PETER AND PAUL AND THE NAME

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Show him the Imperatives as recorded in Paul's letters brother.

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They all believed and taught the truth . Peter and paul , and the others all preached
the imperative of beliving JESUS is CHRIST , the death burial and ressurection
and to be doers and not hearers only . is that what you mean by imperatives .
 
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Christ gave you and and everyone who believe and Obey him everything, He gave us the commandments and told us what to do to inherit the Kingdom and eternal life not Paul. Jesus paid for by his own Blood the penalty of sin.
I am confused after reading your post on the kingdom.....in your post you said the kingdom will be given to the remnant of Israel......in your statement above you are saying we will inherit it
Please explain
 

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What are these commandments of Paul Show me!
The commandments given to Paul are throughout all of his epistles.....here are some examples

[Rom 15:2 KJV] 2 Let every one of us please [his] neighbour for [his] good to edification.

[1Co 1:10 KJV] 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

[1Co 7:2 KJV] 2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

[1Co 7:10 KJV] 10 And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:

[Eph 5:1 KJV] 1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

[Col 3:8-9 KJV] 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

[Eph 4:28 KJV] 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

[Gal 5:16, 18-20 KJV] 16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. ... 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
 

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Why do you follow Paul and NOT Jesus like you should? is it because it is much easier? I would like to know.
I learn from Jesus in the four epistles that he is Christ the Spn of God....He shed his blood for the new testament etc.....but I dont preach the gospel of the kingdom
I acknowledge that Paul is a chosen vessel of Christ and our apostle
By following Paul I follow Jesus
 

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The commandments given to Paul are throughout all of his epistles.....here are some examples

[Rom 15:2 KJV] 2 Let every one of us please [his] neighbour for [his] good to edification.

[1Co 1:10 KJV] 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

[1Co 7:2 KJV] 2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

[1Co 7:10 KJV] 10 And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:

[Eph 5:1 KJV] 1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

[Col 3:8-9 KJV] 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

[Eph 4:28 KJV] 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

[Gal 5:16, 18-20 KJV] 16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. ... 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
these are not commandments when people talk about the commandments in the bible it always refer to the 10 commandments. what paul says here is a part of the 10 commandments, do not forget Paul said the commandments are just and good.

Paul is very confusing so many people get lost in these texts.
 

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I learn from Jesus in the four epistles that he is Christ the Spn of God....He shed his blood for the new testament etc.....but I dont preach the gospel of the kingdom
I acknowledge that Paul is a chosen vessel of Christ and our apostle
By following Paul I follow Jesus
Not so, if you follow Paul you do NOT follow Jesus that is certain. it is why Paul refers to his gospel as "MY GOSPEL" it is not the same as the Gospel of Jesus that was to preach the Kingdom of Heaven and REPENTANCE from sin.
 

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I am confused after reading your post on the kingdom.....in your post you said the kingdom will be given to the remnant of Israel......in your statement above you are saying we will inherit it
Please explain
the Kingdom of heaven on Jesus return will be opened to ALL who do God's will not only Israel. GOD made a promise to Israel and will call back from all the world the lost tribes if Israel to the promised land, these have lost their identity over the centuries but God knows where they are, this kingdom is refereed as the millennium Kingdom and will last 1000 years according to the book of revelations, after that time Satan will be released for s short time and will be vanquished by Jesus and His celestial army. after that the last permanent kingdom will be established, in this one, GOD the father himself will be in this Kingdom, this is all in the book of revelations.

see revelations chapter 20 and 21.

Blessings
 

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these are not commandments when people talk about the commandments in the bible it always refer to the 10 commandments. what paul says here is a part of the 10 commandments, do not forget Paul said the commandments are just and good.

Paul is very confusing so many people get lost in these texts.
[Lev 26:46 KJV] 46 These [are] the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
Not just the ten
 

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listen GOD gave us the Commandments,
Just had a thought
You say we have the commandments but we do not have to keep sabbath
[Col 2:16 KJV] 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
The sabbath was for Israel
 

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[Lev 26:46 KJV] 46 These [are] the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
Not just the ten
Hello Doug, Paul is right to state that these statutes, judgments are no longer applicable. if you read carefully, it is written BY THE HAND OF MOSES. the commandments were written By the finger of God In person!
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.



Here is why Moses added to the commandments and placed them outside of the ark ;
Deu 31:26 “Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, so that it may remain there as a witness against you."

Deu 31:27 For I know how rebellious and stiff-necked you are. If you are already rebelling against the LORD while I am still alive, how much more will you rebel after my death!

Now here is why the rest of the law written by Moses was placed next to the ark as a witness against israel who were stiffed necked and rebellious and disobeyed God constantly.

Every verse Paul expresses the law is nailed to the cross or something similar he is referencing these laws written by Moses! and have nothing to do with the 10 Commandments.

