Pains and suffering

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· The man-child, referring to Jesus.
Okay so Revelation 1:1 is explicit in it showing you the continuous historical nature of the prophecy:

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must "soon" take place"

This "soon" applies to every generation hereafter receiving the revelation from John at Patmos.

Do you seriously believe Revelation 12 starts which a prophecy concerning the birth of Jesus Christ :IDK: - now dont be foolish here Scott! Use the grey matter a little! He has already been born and all the prophecies of his birth in the OT have been accomplished and you are telling me we have another prophecy of his birth here in Rev 12?

Here is the issue Scott.

In 2 Corinthians 11:2, the true church is described as a "chaste virgin." coffee:

But what happened?

Early in her life as predicted by the Apostles this virgin became pregnant with the seeds of error (Read Acts 15!). :doldrums:

The question for you to consider is this...what type of man-child was born?

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Okay so this is what happens when a persons exegesis fails to work for them...they hit a wall and can go no further.

Explain the symbol of the earth and why it helped the woman.

What is the significance of the earth & the woman?
How do they relate to the events of Revelation 11?
Who is persecuting who in Revelation 12?

Remember the Revelation is the development of pagan Christianity and the development of the apostasy as forewarned by the Apostles and John at Patmos.

If you are apart of this apostasy it would nigh on impossible for you to see it.

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Apostasy / Kingdom Hall / Hallway to Hell fire ...

Satan LOVES it when his children convince people that there is no "everlasting fire" that Jesus warned us about!
 

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Apostasy / Kingdom Hall / Hallway to Hell fire ...

Satan LOVES it when his children convince people that there is no "everlasting fire" that Jesus warned us about!
Not game to tackle it J?
 

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Why aren't you busy telling people that there is no "everlasting fire" that Jesus warned us?
Most understand the imagery which is the result of some very persistent teaching :)
 

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believe you me for those who end up in the firey depths , they gonna know there simply is no worse a place .
But on the opposite side of that is , WHEN THE LAMBS ARE FINALLY HOME its PARADISE with KING forever and ever and ever.
Sufferings in this life but dont feel good . That is a fact i do know . But the HOME i look forward
too lifts me up with hope even during the darkest times . Eternal life with THE KING is gonna be upmost wonderful.
Just remember that . Now lift those hands and let the glorious Lord be praised .
You will be prayed for as well .
Thank you
 
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So that we can know what good is and appreciate it when it comes. When we are in darkness and light shines it is glorious.
Could we know forgiveness if there wasn't sin?
Could we know mercy and healing if not for pain and suffering?
Could we know love and faith, kindness, joy, truth if we did not see their opposites.
Could we really understand and appreciate any of God's attributes and blessings unless we have lived without them?
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was there for a purpose ... and so was Satan. Obviously we needed both. God knew what would happen and really it is was the only way. You can't force anyone to love you. There must be a choice and you need to knowbhowbvaluable that choice is. He couldn't nor can we force anyone to love. We need to do it willingly. When we see someone in need we are moved with compassion to help. What triggers compassion or mercy? Feelings well up inside us and we empathize with someones pain ... we want to help. We wouldn't be motivated to do aything fir anyone if they did not need it.
We drink water, have an abundance ( at least where I live) and take it for granted. It is a sure thing, anytime we want it. Imagine being stranded in a 100 degree desert without water for just a couple days. You can't think of anything else because you know you will soon die. Then you come to an oasis, a beautiful, natural spring of fresh water - ooh how wonderful and refreshing. You never appreciated it as much as you did that moment. Anything that is good is often taken for granted until we don't have anyone. We don't appreciate family sometimes until they are gone.
The pain and sufferings in our lives can not compare to the glory that we will experience in heaven - you'd probably sacrifice a hundred lifetimes for heaven if you knew. But you won't ... just a few mire years and it you will have a new eternal body and never experience evil again.
Praise God.
God bless you.
 
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2 Peter 3, Peter tells us what is coming for this world and at the end of the age will come a new world.

Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of [a]us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [c]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Be Steadfast​

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Amen