Paul's Gospel According to Jesus Christ

[Behold]

The only thing that water baptism will do for you is get you wet. Do they believe that getting wet will save them?

The Cult of Mary (Catholic).... has a demonic Bible that was incredibly mistranslated from corrupt manuscripts.

St. JEROME< is the person who played with the verses, and revised them according to his LEGALISM.

This is not widely known, but, Martin Luther was also Catholic Bible Translator.... and He was so upset by studying Jerome's man made, reshaping, of the NT, that He literally became not long afterwards....... the "Protestant Reformation", more or less.

For example....Jerome is the one who mistranslated , according to his LEGALISM.... "repentance" as PENANCE, and Catholics have been doing Penance ever since.

This Bible that is the Catholic Bible, is the Douay Rheims... and it says in John 3... "Born again BY Water"..

"BY water"

= "water cult"

This is why Catholics and also Protestant denoms that are influenced by the "Cult of Mary" always obsess on water.

Catholics teach that "water washes your sin away".., and this teaching manifests in a lot of Protestant denominations, and that is why their "people" will demand that water is a part of salvation.
They dont know this came from a Demonic Bible, that is the authorized "Cult of Mary " version.

 

[Godslittleservant]

The only thing that water baptism will do for you is get you wet. Do they believe that getting wet will save them?

Book chapter and verse professor show me book chapter and verse where the bible says this

 

[Godslittleservant]

Water .....Has no effect on sin. as water can't wash away your sin.

Its just water....

Now the "cult of mary" teaches that water washes sin away and that if there is no water, there is no salvation.
And this CULT of MARY, has theologically poisoned many Protestant denominations with this teaching.

"Born again... By water"..

See that? BORN... again....."By WATER", and that is a lie from the Father of sin, as water does not cause the New Birth, and never will.

Then you need to tell the spirit because though Peter he calls you a liar He said starting with John the baptist that baptism is for the remission of sin and it remained the teaching even through the baptism in Jesus name that fulfilled what was started with Gods plan on sending John.

Jesus said born of water and spirit which was completed in his death on the cross. You spend so much time tearing down what God placed in motion that you are missing the wonderful grace he gave to the act of baptism it is not just an empty ritual as you claim but his wondrous work of redeeming man unto himself.

 

[Godslittleservant]

The Cult of Mary (Catholic).... has a demonic Bible that was incredibly mistranslated from corrupt manuscripts.

St. JEROME< is the person who played with the verses, and revised them according to his LEGALISM.

This is not widely known, but, Martin Luther was also Catholic Bible Translator.... and He was so upset by studying Jerome's man made, reshaping, of the NT, that He literally became not long afterwards....... the "Protestant Reformation", more or less.

For example....Jerome is the one who mistranslated , according to his LEGALISM.... "repentance" as PENANCE, and Catholics have been doing Penance ever since.

This Bible that is the Catholic Bible, is the Douay Rheims... and it says in John 3... "Born again BY Water"..

"BY water"

= "water cult"

This is why Catholics and also Protestant denoms that are influenced by the "Cult of Mary" always obsess on water.

Catholics teach that "water washes your sin away".., and this teaching manifests in a lot of Protestant denominations, and that is why their "people" will demand that water is a part of salvation.
They dont know this came from a Demonic Bible, that is the authorized "Cult of Mary " version.

Ok it is clear there is no need to discuss with you so I will pass from here on

 

[Godslittleservant]

Repent and believe the gospel precede water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9) You reverse the scriptural order of repent and believe/believe the gospel/place faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15; 20:21)

In regard to Acts 19:1-5, in verse 2, their answer to Paul's question, “we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit” demonstrated that they were not yet believers in Jesus Christ unto salvation. Paul further asked, "into what then were you baptized? They said, “into John’s baptism.” Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”

When they heard this, they were afterwards baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already previously believed the gospel and were saved. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Christ Jesus for salvation then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is the exception, not the rule in every case of conversion, as in Acts 2 and Acts 10).


A handful of verses that "on the surface" merely appear to teach that we are saved by water baptism do not negate numerous passages of scripture which make it clear that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43-47; 11:17; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 15:1-4; Galatians 3:2; 3:26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..). Repentance precedes belief/faith so its already implied or assumed.


Water baptism is the picture and Spirit baptism is the reality. 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. This is not water baptism, but Spirit baptism.

At what point are we placed into the body of Christ and added to His church?

Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.

Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise.