In Romans 7:7 Paul acknowledges the role of the commandments in revealing sin.
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, 'You shall not covet.'"

Not many people understand this, it took me time also to see this.

Blessings.
 

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What is God's will to enter?
Is the kingdom being offered now?
God's will is to obey Him when I say God here I also Mean Jesus as they are ONE see john chap 17. where Jesus explains he is one with God.

The thing GoD wants obedience to are the 1O commandments Jesus summarized them by writing;
"Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.'"
(Matthew 22:37-40, NKJV)

The Kingdom of heaven was here a brief moment when Jesus was here on earth, he was the Manifestation of It, It is explained to us the believers it is growing in the hearts of the believers but is is not yet the time for the full kingdom(s) but soon. We have the believers this rare opportunity to reign with Christ when he returns as he promised. a Bit earlier i wrote to you i think about Jesus being the shepherd this is very important to understand this fully. Hear Jesus voice and let him guide you, He will help you understand he promised;

Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; ( The Holy Spirit)
Jhn 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jhn 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Jhn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

As for access to the kingdom NOW I will say not quite but soon. From the verses above, Jesus made it clear to keep the commandments, I also urge you to keep them. they are your invitation to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Blessings
 

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Just had a thought
You say we have the commandments but we do not have to keep sabbath
[Col 2:16 KJV] 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
The sabbath was for Israel
to me we have to keep the sabbath it is not me who said we should not keep. the 10 Commandments come as a group written by GOD they will never change. the sabbath of the 10 commandments is a weekly sabbath of rest and time for us to reflect on GOD and his wisdom , also an opportunity to learn and study scripture.

Exodus 20:8-11 (NKJV):

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

Here Paul refers to sabbath(S) plural many sabbaths were addes by Moses for the israelites;
Here’s the list ; can you imagine how quickly these become a burden for Gentiles? I can! here is a long list of other sabbath from the bible these we do not need to keep;

  • Sabbath Year (Every 7th Year)
    • Verse: Leviticus 25:1-7
  • Year of Jubilee (50th Year)
    • Verse: Leviticus 25:8-17
  • Passover Sabbath (First Day of Unleavened Bread)
    • Verse: Leviticus 23:6-8
  • Feast of Firstfruits (Day After the Passover Sabbath)
    • Verse: Leviticus 23:9-14
  • Feast of Weeks (Pentecost, 50 days after Passover Sabbath)
    • Verse: Leviticus 23:15-21
  • Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah)
    • Verse: Leviticus 23:23-25
  • Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur)
    • Verse: Leviticus 23:26-32
  • Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot)
    • Verse: Leviticus 23:33-44
  • Eighth Day of Assembly (After the Feast of Tabernacles)
    • Verse: Leviticus 23:36
  • Sabbath of the Land (Every 7th Year)
    • Verse: Leviticus 25:1-7

However the 7 day sabbath is for jew and Gentiles, everyone! also it is a test of obedience! dont believe me? read below;

In Exodus 16:23-30, God tested the Israelites regarding their obedience to the Sabbath and their trust in His provision. God instructed Moses to tell the people, "Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning."
The Israelites obeyed, and when they kept the manna overnight, it did not spoil or have worms, as it had previously done when kept for more than one day.


Moses then told them to eat the manna they had kept for that day, reminding them that it was a sabbath to the Lord, and there would be no manna found in the field the following day.
For six days, the people were to gather the manna, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, no manna would be provided. However, some people went out on the seventh day to gather more, but they found none. The Lord spoke to Moses, asking, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?" God explained that He had given them the Sabbath and had provided extra manna on the sixth day to cover for the seventh. He commanded them to stay in their places and not go out on the Sabbath. As a result, the people rested on the seventh day, learning to trust God and follow His commands regarding the Sabbath.

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Not so, if you follow Paul you do NOT follow Jesus that is certain. it is why Paul refers to his gospel as "MY GOSPEL" it is not the same as the Gospel of Jesus that was to preach the Kingdom of Heaven and REPENTANCE from sin.
[Act 13:46 KJV] 46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Israel rejected the kingdom.....the gospel of the kingdom as been postponed.
 

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[Act 13:46 KJV] 46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Israel rejected the kingdom.....the gospel of the kingdom as been postponed.
Hi Doug, First you make yourself the judge of Israel, the Jews in power rejected Jesus not all of them. Jesus came to preach the Kingdom and repentance. the Kingdom was from that time when jesus preached for a later time but the gospel was to be preached to all the world.

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mrk 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mrk 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel

The word Gospel means Good news, Jesus was preaching the Kingdom of Heaven, that was the core of his message, how to get there.
 

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Hi Doug, First you make yourself the judge of Israel, the Jews in power rejected Jesus not all of them.
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I was saying by rejecting Christ the nation of Israel fell..........[Rom 11:11 KJV] 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
 
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