptible because of sin - that causes death.

The second man - is the Lord from heaven - entered into this world as Jesus - from whom we will inherit bodies in the resurrection/rapture that are incorruptible, free of sin, and thus no longer subject to death.

Who has what? A glorious body, they we will get one also, in heaven. What you are doing is not understanding the concept God has. Its going to take mere seconds for us to travel to heaven, God will want to reward us our glorious body in a Celebration of Life type event. Your way would be like seniors in high school all just graduating and not making a display out of their graduation. Gifs will be passed out in heaven, judgment will be done in heaven as in does the blood of Jesus cover this one, YES !!

No, the rapture will not result in bodies dropping dead. Clothes may be left behind, but not dead bodies. In John 20, Jesus's burial linen clothes were left behind in the burial chamber where His body was laid to rest..

You will one day see I a correct. The verses say jus that. Flesh and blood CANNOT ENTER HEAVEN.