Believers are water baptized into Christ in the same sense that the Israelites were baptized into Moses (1 Corinthians 10:2) and there is little dispute that being "baptized into Moses" signified the open allegiance and public identification of the Israelites with Moses as their leader. Moses was formally recognized as the leader of the covenant people. Water baptism signifies our allegiance and public identification with Christ as our Savior, so it would only be in that sense.


In regard to Acts 22:16, as Greek scholar AT Robertson points out - baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ. The language in Acts 22:16 is similar to the statement of Christ when He took the bread and said, "This is my body" (Matthew 26:26). The bread was only the emblem of His body. Baptism is the emblem of the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ. Every time a believer is immersed, he washes away his sins in the same sense Paul did: not literally, but ceremonially, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

Paul had already believed in Christ unto salvation when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17). It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he was filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)--this was BEFORE he was water baptized (Acts 9:18). Verse 17 connects his being filled with the Spirit with the receiving of his sight. We know that he received his sight prior to his baptism.

It's interesting that when Paul recounted this event again later in Acts (Acts 26:12-18), he did not mention Ananias or what Ananias said to him at all. Verse 18 again would confirm the idea that Paul received Christ as Savior on the road to Damascus since here Christ is telling Paul he will be a messenger for Him concerning forgiveness of sins for Gentiles as they have faith in Him. It would seem unlikely that Christ would commission Paul if Paul had not yet believed in Him and was still lost in his sins.

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?


Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death, burial and resurrection is the substance and baptism is the symbol/picture. Without the substance there would be no symbol/picture.

mailmandan This is a long post and I do not have the time right now to give it the respect it deserves so I will try to get back to it later

 

[Godslittleservant]

Repent and believe the gospel precede water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9) You reverse the scriptural order of repent and believe/believe the gospel/place faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15; 20:21)

I do not recall reversing the scripture order of repent and believe. I teach one has to believe to repent and be baptized in Christ name. I say that without belief it matters not what else you do if you do not believe the gospel of Christ. Once you hear and believe then it convicts your heart into repentance and being baptized in Christ name so as to receive the indwelling spirit. Where we differ is you try to tell me that one repents for the forgiveness of sin but that is contrary to the word the word says one is baptized in Christ name for the remission of sin. I will give you that repent and being baptized can happen at the same time resulting is the remission of sin but from the scriptural view point it is the baptism in Christ name that God chose to remit sin it says it to many places not to accept that tidbit of fact.

In regard to Acts 19:1-5, in verse 2, their answer to Paul's question, “we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit” demonstrated that they were not yet believers in Jesus Christ unto salvation. Paul further asked, "into what then were you baptized? They said, “into John’s baptism.” Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
”When they heard this, they were afterwards baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already previously believed the gospel and were saved. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Christ Jesus for salvation then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is the exception, not the rule in every case of conversion, as in Acts 2 and Acts 10).

Here we agree somewhat yes in verse 2 they were not correctly baptized thus they were still in their sins and have not received the indwelling spirit that happens when Paul corrects it with the completed baptism that Jesus was to baptize with in the name of Christ. Yes there would have been no need to re-baptize the full complete gospel which according to Paul does indeed include the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. He thought they had heard the complete gospel and had received the spirit through the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. Evidence being when you believed unto what were you baptized so Paul said that to believe means you have been baptized in Christ name that is the point I am trying to get you to see with this passage. Your understanding of verse 6 is a whole other study we must do to see what is being said here. Verse 6 is not for every believer but for the ones that the Apostles chose to grow the church they just planted so they can go forth and plant more churches. The laying on of hands is not the indwelling spirit but the gifts of conformation it is not promised to all the indwelling spirit given through the baptism in Christ name in verse 5 is the promise to each and every individual.

A handful of verses that "on the surface" merely appear to teach that we are saved by water baptism do not negate numerous passages of scripture which make it clear that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43-47; 11:17; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 15:1-4; Galatians 3:2; 3:26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..). "Repentance precedes belief/faith so its already implied or assumed.

"merely appear to teach that we are saved by water baptism" this is your problem you have bought into a false doctrine so deep you have to say that they only seem to say but in reality that is exactly what they do say and have backing scriptures to prove the validity of them but we just refuse to accept the truth of them because we convinced ourselves that they cant be true because it contradicts our view so instead of correcting out view to accept what they teach we correct the scripture to fit our view.

"do not negate numerous passages of scripture which make it clear that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications."" This is where you stumble because the ones that you say we try to negate is wrong it fits in it you that are trying to get rid of the passages that do not fit we have no problem with them we read that one needs to hear the gospel and believe the gospel and repent of our sin and be baptized in Christ for the remission of our sin so as to receive the promised indwelling spirit we harmonize all the passages and not throw any aside.

