Patterns that exist in the KJV only, for some mysterious reason.
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Patterns that exist in the KJV only
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David Lamb
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But 70 X 7 is 490, so (70 X 7) + (70 X 7) is 980. The name "Jesus" occurs 942 times in the KJV, not 980.
Then the next column claims that there are 777 mentions of the name "Jesus" (though the first column said 980), and 777 mentions of the title "Christ". In fact there are 942 mentions of "Jesus" and 532 mentions of "Christ". I am not quite sure what the third column means. I think it means that there are 77 X 77 mentions of Jesus and Christ in the same verse, plus mentions of God and Father in the same verse. 77 X 77 is 5929. However, there are 258 verses containing both "Jesus" and "Christ", and 160 containing both "God" and "Father." That's 418 verses, nothing like 77 X 77 (5929).
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The e-Sword Bible software claims that there are 942 verses continaing the word Jesus, although the Online Bible software claims there are 943 verses, but they both agree that there are 983 occurrences of the word Jesus, i.e. some verses contain the word more than once.
The Online Bible Greek Lexicon says there are 972 occurrences of the word Jesus translated from Iesous, 2 translated from Joshua and one from Justus, making 974 occurrences. The Justus verse is Colossians 4:11 -
(11) And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.
so it's not even referring to Jesus the Son of God! The name Justus (a Roman/Latin name) is used in two other verses too (Acts 1:23 and Acts 18:7).
Maybe if you took the 983 number and discarded the translations from Joshua and Justus you could arrive at 980 occurrences.
Again there are 532 verses but 571 occurrences of the word Christ.
A case sensitive search for Father, rather than father or Father, shows there are ony 60 verses with the words God and Father. There are only 33 verses which contain all of Jesus, Christ, God and Father (with 146 words found).
I've not watched the video, but maybe that slide has a mistake and it should be 77+77 rather than 77x77. Shoddy work all round!
David Lamb
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I should have explained that the bible software I use counts the number of occurrences, not the number of verses, for the word searched for.The e-Sword Bible software claims that there are 942 verses continaing the word Jesus, although the Online Bible software claims there are 943 verses, but they both agree that there are 983 occurrences of the word Jesus, i.e. some verses contain the word more than once.
The Online Bible Greek Lexicon says there are 972 occurrences of the word Jesus translated from Iesous, 2 translated from Joshua and one from Justus, making 974 occurrences. The Justus verse is Colossians 4:11 -
(11) And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.
so it's not even referring to Jesus the Son of God! The name Justus (a Roman/Latin name) is used in two other verses too (Acts 1:23 and Acts 18:7).
Maybe if you took the 983 number and discarded the translations from Joshua and Justus you could arrive at 980 occurrences.
Again there are 532 verses but 571 occurrences of the word Christ.
A case sensitive search for Father, rather than father or Father, shows there are ony 60 verses with the words God and Father. There are only 33 verses which contain all of Jesus, Christ, God and Father (with 146 words found).
I've not watched the video, but maybe that slide has a mistake and it should be 77+77 rather than 77x77. Shoddy work all round!
A quick look at the video, so you can see a larger view of the chart, reveals that it says:
God or God's 4103x [e-Sword makes it 4111]
Father or Father's 272x [e-Sword makes it 274]
Jesus or Jesus' 980x [e-Sword makes it 977]
Christ or Christ's /Christian(s) 574x [e-Sword makes it 581]
Total is 5929, which is 77 x 77. The e-Sword total is 5943, which is not 77 x 77!
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He uses one specific software program for his searches (King James Pure Bible Search) which he believes is accurate, but the accuracy of his findings is naturally dependent on the software.
He looks at specific words or combinations and excludes instances as for example where the name Jesus isn't talking about Christ, as @keithr mentioned. It's better to watch the video and maybe the first video he ever produced. That way you'll understand his method.
Even so, what the software he uses throws out is remarkable. I'm not sure what to make of it because if true all it really does is to provide evidence for the divine inspiration of biblical scripture, which I was convinced of already. It's still very interesting though.
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So I'm told. But 777 represents completion, completeness, perfection, and also judgment.
Six times around the walls of Jericho with seven priests, each blowing a trumpet. The seventh day seven times around the walls and when the seventh of seven trumpets sounded, the walls of Jericho fell.
.. and the cities of the nations fell (Revelation).
The heat of the burning, fiery furnace that Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were thrown into was increased seven-fold - indicating that it was heated to its maximum.
GREAT tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of the world to that time.
Jesus represents a new creation. He rose from the dead on the 8th day, following the sabbath and the 7th day.
I don't really like the word "gematria" because it can give rise to barking up the wrong religious tree (there's a difference between knowing God and knowing about God), but numbers definitely represent things in scripture, IMO (i.e there is a significance in numbers).
I think what the person who produced the videos is convinced of and is trying to convey is that there is a definite repeat of patterns of 7's and multiples of seven in scripture and it shows that scripture is the completeness and fullness of God's (entire) revelation to man - but more than that he obviously believes that this specifically refers to the KJV - which is where I begin to question why that would be the case, since the scriptures were written in Greek, not English.
IMO there are other reasons for not fully trusting the translations of more modern versions, such as what he mentions in this video (although for me personally, I will always like and use more modern versions for ease of reading, and use the KJV as the base source of all English translations, and make sure I remain aware that the Hebrew and Greek are the base source of the KJV and all English translations):
I think it's God's signature on scripture rather than on one only translation. IMO to say it's God's signature on the translation means that the French translation, the German translation, and all other translations do not carry God's signature.
It could also mean that God chose that translation to show that all translations carry His signature, because it's biblical scripture that carries His signature.
I don’t know anything about the other languages as I don’t speak other languages but, I would assume they would have the pure word of God also.
I will say that other English bibles don’t have the number patterns the KJV has.
David Lamb
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I got 983 but that's still not 980
| Translation | Occurrences of “Jesus” | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| KJV | ~983 | Includes some OT references in genealogies (e.g., “Jesus” for Joshua in Acts 7:45, Heb 4:8) |
| NIV | ~1,273 | Counts “Jesus” plus some variant readings where older manuscripts differ |
| ESV | ~925 | Focuses on critical text; omits some later additions like Mark 16:9–20 |
| NASB | ~913 | Based on critical text but retains some traditional readings |
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