"Repentance precedes belief/faith so its already implied or assumed." You have that backwards belief comes before repentance otherwise how would one now they need to repent if they have not heard the gospel. This may be why you got this all wrong Biblical order is believe repent and be baptized in Christ name your rejection of that biblical fact is getting you confused.

Water baptism is the picture and Spirit baptism is the reality. 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. This is not water baptism, but Spirit baptism.

water baptism is the baptism in Christ name and the only one we are commanded to be baptized with it is the only one the Apostles were commissioned to administer. It is the spirit baptism that Jesus was to baptize with. It is the baptism in which we are baptized into his death see Romans 6:3ff You really are getting the spirit upon and the spirit within mixed up. They are not the same thing the spirit upon is never promised to all and was never given to all but the spirit within is promised to all and every individual that obeys the gospel of Christ is given the indwelling spirit. Until we can distinguish between the two we will always have trouble understanding baptism.


Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. The gospel of truth was first preached in Acts 2 and everywhere thereafter and it included the baptism in Christ name go back and read it. Peter and Paul preached the same gospel to all for God is not a respecter of person but all are called by the same gospel whether they be Jew or gentile.

Believers are water baptized into Christ in the same sense that the Israelites were baptized into Moses (1 Corinthians 10:2) and there is little dispute that being "baptized into Moses" signified the open allegiance and public identification of the Israelites with Moses as their leader. Moses was formally recognized as the leader of the covenant people. Water baptism signifies our allegiance and public identification with Christ as our Savior, so it would only be in that sense.

Water baptism is an adoption more or less it is what joins us into the new covenant Christ has made with us.

In regard to Acts 22:16, as Greek scholar AT Robertson points out - baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ. The language in Acts 22:16 is similar to the statement of Christ when He took the bread and said, "This is my body" (Matthew 26:26). The bread was only the emblem of His body. Baptism is the emblem of the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ. Every time a believer is immersed, he washes away his sins in the same sense Paul did: not literally, but ceremonially, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

This is your problem stop reading men's view and get back to reading God's word. Yes baptism in Christ name is the means God chose to wash away the sins by the blood of Christ as we read in Romans 6 but it is not an every time deal but an once in a lifetime deal. It is the real deal just like Romans 6 says it is .

Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences.

My bible reads it is a work God does in transforming us to dead from sin to alive in Christ. It is in this act of water baptism that he said he would do it just as it was in an act of water that he chose to cleanse Naaham. Yes God could do it without the act of baptism in water in Christ name but he chose to do it that way and it is up to us to trust in his words and submit to his plan or reject it and find our own means which is no means but us deceiving our

 

[mailmandan]

Godslittleservant said:
I do not recall reversing the scripture order of repent and believe. I teach one has to believe to repent and be baptized in Christ name. I say that without belief it matters not what else you do if you do not believe the gospel of Christ. Once you hear and believe then it convicts your heart into repentance and being baptized in Christ name so as to receive the indwelling spirit. Where we differ is you try to tell me that one repents for the forgiveness of sin but that is contrary to the word the word says one is baptized in Christ name for the remission of sin. I will give you that repent and being baptized can happen at the same time resulting is the remission of sin but from the scriptural view point it is the baptism in Christ name that God chose to remit sin it says it to many places not to accept that tidbit of fact.

In the church of Christ, the 4-step plan of salvation goes like this: 1. Believe 2. Repent 3. Confess 4. Be baptized. Then after all 4 steps are accomplished in that order and ONLY after they are all accomplished, you are saved according to the church of Christ. How do you define "believe the gospel?" I define it as place your faith (belief, trust, reliance) in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) I at one time had attended the church of Christ several years ago and they seem to believe that ALL belief is the same "except for the lack of good works" (they will even cite - even the demons believe and tremble - James 2:19) and they cannot seem to understand that there is a deeper, more substantive aspect of faith which is believing/trusting exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation, and cannot distinguish between mere "intellectual belief or assent" from a personal faith that is trusting in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. This also explains why people in the church of Christ have so much faith in "water and works" and do not trust in Jesus Christ "alone" for salvation. For them repentance is basically defined as moral self-reformation.

Here we agree somewhat yes in verse 2 they were not correctly baptized thus they were still in their sins and have not received the indwelling spirit that happens when Paul corrects it with the completed baptism that Jesus was to baptize with in the name of Christ. Yes there would have been no need to re-baptize the full complete gospel which according to Paul does indeed include the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. He thought they had heard the complete gospel and had received the spirit through the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. Evidence being when you believed unto what were you baptized so Paul said that to believe means you have been baptized in Christ name that is the point I am trying to get you to see with this passage.

Being water baptized in Jesus' name was not the missing link to the gospel here. Believing on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus was the complete full gospel. (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31) Receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit precedes water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) The exception to the rule were isolated cases in which the laying on of hands by the apostles was necessary (with a reason behind it, especially with the Samaritans in Acts 8) before receiving the Holy Spirit, as we see in Acts 8:16-17 and Acts 19:5-6.

Your understanding of verse 6 is a whole other study we must do to see what is being said here. Verse 6 is not for every believer but for the ones that the Apostles chose to grow the church they just planted so they can go forth and plant more churches. The laying on of hands is not the indwelling spirit but the gifts of conformation it is not promised to all the indwelling spirit given through the baptism in Christ name in verse 5 is the promise to each and every individual.

These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Jesus unto salvation then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is the exception, not the rule in every case of conversion, as in Acts 2 and Acts 10). In addition to receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit, they received the spiritual gift of tongues and prophecy. (1 Corinthians 12:10) Not all believers receive the same spiritual gifts. 1 Corinthians 12:29 - Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? The answer to this rhetorical question is NO.

"merely appear to teach that we are saved by water baptism" this is your problem you have bought into a false doctrine so deep you have to say that they only seem to say but in reality that is exactly what they do say and have backing scriptures to prove the validity of them but we just refuse to accept the truth of them because we convinced ourselves that they cant be true because it contradicts our view so instead of correcting out view to accept what they teach we correct the scripture to fit our view.

Salvation by water baptism contradicts multiple passages of scripture which make it clear we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" as I already pointed out in post #13. Show me where the Bible says we are saved by faith and baptism or that we are justified by baptism or whoever is not baptized will not be saved. I'll be waiting. After attending the church of Christ several years ago, I could see firsthand how heavily indoctrinated many of their members are. They are tough nuts to crack!

"do not negate numerous passages of scripture which make it clear that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications."" This is where you stumble because the ones that you say we try to negate is wrong it fits in it you that are trying to get rid of the passages that do not fit we have no problem with them we read that one needs to hear the gospel and believe the gospel and repent of our sin and be baptized in Christ for the remission of our sin so as to receive the promised indwelling spirit we harmonize all the passages and not throw any aside.

I don't throw away passages of scripture. I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

You have that backwards belief comes before repentance otherwise how would one now they need to repent if they have not heard the gospel.

Mental assent belief comes before repentance and repentance precedes saving belief in Christ. Prior to repenting (changing our mind) and choosing to believe the gospel we believe that Jesus exists, that He is the Son of God and that His death, burial and resurrection "happened." After we repent (change our mind) we now by faith trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. That is what it means to believe the gospel.

CONTINUED...

 

[mailmandan]

Godslittleservant said:
This may be why you got this all wrong Biblical order is believe repent and be baptized in Christ name your rejection of that biblical fact is getting you confused.

Just the opposite and since you believe that ALL belief is the same "except for the lack of good works" and you cannot seem to grasp a deeper, more substantive aspect of faith which is believing/trusting exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation, you instead, place your faith in water baptism + other works for salvation. I understand your confusion. Been there, done that. I was born and raised in the Roman Catholic church, then temporarily attended the church of Christ before my conversion.

Mathew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. *Notice the order.

Mark 1:15 - And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel. *Notice the order.

Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. *Notice the order.

water baptism is the baptism in Christ name and the only one we are commanded to be baptized with it is the only one the Apostles were commissioned to administer. It is the spirit baptism that Jesus was to baptize with. It is the baptism in which we are baptized into his death see Romans 6:3ff You really are getting the spirit upon and the spirit within mixed up.

Water baptism in Jesus' name means by the authority of Jesus and does not negate what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19. Spirit baptism is the reality and water baptism is the picture of the reality. Its church of Christ folks who get Spirit baptism and water baptism mixed up.

They are not the same thing the spirit upon is never promised to all and was never given to all but the spirit within is promised to all and every individual that obeys the gospel of Christ is given the indwelling spirit. Until we can distinguish between the two we will always have trouble understanding baptism.

I clearly understand the distinction between Spirit baptism and water baptism. We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. The gospel of truth was first preached in Acts 2 and everywhere thereafter and it included the baptism in Christ name go back and read it. Peter and Paul preached the same gospel to all for God is not a respecter of person but all are called by the same gospel whether they be Jew or gentile.

Acts 10:43-47 and Ephesians 1:13 do not harmonize with your biased interpretation of Acts 2:38. Something has to give.

Water baptism is an adoption more or less it is what joins us into the new covenant Christ has made with us.

Water baptism is the picture but not the reality.

This is your problem stop reading men's view and get back to reading God's word.

Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another. I read God's word and properly harmonized scripture with scripture.

Yes baptism in Christ name is the means God chose to wash away the sins by the blood of Christ as we read in Romans 6 but it is not an every time deal but an once in a lifetime deal. It is the real deal just like Romans 6 says it is .

False. Until you can make the distinction between the reality (Spirit baptism) and the picture of the reality (water baptism) you will remain indoctrinated and misinformed.

My bible reads it is a work God does in transforming us to dead from sin to alive in Christ. It is in this act of water baptism that he said he would do it just as it was in an act of water that he chose to cleanse Naaham. Yes God could do it without the act of baptism in water in Christ name but he chose to do it that way and it is up to us to trust in his words and submit to his plan or reject it and find our own means which is no means but us deceiving our

Paul clearly teaches that what is signified in baptism (buried and raised with Christ) actually occurs "through faith." Christians are "buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead." (Colossians 2:12) Justification on account of union in Christ's death, burial and resurrection is brought about "through faith" - and is properly symbolized by dipping the new believer in and out of the water.

Naaman was not even a believer until after dipping in Jordan. He said "NOW" (after being healed) I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," (2 Kings 5:15) and vowed to worship only Him (vs. 17). If we follow this "example," we will have to baptize unbelievers! Naaman received cleansing from leprosy (not eternal life) after he dipped in the Jordan 7 times, but no sins were literally remitted for Naaman in Jordan. Likewise, water baptism does not literally remit sins.

If being healed from leprosy is an illustration of salvation, we have another case that reveals one can be saved without any water. Read it in (Luke 5:12-15). No water is found here.

 

[Robert Pate]

Book chapter and verse professor show me book chapter and verse where the bible says this

Common sense tells me this. You apparently believe that you can save yourself by getting baptized.

 

[Godslittleservant]

I think you are missing the point of "Believing on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus". Yes it is on Christ Jesus but it was talking about the baptism that he would baptize with so yes you are to believe on that baptism in his name as seen in all conversions in Acts.
Being water baptized in Jesus' name was not the missing link to the gospel here. Believing on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus was the complete full gospel. (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31) Receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit precedes water baptism.
As Mark 1:1 stated the gospel of Christ starts with God sending John the baptist with a message to lead the way to his complete plan of salvation and Johns message given him was repent and be baptized for the remission of sins pointing to what Jesus was to baptize with which was repent and be baptized in the name of Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the holy ghost.

The difference in the two was Johns could not give the gift of the holy ghost because Christ had not gone to the cross yet only the baptism that he was to baptize with the one in his name could give the gift of the holy ghost. Scripture says that you reject it. The complete gospel was first preached in Acts 2 after Christ had been to the cross.The baptism in the name of Christ was first preached there and from that point on.Every conversion tells they were baptized it seems to be important to them and why is recorded we just deny the recorded reason because it does not fit our itchy ear syndrome.

Receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit precedes water baptism.

This is untrue
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
According to scripture not man the spirit is given through the baptism in the name of Christ so I will take scripture over man any day thank you.

(Acts 10:43-47) The exception to the rule were isolated cases in which the laying on of hands by the apostles was necessary (with a reason behind it, especially with the Samaritans in Acts 8) before receiving the Holy Spirit, as we see in Acts 8:16-17 and Acts 19:5-6.

I posted the scriptures so we can see what they say

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Verse 43 Peter is preaching to them the same gospel he preached in Acts 2
verse 44 while he was still preaching the gospel the spirit came upon them why? it tells you why in verse 45
verse 45 for they of the circumcision which believed WERE ASTONISHED as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. See this was not the normal it was the only time since Pentecost that this had happen in this manner. The spirit was poured out on the gentile just as on the Jews as was prophesied by Joel. This is not the giving of the indwelling spirit as you say but was the put pouring of the spirit on the gentiles just as was prophesied. It was to show the Jews that could never believe the gentile were to be part of the church as said they were astonished. That is why Peter told them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so as they could receive the indwelling spirit that is promised to all every individual as he first preached in Acts 2 and every where there after.

"which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we" is pointing back to the day of Pentecost in which the spirit was poured out on the Jews not every individual but only on the Apostles. The rest of the times that the power was given was by the laying on of the Apostles hand it was not direct from from God as the out pouring but by the hands of the Apostles and was not for every individual but only select few that the Apostles would lay hands on so that discredits your view of it being the giving of the indwelling spirit which is promised to every individual.

 

[Godslittleservant]

These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Jesus unto salvation then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is the exception, not the rule in every case of conversion, as in Acts 2 and Acts 10). In addition to receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit, they received the spiritual gift of tongues and prophecy. (1 Corinthians 12:10) Not all believers receive the same spiritual gifts. 1 Corinthians 12:29 - Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? The answer to this rhetorical question is NO.

See here you have really missed the point the scriptures are pointing out. They did not receive the indwelling spirit after Paul laid hands on them it was before just as Paul is trying to get you to understand it was in the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. That is why he asked what was they baptized into. Johns baptism could never give the indwelling spirit that is the point you will not accept Paul telling you it is only in the baptism in the name of Christ that the indwelling spirit is given that is why Paul baptized them in the name of Jesus Christ. It is how Paul says the indwelling spirit is given it is the promise to every individual not like the gift given by the laying on of hands it is for witnessing and only given to a select few not every individual gets the laying on of hands.The scripture only talks of a few that got that and it was to grow the church no to give the indwelling spirit Paul dealt with that in verses 1-5

You can only point to a few verses where the hands were laid on a few it is not the norm. Other scripture teach what the hands were laid on for and it is not the giving of the indwelling spirit or the practice would be in play today and it is not cause that is not the way the indwelling spirit is given according to scripture.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

This is not what the scripture teach no where do I read repent for the remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the holy spirit

Here is what the passage says
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Here is the way you read it
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You completely take out and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ see you take out part of the verse to make it say what you want to believe but you are only deceiving yourself it does not change what God had recorded

Then you want me to believe what you are spewing as the truth in Gods word I think I will stick with scripture but thanks for the enlightening

 

[Godslittleservant]

I clearly understand the distinction between Spirit baptism and water baptism.

Please explain it to me

 

[BlessedPeace]

I don't think it is as complex as some make out. This and any subject,the answer is clear. What did Jesus say?

 

[Godslittleservant]

Common sense tells me this. You apparently believe that you can save yourself by getting baptized.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself." 40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!" 41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. 42 They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

Just agreeing with what scripture teaches common sense tells me I should trust and obey for there's no other way

 

[BlessedPeace]

Common sense tells me this. You apparently believe that you can save yourself by getting baptized.

You apparently believe Baptism is meaningless.

 

[mailmandan]

I think you are missing the point of "Believing on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus". Yes it is on Christ Jesus but it was talking about the baptism that he would baptize with so yes you are to believe on that baptism in his name as seen in all conversions in Acts.

Believing on Him (Jesus) means we are believing on/in Him (trusting in Him) alone for salvation. You just demonstrated that you believe on/in your baptism for salvation and don't believe on/in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. In John 3:36, we read - He that believes on/in the Son has life eternal life.. Notice that this belief is not in yourself, getting water baptized or in any other type of good work. Notice that it's not in Jesus Christ "plus something else" otherwise the belief (trust, reliance) would not be ON/IN THE SON.

Being water baptized in Jesus' name was not the missing link to the gospel here.

Yes, not the missing link. Water baptism is not even a part of the gospel. (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4)

Believing on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus was the complete full gospel. (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31)

Believing on Him/trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (apart from works) is the complete full gospel. (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 4:5-6; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 15:1-4 etc..). Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-38)

Receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit precedes water baptism.

False. Acts 10:47 - “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

As Mark 1:1 stated the gospel of Christ starts with God sending John the baptist with a message to lead the way to his complete plan of salvation and Johns message given him was repent and be baptized for the remission of sins pointing to what Jesus was to baptize with which was repent and be baptized in the name of Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the holy ghost.

There is a difference between the full content of the gospel that Paul received by revelation of Jesus Christ (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:11-12) and everything that is written in the 4 gospel accounts: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. In regard to John's baptism in Mark 1:4, was this baptism of repentance for "in order to obtain" remission of sins or was it for "in regard to/on the basis of" the forgiveness of sins received upon repentance? John's baptism took place BEFORE Pentecost. I know about your thief on the cross being baptized under the OT mandate argument used to "get around" the thief on the cross being saved by faith apart from water baptism.

Also, in Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water "for" repentance.. *Now was this baptism for "in order to obtain" repentance? OR was this baptism for "in regard to/on the basis of" repentance? Getting water baptized in order to obtain repentance makes no sense at all. Repentance precedes water baptism. This was also BEFORE Pentecost. Whatever baptism is "for" in Acts 2:38, it's "for" in Mark 1:4 and Luke 3:3 - "in regard to" remission of sins received upon repentance. So, the water baptism is not necessary for salvation under the Old Testament mandate but is necessary for salvation under the New Testament mandate argument doesn't hold water.

The difference in the two was Johns could not give the gift of the holy ghost because Christ had not gone to the cross yet only the baptism that he was to baptize with the one in his name could give the gift of the holy ghost. Scripture says that you reject it. The complete gospel was first preached in Acts 2 after Christ had been to the cross.The baptism in the name of Christ was first preached there and from that point on. Every conversion tells they were baptized it seems to be important to them and why is recorded we just deny the recorded reason because it does not fit our itchy ear syndrome.

I understand that the gift of the Holy Spirit was not yet given prior to Jesus going to the cross. John 7:38 - He who believes in Me, (what happened to baptism?) as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Your itching ears only hear what your biased church doctrine says about your pet verse Acts 2:38. You continue to ignore Acts 10:43-47 along with multiple other passages of scripture which make it crystal clear that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-9, 26; Ephesians 2:8.9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

This is untrue
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
According to scripture not man the spirit is given through the baptism in the name of Christ so I will take scripture over man any day thank you.

Your church of Christ indoctrination runs deep.

I posted the scriptures so we can see what they say

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Verse 43 Peter is preaching to them the same gospel he preached in Acts 2
verse 44 while he was still preaching the gospel the spirit came upon them why? it tells you why in verse 45
verse 45 for they of the circumcision which believed WERE ASTONISHED as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. See this was not the normal it was the only time since Pentecost that this had happen in this manner. The spirit was poured out on the gentile just as on the Jews as was prophesied by Joel. This is not the giving of the indwelling spirit as you say but was the put pouring of the spirit on the gentiles just as was prophesied. It was to show the Jews that could never believe the gentile were to be part of the church as said they were astonished. That is why Peter told them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so as they could receive the indwelling spirit that is promised to all every individual as he first preached in Acts 2 and every where there after.

"which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we" is pointing back to the day of Pentecost in which the spirit was poured out on the Jews not every individual but only on the Apostles. The rest of the times that the power was given was by the laying on of the Apostles hand it was not direct from from God as the out pouring but by the hands of the Apostles and was not for every individual but only select few that the Apostles would lay hands on so that discredits your view of it being the giving of the indwelling spirit which is promised to every individual.

For the upteenth time, in Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

 

[mailmandan]

See here you have really missed the point the scriptures are pointing out. They did not receive the indwelling spirit after Paul laid hands on them it was before just as Paul is trying to get you to understand it was in the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. That is why he asked what was they baptized into. Johns baptism could never give the indwelling spirit that is the point you will not accept Paul telling you it is only in the baptism in the name of Christ that the indwelling spirit is given that is why Paul baptized them in the name of Jesus Christ. It is how Paul says the indwelling spirit is given it is the promise to every individual not like the gift given by the laying on of hands it is for witnessing and only given to a select few not every individual gets the laying on of hands.The scripture only talks of a few that got that and it was to grow the church no to give the indwelling spirit Paul dealt with that in verses 1-5

You can only point to a few verses where the hands were laid on a few it is not the norm. Other scripture teach what the hands were laid on for and it is not the giving of the indwelling spirit or the practice would be in play today and it is not cause that is not the way the indwelling spirit is given according to scripture.

Like I said before, the laying on of hands prior to receiving the Holy Spirit in scripture is the exception and not the rule. Water baptism is neither the direct cause of receiving the Holy Spirit or the means by which we are saved. These Gentiles received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit when they believed on Him (Jesus) prior to receiving water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) In Acts 19:4-5, we read - Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” (Notice that Paul said, believe in Jesus and not in your baptism) On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. The delay of receiving the Holy Spirit until Paul placed his hands on them was the exception, not the rule.

 

[mailmandan]

This is not what the scripture teach no where do I read repent for the remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the holy spirit

That is what scripture teaches. Scripture must harmonize with scripture or else we have a contradiction.

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

Here is what the passage says
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Here is the way you read it
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You completely take out and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ see you take out part of the verse to make it say what you want to believe but you are only deceiving yourself it does not change what God had recorded

Then you want me to believe what you are spewing as the truth in Gods word I think I will stick with scripture but thanks for the enlightening

As Greek scholar AT Robertson stated: Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” (εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου Χριστου — en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou).

Greek scholar A. T. Robertson authored Word Pictures in the New Testament. In his comments on Acts 2:38 he said, - “One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. "My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.” The illustrations of both usages are numerous in the N.T. and the Koin, generally (Robertson, Grammar, page 592).

Acts 2 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Greek scholar E Calvin Beisner said something similar - In short, the most precise English translation of the relevant clauses, arranging them to reflect the switches in person and number of the verbs, would be, “You (plural) repent for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins, and let each one (singular) of you be baptized (singular)….” Or, to adopt our Southern dialect again, “Y’all repent for the forgiveness of y’all’s sins, and let each one of you be baptized….”

When I showed this translation to the late Julius Mantey, one of the foremost Greek grammarians of the twentieth century and co-author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (originally published in 1927), he approved and even signed his name next to it in the margin of my Greek New Testament. These arguments, lexical and grammatical, stand independently. Even if one rejects both lexical meanings of for, he still must face the grammatical argument, and even if he rejects the grammatical conclusion, he still must face the lexical argument. Does Acts 2:38 prove baptismal remission? No, it doesn’t even support it as part of a cumulative case. — E. Calvin Beisner

http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAA238.pdf

Greek scholar Daniel Wallace explains in Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: It is possible that to a first-century Jewish audience (as well as to Peter), the idea of baptism might incorporate both the spiritual reality and the physical symbol (although only the reality remits sins). In other words, when one spoke of baptism, he usually meant both ideas—the reality and the ritual. Peter is shown to make the strong connection between these two in chapters 10 and 11. In 11:15-16 he recounts the conversion of Cornelius and friends, pointing out that at the point of their conversion they were baptized by the Holy Spirit. After he had seen this, he declared, “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit…” (10:47). The point seems to be that if they have had the internal testimony of the Holy Spirit via spiritual baptism, there ought to be a public testimony/acknowledgment via water baptism as well. This may not only explain Acts 2:38 (that Peter spoke of both reality and picture, though only the reality removes sins), but also why the NT speaks of only baptized believers (as far as we can tell): Water baptism is not a cause of salvation, but a picture; and as such it serves both as a public acknowledgment (by those present) and a public confession (by the convert) that one has been Spirit baptized.

Oneness Pentecostals believe the work of Baptism saves

 

[Godslittleservant]

That is what scripture teaches. Scripture must harmonize with scripture or else we have a contradiction.

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.


As Greek scholar AT Robertson stated: Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” (εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου Χριστου — en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou).

Greek scholar A. T. Robertson authored Word Pictures in the New Testament. In his comments on Acts 2:38 he said, - “One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. "My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.” The illustrations of both usages are numerous in the N.T. and the Koin, generally (Robertson, Grammar, page 592).

Acts 2 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Greek scholar E Calvin Beisner said something similar - In short, the most precise English translation of the relevant clauses, arranging them to reflect the switches in person and number of the verbs, would be, “You (plural) repent for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins, and let each one (singular) of you be baptized (singular)….” Or, to adopt our Southern dialect again, “Y’all repent for the forgiveness of y’all’s sins, and let each one of you be baptized….”

When I showed this translation to the late Julius Mantey, one of the foremost Greek grammarians of the twentieth century and co-author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (originally published in 1927), he approved and even signed his name next to it in the margin of my Greek New Testament. These arguments, lexical and grammatical, stand independently. Even if one rejects both lexical meanings of for, he still must face the grammatical argument, and even if he rejects the grammatical conclusion, he still must face the lexical argument. Does Acts 2:38 prove baptismal remission? No, it doesn’t even support it as part of a cumulative case. — E. Calvin Beisner

http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAA238.pdf

Greek scholar Daniel Wallace explains in Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: It is possible that to a first-century Jewish audience (as well as to Peter), the idea of baptism might incorporate both the spiritual reality and the physical symbol (although only the reality remits sins). In other words, when one spoke of baptism, he usually meant both ideas—the reality and the ritual. Peter is shown to make the strong connection between these two in chapters 10 and 11. In 11:15-16 he recounts the conversion of Cornelius and friends, pointing out that at the point of their conversion they were baptized by the Holy Spirit. After he had seen this, he declared, “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit…” (10:47). The point seems to be that if they have had the internal testimony of the Holy Spirit via spiritual baptism, there ought to be a public testimony/acknowledgment via water baptism as well. This may not only explain Acts 2:38 (that Peter spoke of both reality and picture, though only the reality removes sins), but also why the NT speaks of only baptized Every (as far as we can tell): Water baptism is not a cause of salvation, but a picture; and as such it serves both as a public acknowledgment (by those present) and a public confession (by the convert) that one has been Spirit baptized.

Oneness Pentecostals believe the work of Baptism saves

Every bodies Greek scholar has a different view don't they so like I said which ever one tickles your itching ear I prefer to stick with what God said it does not take pages of Greek scholars to explain it God speaks clearly.